Was the forum better before without Merit or is it better now with Merit? - page 2.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on December 08, 2023, 10:45:39 AM

Quote from: BabyBandit on December 02, 2023, 05:51:39 PM

Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer.

What do you mean better? Has useful information stop being spread here? are there not still very many helpful topics created by still very quality writers? The forum is good, and it just strikes me that if the merit system was added to the forum when it was not a part of the original plan, then it means it was meant to make the forum better as an improvement. At this stage I the forum where things has remained like nice and running with the merit system, the forum will feel odd if the merit system is abolished.

Regardless, the forum is better moderated by the merit system, we can't ignore that. Fine, the forum would still be informative before now, but I do not know by then, yet I believe that spamming and lesser quality posts would be more dominant then, this is normal. Especially when the moderators are overwhelmed by them.

This, I believe was the reason why the admin thought of a way that would naturally limit the nonsense here rather than putting the whole load on the moderators. Also, I would like you to reason that if there is no need at all, I don't think it would have ever happened. For me, this is wise and this is not the first forum where something like this has been introduced to curb menaces. There must be rules or ways to restrict excesses, if not people will misuse the free opportunity they have. There is still spamming at times, but little, and one thing that is peculiar to those who are guilty of that is that they do not ever grow in the forum. Who will merit the post of a bad poster? This is why many of them think twice before they write rubbish since they want to grow even as they desire to be in a campaign.

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Quote from: mr.smith on December 10, 2023, 06:15:54 PM

Quote from: BabyBandit on December 02, 2023, 05:51:39 PM

Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer.

If the administrator forbids or no longer wants any signature campaign here will these merits matter, it's like working in a company you get a better position and pay if you have a lot of feathers in your caps.

For those who are into true discussion getting a merit is an incentive that they are doing good, but for those who are eyeing to make money through a signature campaign it is a ticket for a seat.
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Merits is one of a key to rankup and we all know that merits are given to those users who are making good post not a spam or a shitpost. And also users who are aiming to rankup then they will make a good post in order to receive merits from others to reach highranks. also like what older users said above that merit system reduced spammer and shitposter. So if a user enter here to learn and to share then that's a good thing he/she will reach to the top.

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Quote from: FatFork on December 10, 2023, 05:24:30 PM

Quote from: aoluain on December 10, 2023, 03:27:05 PM

IMO there is still the same amount of posts which are not needed,

I'm not so sure I agree with that. Take a look at this graph. The raw number of posts per month has dropped dramatically from over 1.5 million in 2017 to around 300 thousand (in December 2022, according to ninjastic.space). So, I would say that the merit system probably contributed a lot in that regard.

Thats interesting for sure and is a perfect example actually of a change in general member/spam behavour,
I had to examine that graph again to figure it out.

Quote from: FatFork on December 10, 2023, 05:24:30 PM

Quote from: aoluain on December 10, 2023, 03:27:05 PM

There are still going to be people who are better than others and who are able to rank up quicker, that
was the case prior to the Merit system too.

I don't think that's true either. Before the merit system, everyone could rank up on the forum at the same pace, as all that was required was activity and time. No one was able to rank up faster than any other member sharing the same activity.

Thats actually very true, all things being equal ^{time spent on the forum and post count} the "rising
tide was floating all boats"

These points have changed my opinion on the thread title, I guess I was focussing too much on what I would deem
as low quality posts and useless threads.

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Quote from: mr.smith on December 10, 2023, 06:15:54 PM

If the administrator forbids or no longer wants any signature campaign here will these merits matter, it's like working in a company you get a better position and pay if you have a lot of feathers in your caps.

Merit will still be matter for quality users because it is like forum member ranks. You received more merits, it is like a recognition of your contribution and value in Bitcointalk community. It is not true for all because earned merit can be easier or harder for different forum members but generally it is one of quality signals.

If I am a good poster, I will make good posts and I am sure I would feel a bit happy when I see someone drops their merit on my posts.

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For those who are into true discussion getting a merit is an incentive that they are doing good, but for those who are eyeing to make money through a signature campaign it is a ticket for a seat.

There are good posters who make posts but don't wear any signature and they don't care to join any paid signature campaign. They will not stop posting, sharing idea when all signatures are disabled in Bitcointalk.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on December 02, 2023, 05:51:39 PM

Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer.

If the administrator forbids or no longer wants any signature campaign here will these merits matter, it's like working in a company you get a better position and pay if you have a lot of feathers in your caps.

For those who are into true discussion getting a merit is an incentive that they are doing good, but for those who are eyeing to make money through a signature campaign it is a ticket for a seat.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 10, 2023, 03:27:05 PM

IMO there is still the same amount of posts which are not needed,

I'm not so sure I agree with that. Take a look at this graph. The raw number of posts per month has dropped dramatically from over 1.5 million in 2017 to around 300 thousand (in December 2022, according to ninjastic.space). So, I would say that the merit system probably contributed a lot in that regard.

Quote from: aoluain on December 10, 2023, 03:27:05 PM

There are still going to be people who are better than others and who are able to rank up quicker, that
was the case prior to the Merit system too.

I don't think that's true either. Before the merit system, everyone could rank up on the forum at the same pace, as all that was required was activity and time. No one was able to rank up faster than any other member sharing the same activity.

aoluain

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I dont think the forum has either benefited or suffered from the Merit system, I voted "No Difference"

IMO there is still the same amount of posts which are not needed, its mostly by low ranked members
who are trying to write posts primarily to get Merits, to rank up and get into a signature campaign, but
there is a finite amount of campaign positions anyway.

For me what the Merit system has done is put a -visual number- on everyones technical ability, Bitcoin
Knowledge and communication skills. Its a measure now of generally "how good you are" and its easier
now for the campaign managers to filter the applicants to their campaigns

There are still going to be people who are better than others and who are able to rank up quicker, that
was the case prior to the Merit system too.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on December 02, 2023, 05:51:39 PM

Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer.

I can’t give you a perspective on a time when I didn’t exist but, I can as much give you an answer based on what the system was set to archive based on how far it’s gone to achieve that.
The merit system came as a way to boost quality in posts and push for more creative writing in the minds of users.

If you see the merit system to have been able to achieve that, then you can agree that, there is a good chance that the forum is far better now than it would have been before the creation of the merit system. If otherwise, then it’s up to you.

Of course there might be a down side to it but, I think the positive out weighs the negotiable and that’s how you measure it. Hardly anyone who seeks to be creative doesn’t expect a feedback and that means, the system is working.

panganib999

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I’d say that the merit system we have right bow made “positive contribution” real and quantitative, whereas before the system was imposed which I would say was fairly easy to get into, no form of real credibility can be seen. You can get yourself an account you’d post every week or so for a couple of days in a year and voila, you now get a senior member account you could easily use for signature campaigns.

Let’s face it, the advent of signature campaigns in this forum is what made this forum kicking. And thanks to merits, signature campaigns, and moderators as well as keen observers alike are able to quickly deduce who’s making posts for shit and who’s really passionate about making this forum a better site.

Plus, it’s way more rewarding to create and join in discussions that matters a lot to the industry, cause if yoi’re good enough to be able to contribute as much as an insightful opinion about certain somethings, people can merit you for it.

Rikafip

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Quote from: Shenanigan on December 07, 2023, 11:51:14 AM

Every reader of the forum is required to immediately register on it or what?

Of course not (I personally first just passively read for a month or two before registering) but in your case it would mean that you were lurking the forum for 5 years befiore actually registering and based on your posting habits I don't think its true.

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Without asking, you will understand that even with the merit system, there are good evidences of alt accounts and possibly account farming by some individuals. You have to imagine that if with the presence of the merit system, some people are still trying to spam up their accounts by posting low quality posts, and trying to buy merits and do shady activities to grow the account.
If this is like this presently, what happens when there was merit system. This means a crusade of spammers and I understood it was worse somewhere 2018 and this made some quality posters exited the forum to have their sanity.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on December 02, 2023, 05:51:39 PM

Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer.

What do you mean better? Has useful information stop being spread here? are there not still very many helpful topics created by still very quality writers? The forum is good, and it just strikes me that if the merit system was added to the forum when it was not a part of the original plan, then it means it was meant to make the forum better as an improvement. At this stage I the forum where things has remained like nice and running with the merit system, the forum will feel odd if the merit system is abolished.

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Quote from: Myleschetty on December 07, 2023, 06:52:26 PM

Quote from: Adbitco on December 04, 2023, 05:02:12 PM

You can't compare then and now the forum is more free from spam post if not for this merits system I wonder how the forum would have look by now, where newbies keeps spamming and they gets promoted to the next rank without doing what it takes to merits the next rank.
Though lazy posters especially newbies that are finding it difficult to meet the next rank would say is bad but technically this merits has shown how constructives and creative we seems to be, and anyone who ranked up so easily then you need to watch out to such person he is putting more efforts in discovery or tends to be more creatives.

I don't know how the forum was before so I would have been able to tell if the merit does limit spam. However, it does not provide a total solution because I have seen quality posts with no merit while posts with no contribution or solution were giving merit and I have also seen some local board posts being merited just by posting information about a new open campaign on this forum which is sign that the merit system was in favor of people that didn't participate in the local board.
If the campaign manager can start to exclude merit accumulated in the local board yes I would say the merit system limits spam.

For merits there are thread that talks about reporting quality post for them to be merited, you wouldn't know how it works before you weren't active or registered then so I don't expect you to give an accurate answer about the changes. There are post that is quality first you will asked if those post are being made are the regular board where people or merits sources often visit? I think for long now merits hasn't been the issues here because they are trying as much as possible to distribute merits to everyone that merits it to their post.

Edit..
Your account was registered 2018 so I believe the merits system has been implement before you signed up.

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Quote from: Adbitco on December 04, 2023, 05:02:12 PM

You can't compare then and now the forum is more free from spam post if not for this merits system I wonder how the forum would have look by now, where newbies keeps spamming and they gets promoted to the next rank without doing what it takes to merits the next rank.
Though lazy posters especially newbies that are finding it difficult to meet the next rank would say is bad but technically this merits has shown how constructives and creative we seems to be, and anyone who ranked up so easily then you need to watch out to such person he is putting more efforts in discovery or tends to be more creatives.

I don't know how the forum was before so I would have been able to tell if the merit does limit spam. However, it does not provide a total solution because I have seen quality posts with no merit while posts with no contribution or solution were giving merit and I have also seen some local board posts being merited just by posting information about a new open campaign on this forum which is sign that the merit system was in favor of people that didn't participate in the local board.
If the campaign manager can start to exclude merit accumulated in the local board yes I would say the merit system limits spam.

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Quote from: Shenanigan on December 07, 2023, 10:13:36 AM

Before the introduction of merits, the forum was better

I don't know what the bitcointalk forum was like before the merit system was introduced - certainly because I came after it. But from various references I've read - bitcointalk had a great improvement after the merit system was introduced and theymos themselves have also emphasized that the merit system is to improve the quality of each user to post something quality and emphasize spam posts and such.

Based on the facts - it's true, bitcointalk has been better after the merit system was introduced. SSpam and low-quality posts have decreased - forum contributors have become easier to identified.

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Quote from: Rikafip on December 07, 2023, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: Shenanigan on December 07, 2023, 10:13:36 AM

Before the introduction of merits, the forum was better

Since you only registered less than a year ago, how would you know how it was before. Tongue

Where do such oddballs come from? Tongue

Every reader of the forum is required to immediately register on it or what?

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Quote from: Shenanigan on December 07, 2023, 10:13:36 AM

Before the introduction of merits, the forum was better

Since you only registered less than a year ago, how would you know how it was before. Tongue

Members like you are the proof that merit system works because without it you would already be a Member rank, on the road to become Full Member and eventually Legendary while not investing any effort at all.

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Of course, this isn't my problem alone when it comes to being more difficult to obsess over rankings, but it is slowly becoming a regular thing and even more fun. I feel more honored by achieving every rankings after the merit system. On the other hand, my circle left the forum one by one at the beginning of the system implementation because they were unable to adapt. And damn, I have to say more when I bring up any topic in this forum to discuss it with them irl.

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Before the introduction of merits, the forum was better

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Quote from: BabyBandit on December 02, 2023, 05:51:39 PM

Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer.

Well I did present when the merit wasnt existed yet but due to that I stopped ranking to member when they implement it of course I am not agreed at first cause it halt my upgrade on full member due to lack of merits. But I realized it on the end that what happened is much bettet to filter spams and make some users improved their posting and not just create a post or response just to have one.

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