Was Ross Ulbright framed by the FBI? - page 3.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2015, 06:46:06 AM

Quote from: S4VV4S on April 27, 2015, 12:15:35 AM

I don't have any problems with it.
It is the Silk Road timeline.

Try this - same but with out the #timeline: http://antilop.cc/sr/

EDIT: ONLY BitDefender and WebSense claim Malware: https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/1e98c9915053c5fd89623d5a4e45d3b8b561db2b1d0c13eb860111d7e1be4984/analysis/1430111764/

It was early in the morning and I didn't have time to test it. It's possible that some link on the website is just malicious to the AV so it shows the whole site.
The timeline looks great. Who made it?

I wonder if Variety Jones will stay a mystery like Satoshi? Although Satoshi should be left in peace, VJ should not.

I have no clue who made it, it was pointed out to me recently by AGD.
Variety Jones did meet in person with PoM and Shabang, so they know who he is since they met at VJs house: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11208170

I think it's only a matter of time.

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Quote from: S4VV4S on April 27, 2015, 12:15:35 AM

I don't have any problems with it.
It is the Silk Road timeline.

Try this - same but with out the #timeline: http://antilop.cc/sr/

EDIT: ONLY BitDefender and WebSense claim Malware: https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/1e98c9915053c5fd89623d5a4e45d3b8b561db2b1d0c13eb860111d7e1be4984/analysis/1430111764/

It was early in the morning and I didn't have time to test it. It's possible that some link on the website is just malicious to the AV so it shows the whole site.
The timeline looks great. Who made it?

I wonder if Variety Jones will stay a mystery like Satoshi? Although Satoshi should be left in peace, VJ should not.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2015, 12:08:24 AM

Quote from: S4VV4S on April 27, 2015, 12:00:30 AM

Feel free to join the "hunt": https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-is-variety-jones-935434
http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

What's the second link about?
I'm getting this:

I don't have any problems with it.
It is the Silk Road timeline.

Try this - same but with out the #timeline: http://antilop.cc/sr/

EDIT: ONLY BitDefender and WebSense claim Malware: https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/1e98c9915053c5fd89623d5a4e45d3b8b561db2b1d0c13eb860111d7e1be4984/analysis/1430111764/

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Quote from: S4VV4S on April 27, 2015, 12:00:30 AM

Feel free to join the "hunt": https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-is-variety-jones-935434
http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

What's the second link about?
I'm getting this:

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Quote from: Lauda on April 26, 2015, 11:58:29 PM

Quote from: S4VV4S on April 26, 2015, 03:47:44 PM

Not necessarily.....

If that is actual evidence/exhibitions then it has been tampered with.
Therefor ANYTHING coming from Ross's laptop is invalid as there is no way to prove that it is genuine data (unless he admits to it which I doubt).

So...... guess what happens!

Quote from: AGD on April 26, 2015, 05:53:54 PM

Problem is: how can you prove that the files on his computer were manipulated?

There is your answer. Even if you try proving something the government will always deny it or ignore it.
The case is rather very complicated. I wonder though what kind of mastermind Variety Jones is?

Feel free to join the "hunt": https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-is-variety-jones-935434
http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

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Quote from: S4VV4S on April 26, 2015, 03:47:44 PM

Not necessarily.....

If that is actual evidence/exhibitions then it has been tampered with.
Therefor ANYTHING coming from Ross's laptop is invalid as there is no way to prove that it is genuine data (unless he admits to it which I doubt).

So...... guess what happens!

Quote from: AGD on April 26, 2015, 05:53:54 PM

Problem is: how can you prove that the files on his computer were manipulated?

There is your answer. Even if you try proving something the government will always deny it or ignore it.
The case is rather very complicated. I wonder though what kind of mastermind Variety Jones is?

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Quote from: AGD on April 26, 2015, 05:53:54 PM

Problem is: how can you prove that the files on his computer were manipulated?

Also another thing is, that IF the agents Force + Bridges planted the manipulated files on Ross' pc, why did they leave all the evidence about their fraud? Doesn't make sense. They would have erased everything about the "murder chats", entries in the (manipulated) journal and the insider information Force was giving to DPR as "frenchmaid" and "alpacino". No way they would've forgotten this!

This all leads to Variety Jones as the main suspect in my opinion: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-is-variety-jones-935434

He gained a lot of trust from Ross and it was probably easy for him to hack his pc with a 0-day, plant a stealth backdoor with eternal access and do whatever he wants at later time. He could play a multi character game around Ross. He takes over the Silk Road site and at a certain time, when he feels unsafe, he puts Ross back in the spotlight and disappears with a lot of Bitcoins.
He does the same with SR2 and leaves Blake Benthall as the fall guy.

If my findings in the OP are evidence from the trial it would be hard for the feds to prove that it wasn't manipulated Wink

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Quote from: saddambitcoin on April 26, 2015, 06:42:03 PM

Interesting find on that timeline from 2006! (Plural of Mongoose = Variety Jones)

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In an article from High Times magazine dated July 2006, the journalist Chris Bennett, who covered at the time the overgrow arrests, gives an interesting description of the "megabyte megalomaniac" Plural of Mongoose:

PoM was like a puppet master, and it was eerily intriguing watching him pull the strings on the forums that made people dance in the real world: Business transactions fell apart, people retired nicknames and dropped from view, court dates came and went - but when the chance arose to interview PoM, I decided to pass. By that time, I had it from a reliable source that PoM deposited things on people's PCs via e-mail that gave him access to their personal desktops and files.

I don't know about that, but he definetly knows who VJ is and so does Shabang:

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Plural of Mongoose: In early 2004, a few weeks after leaving Seeds Direct, I left England to spend some time with a good friend of mine, Variety Jones. VJ was my editor for about two years, but so much more than just that in all the time I've known him. I met VJ when I was just a pup, and he had always been my counsel. If I started getting to big for my britches, I could always count on him to take me to task. There is nothing I knew that I didn't share with him, and he was a sounding board and confindante like no other. His beautiful house lay in a tranquil country setting, a perfect location to meet people and get to know them. My favorite memory of such events has to be an evening at VJ's house with Kif Richards and his lovely wife. You couldn't ask for a nicer group of people.

While there, I flew ~S in to spend 24 hours with VJ and myself, and have a little meeting, face-to-face. First off, let me say ~Shabang~ was a joy to spend time with - we were all sorry it had to be such a short meeting, but needs must, eh. I hope that someday the three of us can get together and share another spliff. But enough of that sentimental crap.

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It seems pretty likely that Ross actually is guilty. The Fed's story is also likely to have lot's of holes as well. So, the picture they spun may not be a 100% match to reality, but it would seem it was close enough to get him convicted.

Ross left a lot of material for them and law enforcement really are just used car salesmen. The Feds just needed to take the pieces they could use and fold them into a story which they could sell to a jury.

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Interesting find on that timeline from 2006! (Plural of Mongoose = Variety Jones)

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In an article from High Times magazine dated July 2006, the journalist Chris Bennett, who covered at the time the overgrow arrests, gives an interesting description of the "megabyte megalomaniac" Plural of Mongoose:

PoM was like a puppet master, and it was eerily intriguing watching him pull the strings on the forums that made people dance in the real world: Business transactions fell apart, people retired nicknames and dropped from view, court dates came and went - but when the chance arose to interview PoM, I decided to pass. By that time, I had it from a reliable source that PoM deposited things on people's PCs via e-mail that gave him access to their personal desktops and files.

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Problem is: how can you prove that the files on his computer were manipulated?

Also another thing is, that IF the agents Force + Bridges planted the manipulated files on Ross' pc, why did they leave all the evidence about their fraud? Doesn't make sense. They would have erased everything about the "murder chats", entries in the (manipulated) journal and the insider information Force was giving to DPR as "frenchmaid" and "alpacino". No way they would've forgotten this!

This all leads to Variety Jones as the main suspect in my opinion: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-is-variety-jones-935434

He gained a lot of trust from Ross and it was probably easy for him to hack his pc with a 0-day, plant a stealth backdoor with eternal access and do whatever he wants at later time. He could play a multi character game around Ross. He takes over the Silk Road site and at a certain time, when he feels unsafe, he puts Ross back in the spotlight and disappears with a lot of Bitcoins.
He does the same with SR2 and leaves Blake Benthall as the fall guy.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 26, 2015, 03:19:13 PM

Well the fact is that we can't really know what happened and the government will deny it. I for one think that he was framed nicely as the government wanted to make an example of Ross.
I'm not sure how that worked out for them as these sites have been popping up again.

Not necessarily.....

If that is actual evidence/exhibitions then it has been tampered with.
Therefor ANYTHING coming from Ross's laptop is invalid as there is no way to prove that it is genuine data (unless he admits to it which I doubt).

So...... guess what happens!

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Well the fact is that we can't really know what happened and the government will deny it. I for one think that he was framed nicely as the government wanted to make an example of Ross.
I'm not sure how that worked out for them as these sites have been popping up again.

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OK, first I apologize for having this data in two threads, but the first thread (how it all started) concerns Variety Jones and not Ross, so......

In light of my discoveries:

Quote from: S4VV4S on April 26, 2015, 04:41:45 AM

Sooooooo,

According to the timeline: 05/02/2012 - Account Silk Road changed to Dread Pirate Roberts. Source: http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

Can someone explain to me how comes Ross posted a thread as Silk Road and then exactly 45 minutes later as Dread Pirate Roberts on December 01 2011

Edit: Image Source: http://antilop.cc/sr/img/2011_12_01_shabang_guard_node.png

and:

Quote from: S4VV4S on April 26, 2015, 12:36:55 PM

Quote from: AGD on April 26, 2015, 10:09:34 AM

Could be an error in the timeline, or do you have an idea?

NO. Definetely NOT.

And I 'll tell you why: http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/GX-226D.pdf

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(2012-01-15 21:11) vj: You need to change your name from Admin, to Dread Pirate Roberts

(2012-01-15 21:11) vj: <-- isn't kidding - start the legend now

Once again, take a good look at the dates and usernames in the image below:

EDIT: Are these actual evidence from the trial?
And if it is, how comes Ross's attorney did not notice this?

EDIT 2: Wasn't Ross using "Silk Road" (instead of Admin mentioned above) as a username before DPR?

What do you think?

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