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legendary
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Does instant messaging over Lightning have killer application potential? The world needs censorship-resistant chatting and with Lightning, compensating the network for message relay comes naturally.
https://twitter.com/joostjgr/status/1190714028626251779
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End-to-end encrypted, onion-routed, censorship-resistant, peer-to-peer instant messaging over Lightning
https://github.com/joostjager/whatsat
mother of fuck that's clever

Clever? What? Data on the not-quite-a-blockchain? Tell me it ain't so!
legendary
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Okay Gramps, I took the bait.

Edit : thank you now looks okay
legendary
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edit: I fucked the quotes below up, and in my drunken stupor, don't see a way to fix it. Sorry. Hopefully it will all make sense in the morning.


Ai! Firenze! Largely acknowledged as the nursery of double-entry bookkeeping. And house of some of humanity's finest artworks. I spent a New Years Eve there - prolly before most all y'all been born.

Here's to triple-entry bookkeeping!
 (breaking) Opa!
legendary
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I posted this weeks ago!!!!!!!!

Hmm. Oct 31 is not exactly weeks ago, seeing as it is literally the following day, but let's go with your delusions of grandeur.

Apparently the maximum amount he could have possibly "lost" was less than 0.1 BTC (if he wasn't making up everything):
orly? the most any party could lose in any situation involving LN is 0.1 BTC? Tell me more.

Nevermind the absurdity of hitching your wagon to something incapable of paying a month's rent anywhere I might wanna live.

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Granted it was before breher overlooked it to claim it was a farce, but still,

WTF are you on about? Point to where I declared it "a farce". You can't, you greasy lying motherfucker.  I merely asked for evidence.
sr. member
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Hello WO Bulls, how are you ?

Did you decide yet if you are going to fund our Crypto Mania Spark that we intend to recreate?



I'll volunteer to handle escrow. No funds transferred to you until the target is met before the stated deadline. That sounds fair.

Krippletonium back again?
Not finished giving us the laughs?
This glass is empty, my friend  Roll Eyes
hero member
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
Hello WO Bulls, how are you ?

Did you decide yet if you are going to fund our Crypto Mania Spark that we intend to recreate?



I'll volunteer to handle escrow. No funds transferred to you until the target is met before the stated deadline. That sounds fair.

No Dabs, it does NOT sound fair.
I don't understand what's your position on this matter. You are trying to facilitate/help a team of scammers, scam us?
Do you have that little faith for your holdings?

These cocksuckers are trying to make the most of what is inevitably going to happen (BTC>moon), and we should pay them for that?
Personally it doesn't seem appropriate, watching you offer meaningless escrow. It should be crystal clear that their only intention is to scam.
legendary
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Addicted to HoDLing!


Guys, have you noticed that she looks like that Japanese fake Satoshi dude?
LOL!

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Is the Increasing US Debt A Stage Setter for Bitcoin? – A Realistic Take

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The United States national debt has now crossed $23 Trillion. Furthermore, debt per the United States citizen sums up to $69, 724. In a way, central banks are paving way for the smooth transition of Bitcoin into traditional finance.

While traditional finance enjoys the trust of the major US population, Bitcoin is here to stay. Considering the fact that Bitcoin and other crypto-assets are anti-inflationary and have a controlled supply, it is likely that in the future that Bitcoin continues to map the international market and eventually becomes a better bet than the inflated dollar.

https://coingape.com/increasing-us-debt-stage-setter-bitcoin-realistic-take/

Good morning WO,s take care of your Bitcoin.
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OK, i'd need some opinions on this prototype piece i experimentally fucked up, taking hours and days to take it this far.
Now i have got a last piece of ebony left, which will serve for the production blank, where all flaws of the protype should be eradicated.
This will serve the purpose of being a card protector for future texas hold'em games.





Looks very interesting. Is this carved in ebony by machine (CNC or laser) or by hand?  
Is you're criticism that the logo is not centered on the wood?  Maybe run another try on the back side?

Carved with a cnc laser. It will be cut out circular and sanded, coated, sanded, polished. (short version).
The other side is the BTC logo. It's just not coated, but will be done on the final piece, where i also carve an outer circle as a guide for cutting.
I could cut it out beforehand, would be easier, but harder to center so that both sides match (one would be off by a few fractions of mm, but you would notice).
Uncoated looks good too, but misses the sparkle of the silver epoxy filling, but conserves the wooden appeal. Coated looks more like plastic.
It's my fifth piece in epoxy work, a test of murphy's law essentially, the only thing i got good experience with is the laser carving. Ebony is so hard, i need two passes of carving to make the grooves deep enough for filling.
A good friend of mine gets 50 yo next week, i make a similar chip for him with "50" instead iof "10" on walnut, this will probably be the last time i will do something like this again.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
not that i had not earned or mined,  Grin Grin
i had mostly lost them, in wallets, exchanges, trusting (so called) friends,

I registered here in February 2014, but I had gotten into bitcoin in late November 2013 (right at the peak of that particular exponential growth period).  You registered here about 9 months before me, and BTC prices were nearly 80% less expensive when i got started in BTC.

Actually, at that time (and before that), Money and I were interested in something else... something very stupid:



*this is about erepublik.com* Lips sealed

We were stacking bazookas instead of bitcoin.


You dumb fucks!!!!!!!!!


hahahahahaha  ... that is funny, Raja, if not ironic.

I did not even know about anything specifically related to bitcoin until November 2013 - except in November 2013, bitcoin was on my list of "things to look into" as of about September or October 2013, but I had not look into it at all until November.. go figure. Embarrassed
legendary
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Call me a skeptic, but seems a bit overly bearish to suggest that bitcoin is not going to break above old ATH until October 2024-ish.

Thats bullish not bearish, because 2024 is a fair way into the next decade and we are speculating that Bitcoin will be turning over doing well and we know the situation with FIAT is that they degrade vs the long term debt obligations made.    It will break that ATH and likely have the momentum to make a much higher one after that much time and settle after any profit taking above that previous ATH.
  It could also be taken as a positive as leaving a wider population of people multiple years to accumulate, get involved for the long term while noticing that BTC isnt going away making its longevity a continuing reason to hold it.    Achieving 20k by xmas on the other hand represents volatility and uncertainty because even if its a higher price it was massively unexpected by most, going that far that fast shows imbalance is there in an uncontrollable way almost.
  Far more people will drop BTC for a quick profit if its 20k by xmas or any short time, the alternatives will still be attractive and seemingly viable.   By 2024 with a strong BTC it will be in sharp contrast to people having lost alot of value in FIAT and there will be even less motivation to hold that certain ongoing loss.   I'll take the situation where BTC is a long term positive in the world for sure any day.

BTC is positive above 200 day average for the weekend but with maybe 9500 part of some triangle formation I dont think its moving much at the moment.


I stand by my earlier statement

Your further explanation sounds even more pie in the sky (as well as bearish) as if bitcoin is going to take some kind of slow and steady path.

If bitcoin takes a slow and steady path it is largely showing that people are not interested rather than inspiring confidence in its adoption.

The hype cycles in bitcoin might be a bit dramatic and traumatizing for peeps who don't know how to handle them, but in the end, they are both good for bitcoin and nearly inevitable in this kind of a free market that involves both  sound money and a paradigm shifting disruptive asset.
legendary
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Remember when the goal was to get 21BTC, which surely would put any of those folks who had been able to HODL onto that amount as being in a very decent position at $100k per coin, and now there are a lot of meme-ing around the random 6.15BTC goal, which seems to rely on BTC going much higher than $100k per coin in order to really be comfortable.

I guess that part of my point is that amount of BTC goals are going down and down and down.  Of course, we have those who are either with a mediocre budget or are just getting in striving to get to 1BTC and more.  There have surely been some of those folks participating in this thread.  At some point, we are going to have peeps aspiring to get 1 million satoshis... or whatever other reasonable amount becomes our new deflationary goalpost point.

Oh man, how I love this post!
Thanks JJG!

That's a moving target. I just looked at official inflation numbers and it is a woozy.
Basically, dollar lost about 50% in relative value since 30 years ago, therefore, to be "comfortable" in the future you need to take this into consideration, but it is very difficult to do since, historically, forward inflation values were not very predictable.

Even in 2015, there were some folks lingering and trying to reach three digit bitcoins, but it became much more reachable, even for regular people to attempt to accumulate 21 bitcoins... three digits became a bit out of reach.

Yet as BTC's price went up, and then failed to really come back down below $3k, and even only stayed below $4k for a few months, 21BTC became much more unreachable by regular people.

I think that now, we have people who are trying to get seriously into accumulation either shooting for 1 BTC or the 6.15 BTC. 

I hate to look through my old posts regarding myself personally, yet many times, I would take about accumulation goals in terms of what might be reasonable based on evolving prices.  Frequently, also I would talk about some kind of reasonable BTC buying budget in terms of dollars, and then of course that would convert into a quantity of BTC, even while only rarely does someone say, I have $12k to spend over 6 months or something like that.  $12k is a nice number because it is quite divisible and to be able to attempt to stay with round numbers when suggesting what to do.

Sometimes we also realize the large number of people who do not even have their financial lives together sufficiently enough to even be able to afford some trivial amount of emergency expense, like $400.  I personally believe that those people should NOT be investing into bitcoin until they first get their finances in sufficient order so that they are prepared for at least a  $400 expense and also have their cashflow projections in sufficient enough order in order to project how much cash they have in reserves for a minimum of 6 months.  You can get away with a shorter period of projecting your expenses if you are single and if you do not complicated expenses, but as soon as you add in a family or a business or some other payments such as a house or a car payment and other things like that, then you have to project out further - 18months or more. 

Of course, the shorter the time out from the present, then you are going to be more accurate with your cash projections, and the further out that you go, the cashflow projections are going to serve as outlines, and surely the more specific that you can be in projecting, including projecting an ongoing cashflow cushion then the more accurate you are going to be and the fewer surprises that you are going to have, even if you run into some emergencies along the way.

Once all that is in place, then you can add you bitcoin buying/accumulation budget into the mix... which then you decide what are your tentative BTC accumulation goals in 6 months?  one year?  two years? five years?  Gotta walk before you run, and even consider that some goals are going to be harder to reach than others and certain goals are going to be reasonable and prudent...   Do you involve gambling in your goal creation?  I hope not.  Not until you reach a certain stash, then maybe, thereafter, you can establish a side gambling stash.
legendary
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As a musician

I think we can all appreciate one of Strung Out's top songs describing the phenomenon of JayJuanGee posts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhPxGPKOa4E

You got a real problema Roach to be reminded of me because of that song.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Hello WO Bulls, how are you ?

Did you decide yet if you are going to fund our Crypto Mania Spark that we intend to recreate?

This is even worse than a JayJuanGee post.

ditto.

Roach obsessed, aka one sick pup.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Farewell o_e_l_e_o
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“We should be happier to have a job than to have our savings protected,” said Lagarde.


is she threatening us?

that sounds like a threat
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The strength of Bitcoin.


Source: https://twitter.com/BitcoinLifestyl/status/1190806756143714304

Co-founder and partner at Morgan Creek Digital, Anthony Pompliano:

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195 days until the next Bitcoin halving.

Less than 3 million Bitcoin left to mine.

Hash rate keeps hitting all-time highs.

We are watching the strongest computer network in the world continue to get stronger and stronger.

Incredible.
Via Twitter: @APompliano

More info: https://bitcoinist.com/bitcoin-fundamentals-are-better-and-stronger/

There is much talk that debt increases in the world's households and saving decreases, the Fed has been manipulating financial markets and lowering interest rates.There is no possible diversification, the best refuge found is through BTC.Then for 2008 the banks were responsible for the global financial crisis, and the perspective that it seems will continue to be the culprits of the next one?
legendary
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Soo boys are y'all saving up your art for the last minute?

Well, mine is taking way too long to get completed. I actually wonder if I'll be able to get it completed by the submission expiration time. I'm making a mosaic gallery containing 110 images in total (10 images for each year, from 2009 to 2019), and each of these images is being designed by me completely (and separately). Designing the images of each year is taking about 3-4 hours, and I'm done with 3 years (out of 11) so far. So still a very long way to go before it gets completed!

For example, the following five (out of total ten) are from the year 2010:



So I don't think that I'm saving up my art for the last minute, it's just that it'll not get completed until the last minute. Roll Eyes
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
I soppose nothing is going to change, noone in our crew is willing to pull out Cryptos out of their Wallets and finance this job on their own. Here is what i suggest : 35% Upfront to cover the costs then 65% when we show results. This seems the most fair option available which is used in Business, agreed?

There's no need to pull out crypto, use fiat. The whole point of escrow is to do the job first before you get paid. You'll get 100% when the results meet whatever it was agreed upon. That's how I funded a bunch of altcoin ICOs, collected 200 to 400 BTC, did not pay them at all until the coin launched and was stable for a few days.

When there is a trade I escrow, coins are not released until buyer has confirmed they got what they paid for.

No one on this thread is going to agree to your proposal, but I'm sure they'll fund the escrow address if you say you'll accept and do it. You'll see the amount in any block explorer and at least you're sure the coins are there waiting for you to finish what you claim to do.
legendary
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OK, i'd need some opinions on this prototype piece i experimentally fucked up, taking hours and days to take it this far.
Now i have got a last piece of ebony left, which will serve for the production blank, where all flaws of the protype should be eradicated.
This will serve the purpose of being a card protector for future texas hold'em games.





When it's done add it to the Art thread and I'll +sM you there.


Some things change.  Some stay the same.



What are you trying to say, hairy mcbary?  Are you trying to say that we are largely "on track"?

Yeah pretty much.  We are back a bit higher than we should be so I wouldn’t expect much price action for the next year or so.  Death by boredom most probable.   We might retest $13k at the halvening.

The real action will start in early 2021.

On the accelerated model - I never agreed with it.  That model puts us at $15k now and $50k in January 2020.  It’s not going to happen.  

Don't be messing with me like this man!

Soo boys are y'all saving up your art for the last minute?
Or we're just not so talented in that direction? I know I'm not.
I realise we have like 4/5 entrants.
Bob not going to give theymos a nice installation? You do the best memes man at least, c'mon on.
I feel like jojo's welding something together as we speak...

I couldn't draw a straight line with a ruler. Smiley
legendary
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Be a bank
Soo boys are y'all saving up your art for the last minute?
Or we're just not so talented in that direction? I know I'm not.
I realise we have like 4/5 entrants.
Bob not going to give theymos a nice installation? You do the best memes man at least, c'mon on.
I feel like jojo's welding soemthing together as we speak...
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