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Topic: WAVES - Complete Blockchain ecosystem for a token economy - page 40. (Read 131005 times)

legendary
Activity: 3178
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So I asked about usdn staking last time where you get usdn and stake it... then you earn a lot of interest.  But now since my post, it seems like the interest rate dropped a lot?  Its now 8.51% APY.  Wasn' it at least 11% months ago?   So why did it drop so much?

I see you could stake usdc and usdt and it shows 14.73% APY and 14.74% APY for each of them but it says it returns usdclp and usdtlp.  But these are not the same value as usdc and usdt?

So example you stake 1000 usdc and 1000 usdt a month... with those rates... how much are you earning a month?  Of course if you keep staking it for a long time it keeps compounding.  So if those rates are the same for the entire year... how much usdc and usdt would you earn if you stake that much worth of usdc and usdt?  Because i know APY isn't the same as interest percent but confused because 1 usdclop is worth like 1.17xxxxxxx usdc right now etc.

it's not worth that is why you need to stake the coins which are also increasing their value like the WAVES token itself. you will only earn about 5% but if its USD price grows, i think it's more worth it than earning stablecoin but the percentage is slowly diminishing. looking at WAVES today, it appears like this is the only token that continues to grow in the bearish market.
full member
Activity: 1750
Merit: 186
So I asked about usdn staking last time where you get usdn and stake it... then you earn a lot of interest.  But now since my post, it seems like the interest rate dropped a lot?  Its now 8.51% APY.  Wasn' it at least 11% months ago?   So why did it drop so much?



I see you could stake usdc and usdt and it shows 14.73% APY and 14.74% APY for each of them but it says it returns usdclp and usdtlp.  But these are not the same value as usdc and usdt?



So example you stake 1000 usdc and 1000 usdt a month... with those rates... how much are you earning a month?  Of course if you keep staking it for a long time it keeps compounding.  So if those rates are the same for the entire year... how much usdc and usdt would you earn if you stake that much worth of usdc and usdt?  Because i know APY isn't the same as interest percent but confused because 1 usdclop is worth like 1.17xxxxxxx usdc right now etc.
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 3

How is this possible if it's not a scam?
Shouldn't we get access to OUR money, immediately, like on another solid exchanges?
Why do I have to claim them here for over a year and a half, and why is there NO ANY CONSTRUCTIVE REACTION?
It seems that I am here alone. And only here, in this scam-shit is possible this debilistic situation.

Dude you are not alone!
many people have lost access to the cUSD (WUSD) trading pair and cannot use their money.


https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PCCgLjNPBfL3FXCtugsTwArSW614E8KNT2/tx

2 exchange transactions are visible on this wallet in 2019
but there is no Sasha's promised replacement of WUSD with USDT


9Tu6Wd9CXxSUETdB6kcM6BFHmD1iqjkJRpGwx7J5VLQe
1425.32 WUSD
0.13574477 WBTC

G7B1MDMHapeA8N8uu4GYbtsBL1qoQ2vpNMQAUw9Sp2tv
1933.2 WUSD
0.2 WBTC

any talk about a problem in the official chat leads to a ban
full member
Activity: 1589
Merit: 214

No, Waves is not a scam just because you don't know how to get your money back and don't know how to behave.

How is this possible if it's not a scam?
Shouldn't we get access to OUR money, immediately, like on another solid exchanges?
Why do I have to claim them here for over a year and a half, and why is there NO ANY CONSTRUCTIVE REACTION?
It seems that I am here alone. And only here, in this scam-shit is possible this debilistic situation.

STFU. And you will not teach me, how to behave me,
because my negative behavior,
after all,
this is a the result of the scam-actions of a rat scammers,
who stole our last money from us more than a year and a half ago.

What are you waited from me, after this yours cheap and primitive scam-shit? Good manners?
Where is OUR $500k?!!
But stop... I know... In scam Sasha's coinomat.

All proofs, I already posted in public.
But you all just continue to sit, and ignore this facts, and just delete my posts with scam-alerts of this fake-platform.
member
Activity: 592
Merit: 94
I once bet 100 Bitcoins on a 1:2 chance and lost.

No, Waves is not a scam just because you don't know how to get your money back and don't know how to behave.
member
Activity: 744
Merit: 29
www.MarquiseMuseum.com
Whenever this topic comes up waves always pumps +200% so everyone should just buy here at $16.

TurtleNetwork will be correcting to $1.4 because right now you can stake $9k worth of TN on Swop.Fi and gain as much interest equal to $400k in waves.

So I predict that LPs in TN pool will get rekt if they lock tokens there now and then TN goes +4000%.

Target is minimum 70 cents for TN, hold and then sell some there. No less. Let people pay for a good project, don't give away free tokens in LP. 140% APY is nothing compared to 4000% in a few months.
hero member
Activity: 601
Merit: 503
The Waves Team should answere questions on this forum on bitcointalk more. They don't understand that lots of (old) whales are only looking on this forum and are not on telegram or anything else.
member
Activity: 1320
Merit: 28




We do share your excitement about the duck farming functionality and we are ready to announce a new round in its honor!

Quote this tweet with a comment regarding your feelings about  farming and possible dreams that could come true thanks to this passive income! Add #WavesDucks $WAVES #NFT #DeFi hashtags + your Waves.Exchange's wallet address.

In this round, we do not limit your creativity to text-only tweets, you can also do videos or infographics about the farming.

This round will run through Monday 6:00 PM (CET). The maximum reward will reach 2 $EGG! Let's go!
member
Activity: 592
Merit: 94
I once bet 100 Bitcoins on a 1:2 chance and lost.
First of all, Waves is not a scam. It is one of the best blockchains out there.


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Did you request your refund in the set timeframe? If not, you are too late.

What timeframes are you talking about? What late do you mean??
I have been demanding my money, on this forum, for more than a year and a half.
I shouldn't demand anything at all, I should have access to my money at any time,
but only in this scam WavePlatform it is possible, to demand our money for a years.
Where is our money?

Well, according to Sashas answer, you did not apply the correct way to get a refund.
full member
Activity: 1589
Merit: 214
Of course, no any refunds, and no any compensations.

This debilistic scammers, after stole our money, even not responding on email since an April 2020.

Have you sent a complaint to the SEC?
No, this scammers are not americans, and I'm not american too, but UDHR is violated, in global legal field.
Do you really think, the SEC can help me to refund my $500k?
Maximum they can close this scam, forever, maybe.
And block their bank-accounts, then, and freeze their accounts with stoled dirty money,
as usually and always, americans did earlier.



Of course, no any refunds, and no any compensations.

This debilistic scammers, after stole our money, even not responding on email since an April 2020.

Did you request your refund in the set timeframe? If not, you are too late.

What timeframes are you talking about? What late do you mean??
I have been demanding my money, on this forum, for more than a year and a half.
I shouldn't demand anything at all, I should have access to my money at any time,
but only in this scam WavePlatform it is possible, to demand our money for a years.
Where is our money?
member
Activity: 592
Merit: 94
I once bet 100 Bitcoins on a 1:2 chance and lost.

Of course, no any refunds, and no any compensations.

This debilistic scammers, after stole our money, even not responding on email since an April 2020.

Did you request your refund in the set timeframe? If not, you are too late.
member
Activity: 1320
Merit: 28




With the launch of the farming feature at wavesducks.com, the Waves Ducks universe is complete! Things come full cycle as the ducks will lay $EGGs back to you. The earliest farmers will catch the highest APY!

Check more details
hero member
Activity: 601
Merit: 503
Is the Monero Gateway working? I am not sure, because Bitcoin Cash Gateway didn't work too. Can we deposit Monero to Waves Wallet for SWOP pool? Can you give information please, thanks!
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 3
Of course, no any refunds, and no any compensations.

This debilistic scammers, after stole our money, even not responding on email since an April 2020.

Have you sent a complaint to the SEC?
full member
Activity: 1589
Merit: 214
Pfffff. This scammers just continue spam large pictires in this topic,
they just continue to report a posts with scam-alerts,
moderators just continue to delete this posts with proofs of scams,
and in this censorship, they just continue to hold stoled money within a years ...

So debilistic scam.
Coinomat never returned your WUSD (cUSD)?
Of course, no any refunds, and no any compensations.

This debilistic scammers, after stole our money, even not responding on email since an April 2020.

And just lied, by using copy and paste shit, with few lines, in last email:



Right now, the value of the cryptocurrency they stole from us already exceeds $500k, because all prices and timestamps, was been fixed with a digital signatures.
And this is a proof of value of our assets, because this was equilibrium prices, and average market prices.

Also, I see a moderations, in this sections, and many my scam-alerts was been deleted, by moderators. WTF?
member
Activity: 744
Merit: 29
www.MarquiseMuseum.com
Does waves platform still being used by any project now? I haven't seen any successful token project launch on waves in the past years and i wonder where waves platform will go if no project uses them?

This is a very complex question which I will try and summarize because otherwise reply is too long:

1. Crypto market maturity today is different compared to when waves launched in 2016. There is a use case for tokenized products but as we can see all new top talent have their own ICO blockchains and as such waves use case as it was intended is indeed obsolete to capture top talent. For example the top talent Y combinator backed Opensea launched using Ethereum with their own solution simply because they are so talented that they don't need waves to do it. Same with Nifty, Makersplace, Foundationapp and so on. Waves token creation is becoming a niché division with limited monetization potential because the big money uses their own solutions and as such there is no userbase growth from talented onramping using waves token technology. I don't see any solution except directly rewarding ICOs for launching with waves but how will waves compete with billion dollar Y combinator funding? Impossible.

2. Waves token division can partially compete with top talent blockchain ICOs by power of a combined ecosystem such as its own coinmarketcap version and exchange which it already has. The problem in both cases is that waves exchange and wavescap are very restrictive in their listing process which causes imbalance because on one hand its understandable that they want top quality projects to be active there, but at the same time it is evident that all the top talent projects choose to deploy using bespoke solutions because it enables 100% economic control. For this reason, both waves exchange and wavescap should decrease barriers to entry and let community voting be determining factor for listing. It is important for small projects to gain qualified listing on waves for automatic visbility to investors otherwise they remain hidden and no one can find them without manual search or relying on third party information sources. For now, it is more difficult for small project to be listed on CMC, Wavescap and gain qualified token status on waves exchange, than raising VC capital and obtaining NASDAQ IPO, which of course is very imbalanced. I have myself given up on crypto as a method for startup expansion and am now instead trying to sell to legacy players like Hedge Fund or Museum. When I started in 2017 crypto was more open but now it is more closed than the old systems of government.

3. Waves token creation is user friendly and for example my project is still relying on it after 3.5 years for basic functionality of NFT tokenization but as was mentioned in 1. the importance of waves platform to run the full scale project is no longer a main factor but in this case it is because of special and unforseen developments such that most investment activity is in Ethereum and this project already has an Ethereum supply for its NFT which predates waves supply. And for this reason in this particular example, all the value is on Ethereum so not much resources is reserved for investing directly into waves.

4. Any token creator who is seeking exposure into waves for the token service is smarter to invest into TurtleNetwork because it is the exact same tech as waves but valued much lower. So the token creator will invest in TN instead of Waves because there are simply alot more benefits locking long term capital in TN and transferring liquidity into waves trading pairs when needed. The biggest benefit is that TN market cap is $4m compared to waves $2bn, so in essence you are buying market liquidity as if waves costed 4 cents instead of $19 at time of writing. I predict that TN will soon vertical to 40 cents simply for this reason as long as there is no major development problem. There is alot of crossover synergy between TN and waves such as SWOP fi liquidity, leasing pool and other interactions.

5. Waves is focusing on their own solutions in NFTs and DeFi and appear uninterested in third party collaborations. It seems they are successful in this choice so there is no reason to presume that the token division will be a determining factor for future growth when combined with the other 4 factors exemplified in this summary.

6. There is only 1 more thing that can make token division competitive and it is from community engagement by voting and permitting decentralized decision making but there is no incentive for anyone to implement this because centralized legacy systems are still superior during startup phase and the big players are the ones with all the money and retail community does not have an efficient method of decentralized crowdfunding on blockchain yet. Definately if waves can monetize token service through organized but decentralized crowdfunding it is a big step into competition again but it requires advanced coding which takes time and money. And for now waves is making money on their own DeFi and NFT solutions. The trend is towards Neofeudalist system of blockchain governance as opposed to Greek Democracy.

I personally was interested in waves for its token service but this was now 3.5 years ago when waves costed 60 cents. So today with the situation, investors should not put money into waves for the token service as this is basically obsolete and the main value drivers for waves as an ecosystem is DeFi staking and Binance futures speculation. It is a natural evolution and it is better to invest in TN if you intend to operate a token market on waves because it is like going back in time when waves costed 19 cents. In this case TN costs 4 cents so it is even better to establish a strong foundation for liquidity of your token market without overpaying for the other services such as DeFi and Ducks. Buying 100k-300k TN today at 4 cents will provide infinite liquidity into your token market on waves. As a novice startup it is better risk/reward for token experimentation using this technology. Finally it is advisable to limit investment size to $10k or less than 1% of portfolio into either waves or TN simply based on many years of examination of this economic structure and how it benefits a third party business. The cost/benefit is rather low compared to legacy systems but there is some growth potential perhaps x10-x100 over 1 to 5 years so it will outperform stock index but there is also more ways to lose 100% of money.

TLDR: waves token creation is dead and waves price can still go up without it because DeFi and NFT. Use TN as a hybrid solution to gain good value exposure into the core token creation service without overpaying for the other services.

Create the token on waves and lock market making money in TN for liquidity for your token instead of holding waves. Because buying a stack of TN is like buying waves at 4 cents, tech is the same.
hero member
Activity: 1316
Merit: 514
Does waves platform still being used by any project now? I haven't seen any successful token project launch on waves in the past years and i wonder where waves platform will go if no project uses them?
member
Activity: 1320
Merit: 28




May 2021 turned out to be a challenging month for the crypto world, but we never give up! Over the last few weeks, we crossed several major milestones and appreciated the real power of the Waves community.
 
Check out our latest updates and keep riding along with us!
legendary
Activity: 2660
Merit: 2229
https://t1p.de/6ghrf
What is happening with algo trading? Is it still working / doing something or is it exit scammed out and offline? (especially the BTC algo trading)
Can anyone give information on this -> thanks!

What kind of problems do you see?
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 3
Pfffff. This scammers just continue spam large pictires in this topic,
they just continue to report a posts with scam-alerts,
moderators just continue to delete this posts with proofs of scams,
and in this censorship, they just continue to hold stoled money within a years ...

So debilistic scam.

Coinomat never returned your WUSD (cUSD)?
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