Topic: [WARNING] Avoid 4444sport.com until they change their behavior - page 2. (Read 681 times)

their gambling site is currently facing similar complaints from other gamblers and they currently have an active flag against them. would you mind sharing more information or evidence(screenshot or anything suggesting that they are not paying) regarding your issue? I am not saying that you are lying but evidence would help other members to decide whether to support you or not.

They are not paying and replying to my messages in 6 days. 185 euro payout...

This looks very much like behavior you would expect to see from some scammer, and they created new self-moderated topic only after one or more users complained how they can't withdraw coins from their website.
I don't know if they are really connected with adkinsbet or any other website but ther behavior is very shady so I am supporting the flag and I would suggest everyone to stay away from 4444sport website.

A month has passed since 4444sport joined the forum and started their first ANN thread. As of this writing, there have been no confirmed withdrawals from 4444sport, and several complaints are still unresolved. Although there are no open scam accusations against the casino yet, I support the flag based on their attitude towards the community and excessive censorship in their self-moderated thread. The casino has all the hallmarks of a scam so I don't recommend anyone to gamble there.

Self-moderated ANNs should not be allowed in the forum is what I would say. But we all have to accept what the forum administration gives us and not crib about it.

It is so easy nowadays to create such a thread and only censor the posts that speak up against the same saying that it is trolling/offtopic. But we have our own method to call them out here on the alloted section and it is also nice to see users decide on it.

Good job on @Mahdirakib for making this thread, been following it for the last few days waiting for someone to make a flag and @logfiles got posting the flag. Flag has been supported, hoping more DT to take action too.

After reading through all the deleted posts, I decided to tag and flag them. If they don't want any complaints, then they shouldn't open any thread at all in the forum.

Someone complains about their delayed withdrawal, and then they have the audacity to delete the post instead of addressing the issue. Seriously?
That's what scammers always do. Not legitimate casinos.

Please support the flag Type 1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2885
@Mahdirakib, you can add the flag to the OP.

As they claim to delete only off-topic, trolling, and spam posts, I decided to look into it further.
These are the posts that have been removed from their topic so far, whether they were trolling or spam, decide for yourself:

The fact that they have already erased a handful of negative reviews on the self-moderated thread says a lot about the website, and the fact that they have already been tagged by DT members sends a strong message to users who want to play their to play it with caution or never play at all.

clear evidence of fraud has not yet been presented here. I guess their thread will still open and there is no reason for mods to lock or delete it.
OP noticed it well and a self-moderated topic is not exactly the best choice for communicating with your customers. I mean users from whom that casino should make money.
Currently, there are #36 posts and at the same time, 32 posts by 14 users with 1 merit deleted. more than obvious censorship.

btw. I am curious, in addition to many casinos with a solid reputation, why do people bother with poor casinos like 4444sport?

Yes i know that there is no specifics that a self moderate thread cannot be created on the gambling board. My point is, if a gambling website is open moderate thread Then the community members will take a stand against that website because the creation of such a thread will not have any value in the opinion of the community members, which other gamblers should have been aware of. And that's why I said these threads are not allowed in the gambling section.

The thread is still open and 90% of posts are still being deleted because they are all negative. It's crazy that this can go on.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4444sportcom-sports-live-betting-10000-daily-events-5375271

Clearly they are trying to scam the bettors. If not then they would continue with their old thread. Until now they (4444sport.com) have deleted 26 posts of 12 users. And most of those posts was related with the issues of the platform, not off topic.

Self-moderated thread isn't the main issue here. Many casino has launched without self-moderated thread and ended as scam site. Casino manager or admin gets negative feedback when someone post an accusation against them with proper proof. And this is the actual way to determine a scam casino. BTW, you can see all the replies (including deleted post) of a self-moderated thread by using Ninjastic.space.

I haven't seen any rules like that. theymos said


Anyway, some casinos are running for a long time with self-moderated thread and they have enough reputation now. A small number of posts were deleted in those self-moderated thread, and all of those posts were related to trolling. FortuneJack, Bitcasino, Betcoin and PlayBetr is a great example of reputable betting sites with self-moderated thread.

If there is a written rule regarding these terms, I will report it. I also got a notification inbox that my post was deleted. I think that user is now starting to annoy everyone. Obviously, the OP would easily delete posts against that thread, including the scam warning. This cannot be allowed.

Self moderated thread is not allowed in gambling section. So even if they try to open a self moderate thread and show their reputation only positively, then that is their misconception. Because they can't keep their thread this way, the moderator will remove that thread. And by creating a shill account and making positive comments, they will be able to go further, because real victims will also share their bad experiences in that thread so that it will be easier for gamblers to make a decision.

So since they can't just show their positive side, they have locked the thread.

I've just seen this thread. Thanks for making it and trying to help keep the community aware of this site.

For what it's worth, 4444 have not communicated with me in any way since about 5 or 6 days ago when they said they were 'verifying' my bets. Since then any attempt at communication is either ignored or just deleted.

There are still no confirmed withdrawals from the site, nor do I expect there to be. It's possible they may process very small withdrawals to create the illusion that they're legitimate so people should be aware of that.

The only other user who has posted about an experience at 4444, either positive or negative, is 'younger41', and they were told their bets were voided and his deposit would be returned. This was a week ago but no deposit has returned.

The bigger issue is that this forum enables this scam behaviour, and the gambling forum is in effect a relative haven for crypto betting scammers. They can self moderate threads to make unaware people think the site is having no complaints. I imagine if a few shills post positive experiences on their thread then they look like a great site to play at, when in reality no one is getting their money back if they win anything. Surely the ability to remove self moderation is a possibility, but it may be the case that the mods of that board are monetising by taking fees to allow self moderating threads. There is no good reason why a site with no reputation, or even worse a terrible reputation, should be allowed to have a self moderated thread. It's very simple to stop this behaviour, yet it is allowed to continue.

Self moderated thread in gambling section? I guess I have missed their announcement. This sounds awkward; must be a scam attempt. AFAIRA, this website have some similarity with the scam website adkinsbet; both were trying to get some sign up through a nice giveaway. It more sounds like scam attempt now. People should stay away.

What happened:
The platform made their first announcement thread in this forum on November 8, 2021. And they locked the ANN thread on December 2, 2021 by saying this

However, it seems like they have locked their first ANN thread as many people were saying that 4444sport have connection with scam AdkinsBET. Though there isn't any valid proof of it, but they are acting like AdkinsBET. They (AdkinsBET) had also created a self-moderated thread after locking the first ANN thread and deleted those posts which was against them. 4444sport doing the same thing now by creating a self-moderated thread.

Beside that, some users was complaining about the withdrawal delays. 4444sport.com is delaying the withdrawal of ‘brassnuts’, Already 1 week has been passed and they haven't paid him yet. 4444sport.com has deleted all the post of ‘brassnuts’ in their self-moderated thread except this one. As a result, he (brassnuts) created a topic about it in the gambling section: Self Moderated Thread for New Books

Suspects Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/4444sportcom-3404161

Note: I haven't made any post in their ANN but I was observing their activity since last few days. They have already received two negative feedbacks for running a self-moderated thread and for not paying the users.

Edit: Based on this accusation, a type 1 flag has been created by ‘logfiles’ against 4444sport.com. If you think they are showing wrong attitude and trying to scam users (already scamming) then support the flag

Support flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2885