Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software - page 30.

examplens

legendary

Activity: 3542

Merit: 3625

Crypto Swap Exchange

Quote from: alani123 on May 03, 2024, 10:31:33 AM

I don't wish that to anyone, so really I think them shutting down the privacy part of the project is the right choice for their own wellbeing. If anyone wants to fork it, they're free to do so. It better be done anonymously too so it's harder to get leads against anyone. Wasabi's team was very public with their development. I just hope feds don't come for them even after they shut down the privacy aspect of their software.

This decision is understandable, nothing is worth it for someone to spend time in prison.
It is quite obvious that this hunt by the US authorities against services that increase anonymity will also have some other effects, I believe unwanted for them. Legal services like Wasabi will remain in legal streams, but part of the functions (like Coinjoin) will be forked into a new "illegal" branch that they cannot control or punish. Too much pressure was always the wrong way.

alani123

legendary

Activity: 2422

Merit: 1451

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: DaveF on May 03, 2024, 10:27:04 AM

I just find the most interesting part that they stopped supporting people in the US and then just shut down.

So were most of the TXs coming from the US or was there other pressure or my view, that most people everywhere were just not using it and there was no profit to be made and this is just a convenient excuse to get rid of the service.

-Dave

I don't think you can realistically block users from a specific country with FOSS software. CZ is facing a prison sentence for simply the feds claiming users could overcome binance.com limitations with a VPN and fake ID. Wasabi didn't have KYC, didn't do IP checks, it was just FOSS software running locally. The devs could block the website to American IPs but it would be ridiculously easy to still get the software. So if the feds eyed privacy software they could just send the devs in prison, or at least make them face a very tedious court battle abroad like Julian Assange is.

I don't wish that to anyone, so really I think them shutting down the privacy part of the project is the right choice for their own wellbeing. If anyone wants to fork it, they're free to do so. It better be done anonymously too so it's harder to get leads against anyone. Wasabi's team was very public with their development. I just hope feds don't come for them even after they shut down the privacy aspect of their software.

Kruw

member

Activity: 378

Merit: 93

Enable v2transport=1 and mempoolfullrbf=1

Quote from: DaveF on May 03, 2024, 10:27:04 AM

I just find the most interesting part that they stopped supporting people in the US and then just shut down.

So were most of the TXs coming from the US or was there other pressure or my view, that most people everywhere were just not using it and there was no profit to be made and this is just a convenient excuse to get rid of the service.

-Dave

There's no problems of profitability, volumes are huge and growing:

DaveF

legendary

Activity: 3500

Merit: 6320

Crypto Swap Exchange

I just find the most interesting part that they stopped supporting people in the US and then just shut down.

So were most of the TXs coming from the US or was there other pressure or my view, that most people everywhere were just not using it and there was no profit to be made and this is just a convenient excuse to get rid of the service.

-Dave

Kruw

member

Activity: 378

Merit: 93

Enable v2transport=1 and mempoolfullrbf=1

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on May 03, 2024, 08:47:18 AM

Nobody in their right mind would use Wasabi after the thousand red flags

Wasabi is completely trustless software, there are no "red flags". You are a SCAMMER who lured people into custodians who stole their funds.

Quote from: Pmalek on May 03, 2024, 08:48:07 AM

Wasabi and zkSNACKs have failed. The mission is over. You have sold out everyone you possibly could, and now you are packing your bags.

You're WRONG. Wasabi is decentralized open source software, I run my own coordinator:

Quote from: Kruw on May 03, 2024, 07:33:34 AM

No it wasn't, I run my own coordinator. You can connect to it by adding this line to your Wasabi config file:

"MainNetCoordinatorUri": "https://btcpay.kruw.io/plugins/wabisabi-coordinator/",

Quote from: Pmalek on May 03, 2024, 08:48:07 AM

Wasabi could have gone down in history as one of the best in the game, but you didn't.

You're WRONG. Wasabi has turned over 300,000 non private Bitcoins into private Bitcoins. It is quite literally the most successful privacy project in Bitcoin.

Quote from: Pmalek on May 03, 2024, 08:48:07 AM

And you Kruw will be remembered as the lying and manipulative scum who was looking forward to someone's death.

What lie are you accusing me of? Use a direct quote. You are a SCAMMER who lured people into custodians who stole their funds.

Pmalek

legendary

Activity: 2730

Merit: 7065

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 08:01:53 PM

None of my time was wasted. I am proud of every Bitcointalk user I prevented from losing their coins and leaking their data to the custodial mixing scams promoted here by o_e_l_e_o, BlackHatCoiner, Pmalek, and others.

I saw the blog post yesterday, but didn't want to rub salt into the wound. Not because you don't deserve to. You do deserve it. But since you felt obliged to mention my name in the hour of your greatest failure, I will share a few words.

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 08:01:53 PM

Wasabi is the way forward.

Wasabi and zkSNACKs have failed. The mission is over. You have sold out everyone you possibly could, and now you are packing your bags. You have failed to provide privacy to your customers, but you were successful in cooperating with the enemy.

Despite your funding of blockchain analysis and working with your handlers, they didn't want you. That's what happens when you join the dark side. You get used and spit up. You shouldn't have done it. You were ready to drop to your knees and pull down your pants, but no one was interested.

Wasabi could have gone down in history as one of the best in the game, but you didn't. And you Kruw will be remembered as the lying and manipulative scum who was looking forward to someone's death. That someone, who, in contrast to you, wasn't ready to spread their cheeks.

Your mission is a failure!

BlackHatCoiner

legendary

Activity: 1512

Merit: 7340

Farewell, Leo

Quote from: alani123 on May 03, 2024, 07:41:03 AM

Seems too unclear, maybe the team hasn't figured it out either. From what I understand from the post though, the wallet will also remove the ability to run coinjoin features on other coordinators from upcoming updates?

They're in a quite difficult situation, as far as anyone can tell. The fact that they are shutting down the main coordinator means they'd probably having legal problems otherwise. The good question is if they'll continue developing Wasabi as privacy enhancing software in general. If I had to guess, they'll probably stop developing as time goes by.

Nobody in their right mind would use Wasabi after the thousand red flags, but still, the liquidity which was sitting on the main coordinator could attract those few left. Now that the authorities are hostile on everyone writing Bitcoin privacy software, they'll probably not switch to decentralized.

I might hate Wasabi. And I've done all I could to warn about their intentions and suspicious activities. But, even for my enemy, I wouldn't have wished being shut down by the state like that. Nobody deserves it, I think.

Kruw

member

Activity: 378

Merit: 93

Enable v2transport=1 and mempoolfullrbf=1

Quote from: alani123 on May 03, 2024, 07:59:49 AM

What I understand is that there won't be a continued support for coinjoin features on mainstream Wasabi. Yeah maybe someone could run an old release or fork it though but I was wondering about Wasabi as we know it, same team etc.

Most of the previous team will likely stop contributing without funding, and the maintainers will not be working on coinjoins. Fortunately, the open source project was launched 2 years ago and is a stable piece of software.

alani123

legendary

Activity: 2422

Merit: 1451

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: Kruw on May 03, 2024, 07:47:21 AM

Quote from: alani123 on May 03, 2024, 07:41:03 AM

With the main (only?) revenue source of Wasabi wallet gone, as well as its main feature, what will be the incentives moving forward?
Seems too unclear, maybe the team hasn't figured it out either. From what I understand from the post though, the wallet will also remove the ability to run coinjoin features on other coordinators from upcoming updates?

There's no plans to remove the coinjoin feature. It wouldn't matter if it was because the code has been open source since the very beginning, anyone can fork it.

When I read:

Quote

Wasabi Wallet will continue to function as a regular bitcoin wallet, users can generate private keys to receive and send bitcoin. Even without coinjoins, Wasabi’s client-side filtering architecture, Tor integration and custom coin selection make it the most private light wallet available. However, the nature of the bitcoin blockchain prevents users from obtaining complete privacy without coinjoins.

via

What I understand is that there won't be a continued support for coinjoin features on mainstream Wasabi. Yeah maybe someone could run an old release or fork it though but I was wondering about Wasabi as we know it, same team etc.

Kruw

member

Activity: 378

Merit: 93

Enable v2transport=1 and mempoolfullrbf=1

Quote from: alani123 on May 03, 2024, 07:41:03 AM

With the main (only?) revenue source of Wasabi wallet gone, as well as its main feature, what will be the incentives moving forward?
Seems too unclear, maybe the team hasn't figured it out either. From what I understand from the post though, the wallet will also remove the ability to run coinjoin features on other coordinators from upcoming updates?

There's no plans to remove the coinjoin feature. It wouldn't matter if it was because the code has been open source since the very beginning, anyone can fork it.

alani123

legendary

Activity: 2422

Merit: 1451

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 08:01:53 PM

Wasabi is the way forward. Now, more than ever, the Bitcoin community has to rally around it and let the coinjoins continue to flow.

With the main (only?) revenue source of Wasabi wallet gone, as well as its main feature, what will be the incentives moving forward?
Seems too unclear, maybe the team hasn't figured it out either. From what I understand from the post though, the wallet will also remove the ability to run coinjoin features on other coordinators from upcoming updates?

Kruw

member

Activity: 378

Merit: 93

Enable v2transport=1 and mempoolfullrbf=1

Quote from: NotATether on May 03, 2024, 07:24:05 AM

So in the end, all of your bickering about Wasabi's privacy versus other wallets was for nothing.

No it wasn't, I run my own coordinator. You can connect to it by adding this line to your Wasabi config file:

"MainNetCoordinatorUri": "https://btcpay.kruw.io/plugins/wabisabi-coordinator/",

NotATether

legendary

Activity: 1568

Merit: 6660

bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 12:33:06 PM

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-is-discontinuing-its-coinjoin-coordination-service-1st-of-june/

So in the end, all of your bickering about Wasabi's privacy versus other wallets was for nothing.

witcher_sense

legendary

Activity: 2478

Merit: 4419

🔐BitcoinMessage.Tools🔑

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 12:33:06 PM

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-is-discontinuing-its-coinjoin-coordination-service-1st-of-june/

Centralized privacy enchancing tools have always been nonsense.

ABCbits

legendary

Activity: 2870

Merit: 7490

Crypto Swap Exchange

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 12:33:06 PM

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-is-discontinuing-its-coinjoin-coordination-service-1st-of-june/

Damn, i just write this statement 5 days ago.

Quote from: ABCbits on April 26, 2024, 04:32:54 AM

Quote from: alani123 on April 25, 2024, 04:08:22 AM

What is the assessment here? Are Wassabi developers comfortable continuing to operate their company and develop their projects as they currently do given the developments regarding Samurai wallet? Hopefully it through reduced to no US ties they will have no problems.

If they stop WabiSabi (name of their CoinJoin protocol) development or their mainnet WabiSabi coordinator now, people will assume the controversial blacklist[1] isn't effective to ensure survival of zkSNACKS and what they develop. So i expect they'll continue do what they currently do.

[1] https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-blacklisting-update/

Anyway, does that mean zkSNACKs also stop developing WabiSabi protocol or new privacy feature?

satscraper

hero member

Activity: 714

Merit: 1298

I have never used CoinJoin believing that it creates illusion of improved privacy and at the same time jeopardies my bitcoin stash.

Nevertheless, I regret to witness such developments relevant to this technique as it is not certain now that other ones will be not harmstrung by policy.

Are we already in nineteen eighty four?

Kruw

member

Activity: 378

Merit: 93

Enable v2transport=1 and mempoolfullrbf=1

Quote from: dkbit98 on May 02, 2024, 02:40:32 PM

Totally expected.
RIP Wasabi.

Many of you guys (including kruw) wasted so much precious time arguing and fighting each other for months and years, and you don't understand that we all have the common enemy.

None of my time was wasted. I am proud of every Bitcointalk user I prevented from losing their coins and leaking their data to the custodial mixing scams promoted here by o_e_l_e_o, BlackHatCoiner, Pmalek, and others.

Wasabi is the way forward. Now, more than ever, the Bitcoin community has to rally around it and let the coinjoins continue to flow.

Z-tight

legendary

Activity: 1106

Merit: 1124

Wheel of Whales 🐳

After Samourai was taken down, i saw that some users were already saying Wasabi was next, it didn't take long and they didn't wait for the government to knock on their doors, so they decided to stop their CoinJoin service.

Quote from: dkbit98 on May 02, 2024, 02:40:32 PM

Things are more serious than people think and they will soon start to knock on doors because you said, wrote or did something years ago.

I agree with you, and with every privacy solution and services that gets taken down or quits their operation, the more i believe that Theymos was right with the decision he took on banning mixers in the forum, in order to 'protect' this platform from the government.

bitmover

legendary

Activity: 2352

Merit: 6089

bitcoindata.science

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 12:33:06 PM

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-is-discontinuing-its-coinjoin-coordination-service-1st-of-june/

Quote

This decision was made after careful consideration and with a heavy heart. Throughout our history, we have always made efforts to operate under legal clarity. At this point, we need to regain more certainty before moving forward.

Sad to see this. Looks like wasabi/zkSNACKs are afraid of legal problems similar to samourai.

I am happy to see wasabi will continue to work and to be funded by zkSNACKs. I hope you can implement lightning, swaps or some other stuff to make money and keep the good service.

dkbit98

legendary

Activity: 2212

Merit: 7064

Quote from: Kruw on May 02, 2024, 12:33:06 PM

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-is-discontinuing-its-coinjoin-coordination-service-1st-of-june/

Totally expected.
RIP Wasabi.

Many of you guys (including kruw) wasted so much precious time arguing and fighting each other for months and years, and you don't understand that we all have the common enemy.
Things are more serious than people think and they will soon start to knock on doors because you said, wrote or did something years ago.
Wasabi devs should not think they wont be arrested just because you stopped doing coinjoin after Samourai devs got arrested.

Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software - page 30. (Read 11758 times)