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Much, much better now than before the merit system was created--and I think I've said that like a million times across the span of 5 years already.  While I think there's still a big shitposting problem, at least people aren't doing it with a stable of alt accounts that they're ranking up either to enroll in bounties/campaigns or to sell to account buyers.  The merit system swept the legs right out from under account farmers, and that was no small thing.

There used to be threads where it was obvious that alt accounts were responding to each other as though they were actually different people; you don't see that much anymore.
Even if I did not witness the old days, through your statement, I am able to understand how it was then. Even with the merit system, it is still not perfect as there are still loop holes. Now, let's imagine where the only thing required to rank up is actively count. The spam obviously would be much. A random person can decide to create 3 accounts and endeavour to make atleast a post (shitty post), in  each of the accounts a day, in less than 3 months, the 3 accounts will become full member accounts. Thanks to the merit system.
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Theymos isn’t one that enjoys making changes to the forum, and when he does, there is a good reason why that is. The merit system was a much needed solution to the problem of shitposters and account farmers. Before the merit system, I could have been a legendary member by simply posting trash all over the forum. Unlike today when the rank closely matches the experience of the person behind the account, in 2016 I don’t think much was expected from a legendary rank member.

I wasn’t here before the introduction of the merit system, but I know if the forum didn’t have merit system in place, the moderators would spend all their time deleting shitposts.

Yes I think you absolutely right here, without being here for to long or knowing how Theymos works. I got feeling he does what best for the forum and not what best for himself. Sometimes maybe users wont understand it direct, but in the end it will be obvious why he did take a certain decision.
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Theymos isn’t one that enjoys making changes to the forum, and when he does, there is a good reason why that is. The merit system was a much needed solution to the problem of shitposters and account farmers. Before the merit system, I could have been a legendary member by simply posting trash all over the forum. Unlike today when the rank closely matches the experience of the person behind the account, in 2016 I don’t think much was expected from a legendary rank member.

I wasn’t here before the introduction of the merit system, but I know if the forum didn’t have merit system in place, the moderators would spend all their time deleting shitposts.
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You can't compare then and now the forum is more free from spam post if not for this merits system I wonder how the forum would have look by now, where newbies keeps spamming and they gets promoted to the next rank without doing what it takes to merits the next rank.
Though lazy posters especially newbies that are finding it difficult to meet the next rank would say is bad but technically this merits has shown how constructives and creative we seems to be, and anyone who ranked up so easily then you need to watch out to such person he is putting more efforts in discovery or tends to be more creatives.
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Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer. Smiley

I wasn't around when the merit system was first introduced, but based on how older members are commenting and sharing their experiences between now and then, I'm convinced that the merit system was one of the best things to be introduced to the forum. The merit system has also enabled one to contribute valuable and informative forum discussions. The merit is more like a  gold of inestimable value in that you must demonstrate your desire for it before it can be given to you by someone who saw your potential and have some to share. Merit cannot be bought, but it can be earned through your contributions to the forum.
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unfortunately I think the system of merit is broken aswell as most users have brought in their A game but because of language barriers not belonging  to the forums local boards or not fitting in into certain cliques some users don't rank up as the merit system doesn't favour all!!
Man, it's not because of language barriers, but those local posters are also giving their merit to their group in global board. So it's not really because of language barriers, but they're from beginning has a plan to abuse the merit. More importantly giving merit is very subjective, making a report by using merit connection as a proof alone is really weak, you would get criticized by other users. Cheesy

I think a way to reduce this problem is only merit sources can send sMerit.
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Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer. Smiley

Much better with merits since there’s tons of spammer out there that literally posting nonsense on any thread just to farm an account because activity can be gained by just posting per 2 weeks.

Now, it’s very hard to farm account that decreases account sales which consider as a win for the merit system. Although there are some cases with merit begging but at least everyone is already trying to make a better post compared before.
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I think both era's had/have their strengths and weakness, but I think the first era without the merit requirements was a great one has it gave us the freedom which many of us enjoyed!
But unfortunately this freedom was abused with spam on the forum, which lead to the era of the merit system..which meant any spammers of the forum would not rank up..and unfortunately I think the system of merit is broken aswell as most users have brought in their A game but because of language barriers not belonging  to the forums local boards or not fitting in into certain cliques some users don't rank up as the merit system doesn't favour all!!

Otherwise all in all, I liked the era without merit way better than this one, no hard feelings guys and girls Roll Eyes
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Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer. Smiley
I saw both periods on this forum: both before and after merits. And this is what I will say about this. I have already voiced this point of view several times, but I repeat that I believe that the introduction of merits benefited the bitcointalk, which made it possible to improve the quality of posts, pushing users not just to spam all sorts of garbage, but at least to generate more or less useful and interesting texts. I won’t talk about everyone, but I’m sure that for me, at least, the introduction of the merit system had a beneficial effect and forced me to be more thoughtful about what I write on this forum.
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Thank everyone for the replies.

As I understand it from the poll and replies that it's better now! The merit system avoids spammer to running around here free, and that's good and what we want?  Cheesy
Someone said it's not perfect, but I think we call can agree that's nothing is perfect in life, but if it's better then it was it's already winning.  Cheesy



Much, much better now than before the merit system was created--and I think I've said that like a million times across the span of 5 years already.  While I think there's still a big shitposting problem, at least people aren't doing it with a stable of alt accounts that they're ranking up either to enroll in bounties/campaigns or to sell to account buyers.  The merit system swept the legs right out from under account farmers, and that was no small thing.

There used to be threads where it was obvious that alt accounts were responding to each other as though they were actually different people; you don't see that much anymore.

When was it possible to start enroll in campaigns on the forum? Was also that a positive change? For the reason now an account can actually make move in a respected way (Post high quality posts) so it should also make the forum a bit cleaner from spam?



it makes sense the merit system helped to halt to some degree the spamming and the account farming. Now obviously takes much more effort to account farm for the purpose of selling them outside of the forum, to the extent many of the farmers probably stopped trying at this point.

No system is perfect, that is for sure, but having a system like this one is better than not having one. At least, that is my humble opinion.

I agree you on this one bro! As long we trying ur best with what we got, it will be much better then if we work against it.



I was here 2years before the merit system was started and I am still here after 5years of the merit system.

The good thing/or so we thought, was that alt-accounts would reduce in number and account farming would be discouraged, although the second point has fairly been effective, they eventually are managing to rank up and introduce their own into multiple campaign and defraud them like previously. In other words, there are loopholes and its not perfect, but sometimes merit ends up being a distraction rather than engaging in the community.

So my opinion is that not much has changed, we had bootlickers previously and we still have, its just how democracy works. Suck it up and continue on your one man army life.

I can understand that many people using signature campaign as a main source of income, since I understand that some users are from poor countries so I am so glad it's possible to earn money here in a legal way that also can improve your intellect. with this thinking the scam should be less and honestly should be the way everyone wants to go. It must be much more fun to have a honest account you farmed up during long time instead of cheating your way up.
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Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits?
Before the merit system, as consequence of cryptocurrency market and ICO booming in 2017 and 2018, the forum was flooded with shit posters. Merit system kicked off in January 2018 helped to indirectly eliminate shit posters because they have no available space to spam and get money for their 'works'.

Then another wave of spam returned when those farms exchanged merits to rank up to like Junior member (without 1 merit required back in the day with initial merit system), then theymos launched an Enhanced merit system (with 1 merit required to be Junior member, previous junior members without 1 earned merit will be deranked to newbies). Spam reduced effectively and significantly again.

Then the massive booster of monthly sourced merits caused another issue, when I can see many shit posters rising again. They wrote wall of texts and use those text walls as their fake marks of quality to exchange merit, rank up and spam to work.


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Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer. Smiley

The forum was okay without merits but the spammers and accounts farmers took advantage of the forum's no merit system back then and farmed they used to farm many accounts so they can sell those low-effort ranked accounts for money.

The merit system almost eradicated those merit farmers and has improved the quality of posts to much higher levels. I would say that the merit system is the best system for the forum and it's implementation has improved the number of quality posters as well as helped those to rank up who contribute to the forum.
legendary
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I have no idea how it was before merit implentation as I joined later, but if we have so many high ranking shitposters now, I can only imagine how bad it was when you could rank tp Legendary by simply writing one liner shitposts for a couple of years.

Merit system ain't perfect, but it definitely made it harder for account farmers.
legendary
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The forum is much better now. This thread reminded me of one I opened in this same section when I had only been on the forum for a week. Take a look at it to get an idea of what was going on:

Poor English, careless writing, ranks and signature campaigns.

Basically before the merit system the forum was ranked up by time since registration and activity, and the forum was full of rubbish as has been mentioned. Neither the people reporting could report everything nor the moderators couldn't cope with it, so no matter how hard they tried the forum looked pretty filthy, much worse than now.


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Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer. Smiley
It was better when bitcoin was something new and people were discovering it, it was better when web wasn't super advanced and when crypto businesses were a new thing. It was just a good time, a new day, revolution in financial system, a new niche, a new thing to build business around.
Merit was implemented in 2017, this was the time when bitcoin gained widespread attention and become a very successful cryptocurrency. Also, since 2017, web and crypto businesses developed further and this forum lost popularity a little bit. This forum is not as mainstream as it was before and new things don't start from this forum like it was before.

So, I wouldn't ask whether was this forum better before merit or not, I would ask, was this forum better before 2017 or not. Btw it's noticeable that forum members are putting more effort to post high quality posts. To be honest, merit and high-paying signature campaigns, like Chipmixer, played very important role into making this forum a better place.
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I was not a part of the forum before the implementation of the merit system, but from the research I’ve done and several posts I have read I think I can boldly say that the merit system has done a pretty good job and there have been an improvement in posts standards.

But that does not mean that you still won’t come across a low quality post, some are made due to the poster not understanding the Op or something similar, but you won’t see anyone post just to increase their activity status like they did before the merit era.

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Some gave up when they were unable to earn merits from their posts while the rest realized that something was wrong and then decide to up their game and right now they are doing quite well and will still be in support of the merit system of asked to give their opinion.
legendary
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For me, I find the forum after activating the merit system much better than it was before the merit system was in place. Merit distinguishes between good members who provide benefit to the forum and others who spread spam.

In general, the merit that a member obtains is an indicator of the quality of posts and the positive, constructive activity of members in the forum. Activity alone is not enough.

Of course, there is no perfect system. There must be some defects, but I find that the benefits that the forum obtains are much greater than the defects that may exist in this system.
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IMO merit was introduced to try to force users to do better since they weren't taking the initiative to do it on their own. Merit is needed in order to rank up and in order to earn some merit you have to put some effort in when posting.

If merit was used correctly, then of course it's a good thing for the forum. The issue is these farmers all got airdropped merit and are able to merit new accounts and rank them up, sell merit and make a buck, or help their already existing accounts rank up.

Overall, merit is great for the forum, but like everything else there are some issues.
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Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer. Smiley
The merit system is not perfect, but notwithstanding, it's doing a great job.

I wasn't here before the merit system was newly introduced, and so are many Legendary members as well, yet, we could imagine just as it is in other forums without much moderation. This also goes in line with the story I heard that there was too much spamming. I can't but imagine that as well in a forum where there was an opportunity to earn, a lot of people might be writing jargons just to meet up with their pay posts requirements, but careless about the quality of posts that could move the forum forward.

This makes me conclude that this merit era is better and will also reduce the stress on the moderators.
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Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer. Smiley
I don’t know what is "merits" are so I can’t answer your question.
I only know that here at the forum you can simply communicate and debate without any "merits"
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Members, reputable members. Was it better before back then when this forum was without merits or is it better or even much better now with merits? Please explain your answer so users like me can get an idea how it was and what you prefer. Smiley

To a larger extent, the forum is better with the integration of the merit system to it. However, it comes with its own downsides just like every other invention.

Firstly, the way the merit system is being earned. People are have to depend on sources to issue them merit based on their inputs.

Secondly, the pace of growth being slow. One has to satisfy activity as well as merit also to move up the rank ladder, if one of these conditions is satified leaving the other then the growth is impaired.

These basics have not settled in properly with a good percentage of the form users but it does help regulate the system and move along with those who give meaningful input into the forum.
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