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April 07, 2013, 09:55:18 AM
#83
Dear OP,

You do not understand bitcoin, nor its potential (yet) and what it was designed and will achieve. Bitcoin is not a commodity, expecting 'lvl'ing' out and easier 'ups and downs' simply will not happen.

People who are trying to 'make a quick buck' by treating the exchanges like stock houses are badly mistaken about the 'essence' of btc.

Buy some, put some away for the future, sell some later, or preferably use it now or later on items.

Expecting bitcoin to 'level out' so you can play with it and 'win' money is like thinking you can make a snowman and have snowball fights with a few flakes of snow... when an avalanche is coming.

Blink and you'll miss it.
Dear Jobe, if I don't understand bitcoin then you don't understand what I write. 


But what if someone understands what you write but think you're wrong?
Who, in that case, doesn't understand bitcoin or does.
Well, clearly, any who oppose the almighty DEATHCODE are in the wrong. Even to doubt that his statements are 100% TRUFAX is heresy. Wink

That said, Bitcoin is a digital commodity, and I expect that it will level out soon after we reach market saturation. Where the hell the price will be at that point is anybody's guess, though (I wouldn't trust proudhon on that one)

As long as the price of BTC continues to go up, you can say anything you want, but I'm making money. Am I wright or am I wrong? who cares, I'M MAKING MONEY!!!
Have you sold yet?
No?
Then you're not "making money." Once you have sold, then you will have made money. Right now, you are holding a very volatile commodity. Be as excited as you like about the increasing price of that commodity, but don't call it "making money" until you have cashed out into something more stable. Like that motorcycle you were wanting.

You have a great point here! I' not following my own advice. Let's call it "I'm potentially making more money than Friday" and that a month ago, and two months ago, and six months ago... better? The word potential should suffice. Smiley
And today I'm going to see another motorcycle! since you seem to remember that. We'll see how this one is, the one I went to see yesterday was a little scratched on one side and the guy is wanting to upgrade to an R1 which is what I'm going to check out today!

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April 07, 2013, 09:46:58 AM
#81
Dear OP,

You do not understand bitcoin, nor its potential (yet) and what it was designed and will achieve. Bitcoin is not a commodity, expecting 'lvl'ing' out and easier 'ups and downs' simply will not happen.

People who are trying to 'make a quick buck' by treating the exchanges like stock houses are badly mistaken about the 'essence' of btc.

Buy some, put some away for the future, sell some later, or preferably use it now or later on items.

Expecting bitcoin to 'level out' so you can play with it and 'win' money is like thinking you can make a snowman and have snowball fights with a few flakes of snow... when an avalanche is coming.

Blink and you'll miss it.
Dear Jobe, if I don't understand bitcoin then you don't understand what I write. 


But what if someone understands what you write but think you're wrong?
Who, in that case, doesn't understand bitcoin or does.
Well, clearly, any who oppose the almighty DEATHCODE are in the wrong. Even to doubt that his statements are 100% TRUFAX is heresy. Wink

That said, Bitcoin is a digital commodity, and I expect that it will level out soon after we reach market saturation. Where the hell the price will be at that point is anybody's guess, though (I wouldn't trust proudhon on that one)

As long as the price of BTC continues to go up, you can say anything you want, but I'm making money. Am I wright or am I wrong? who cares, I'M MAKING MONEY!!!
You can all laugh when the price falls below $8 and tell me how much money I could have had. In the mean time, I'm sorry but no matter how WRONG you think I am... at the end of the day guess what? I'M MAKING MONEY!!
What's the price today? $155 ohh... just look at that... Smiley I'M MAKING MORE MONEY than when the price was 142 last friday... who knew uh? Smiley
Sorry, but that's the bottom line here.
I'm not your friend, I'm not a colleague and we are not connected for being in a bitcoin forum. I'm here to make money and that's the ultimate goal. If I can help bitcoin in the process, great, I mine bitcoin also. If I can advocate for bitcoin so people will adopt it more and more even better, that will make me even more profits in the long run... so I'm still helping bitcoin. If bitcoins succeeds, I succeed!
So far it's working out for me... I hope it's working out for you guys!
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April 07, 2013, 09:31:06 AM
#79
Dear OP,

You do not understand bitcoin, nor its potential (yet) and what it was designed and will achieve. Bitcoin is not a commodity, expecting 'lvl'ing' out and easier 'ups and downs' simply will not happen.

People who are trying to 'make a quick buck' by treating the exchanges like stock houses are badly mistaken about the 'essence' of btc.

Buy some, put some away for the future, sell some later, or preferably use it now or later on items.

Expecting bitcoin to 'level out' so you can play with it and 'win' money is like thinking you can make a snowman and have snowball fights with a few flakes of snow... when an avalanche is coming.

Blink and you'll miss it.
Dear Jobe, if I don't understand bitcoin then you don't understand what I write. 


But what if someone understands what you write but think you're wrong?
Who, in that case, doesn't understand bitcoin or does.


He claims I dont understand bitcoin, then he suggested the following:

"Buy some, put some away for the future, sell some later, or preferably use it now or later on items."

He obviously doesn't know that's what I'm doing for the most part, and it's stated all over my posts... so that is PROOF that he doesn't understand what I write! (.)
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April 07, 2013, 08:58:56 AM
#77
Dear OP,

You do not understand bitcoin, nor its potential (yet) and what it was designed and will achieve. Bitcoin is not a commodity, expecting 'lvl'ing' out and easier 'ups and downs' simply will not happen.

People who are trying to 'make a quick buck' by treating the exchanges like stock houses are badly mistaken about the 'essence' of btc.

Buy some, put some away for the future, sell some later, or preferably use it now or later on items.

Expecting bitcoin to 'level out' so you can play with it and 'win' money is like thinking you can make a snowman and have snowball fights with a few flakes of snow... when an avalanche is coming.

Blink and you'll miss it.
Dear Jobe, if I don't understand bitcoin then you don't understand what I write. 
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April 06, 2013, 05:06:22 PM
#73

I'll address your last statement first:
So what are you doing here? you seem to be very bearish towards bitcoin. I'm not sure why are you following bitcoin at all... Just go pursue other investment options. I don't see you talking about developing businesses in bitcoin nor helping bitcoin in any way.

I have been using Bitcoins to make Silk Road purchases since 2010. The cheapest coins I bought were less than £3 and the most expensive around £15. Since I use Bitcoins for the purpose they were intended to be used for, and you see them only as a means to enrich yourself, I guess that kind of does make me a Bitcoin participant that contributes to the Bitcoin economy, whereas you, as a speculator, are parasiting from the whole Bitcoin economy. Which is what may kill it.

I have been very interested in the whole concept of Bitcoin and the opportunities it could offer mankind. The recent action in the Bitcoin market however, I view as highly negative for the long term health of the currency. Just to be quite clear, I am not riding any moral high horse due to the fact that I spend all my Bitcoins and have kept hardly any in my wallets, because obviously I am kicking myself that I never invested anything in them when I had every intent and opportunity to do so.

Regarding my 'bearish' attitude towards Bitcoin, only a fool could possibly think that Bitcoin isn't due for a heavy correction, if not indeed a near price collapse. That doesn't mean that Bitcoin may not triple or quadruple between now and then, because it might, and if it did, then anyone investing in them today (wont be me, that is for sure), would be rewarded with dazzling profit margins. Me personally, I would even be reluctant to use them to make any sizable Silk Road purchase as in my opinion, there always exists a huge risk that large chunks of the value of these coins can be wiped out in the time it takes for me to get the coins purchased, transferred to my Silk Road wallet, and then for the order to be processed. If I feel that way as a customer, I hate to think how I would feel as a vendor.

Well, if you use silk road and you spend your bitcoins, that's your choice and it is respect it.
Your statement of me saying that I don't contribute to the bitcoin economy is like saying that people who has savings accounts do not contribute to the economy for saving their dollars... or people who saved gold for that matter. There are different purposes that are personal and everybody has their own and all purposes are part of the economy. Some save, some-recirculate.
I mine bitcoins, I spent a decent amount of money in hardware to mine them and learn the technology. My hashrate is 4Ghash, it's not much, but I have been validating transactions for a year now, so I do help the network and I get my rewards.
Also, yesterday I sold bitcoins to a guy who was waiting to get verified in Mt.Gox and since I had Fiat, I bought them right away and I made myself a decent commission and now the guy want's to buy 7 more BTC...
So I'm contributing the by recirculating bitcoins! I'm just waiting to get more fiat into MtGox so I can rebuy as soon as I sell...
As far as my bullish position, I'm willing to take the risk holding my bitcoins long term. Again bitcoin are not a source of income to me, so the money I have sitting in bitcoin is just bitcoin to me until I cash out. if bitcoin suffer a huge correction, so be it. Actually, in the history of currencies and stocks and commodities, they all suffer corrections from time to time so I don't know why bitcoin couldn't. At one point I'll take my winnings and cash out, which I already stated that it's planned and an objective has been set if the price goal is met.
If you don't like my approach, that's ok. I have no problem with you using SR so I don't know why you have a problem with me saving them.

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April 06, 2013, 12:06:57 AM
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April 05, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
#67
Well, I respectfully disagree with your theory.
As is your right.
Also, there is no reason to believe that MTGox statement is inaccurate.
Nor any reason to take it as fact, either. It should be noted, of course, that it doesn't contradict my proposed theory, nor does it back yours up.


We are back at square 0.
Basically, you're skeptical of their statement for whatever reason, and I'm not.
Also, it does backup my posture unless you're right and their statement is inaccurate.
What makes more sense? that they issue an inaccurate statement or that they issue a statement that is based on their findings?
Occam's Razor.
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April 05, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
#65
The funny thing is, I agree that MTGox's central position is absurd.
I agree that the price is bound to be higher in the future.
I agree that MTGox's stability can affect the market price... at least on MTGox.

But you refuse to countenance the idea that the instability might have saved us from a deeper dip, and that's funny. And a little sad, because your only evidence to the contrary amounts to "MTGox said so."

So, we'll agree to disagree, so long you're OK with me considering you a moron.

First of all, I don't recall me calling you names, and second, I'm not sure I understand how the instability on MTGox saved us from a deeper dip in price, so please elaborate that and that seems like a new twist in our argument.
It's only a new twist if you haven't actually been reading what I've been writing. I've used that at least twice. Which brings me to my second point. I'm not calling you names, I am making an observation of your perceived intelligence, based on your ability to accept new information, and your willingness to accept a PR statement as fact.

Let me sum up my theory that MTGox's instability prevented a deeper dip:
Panic sell starts. Instability prevents users from entering new sell orders, or altering their buy orders. Buy orders are executed automatically, panic sell hits wall, price stabilizes. Users get back on, see stable price, and cease panicking.

You'll note also, that this meshes well with the theory that the panic sell caused the instability... if a constant DDoS is on-going, and suddenly there's more legit activity, such as a panic sell, the servers may well be unable to handle it.

Well, I respectfully disagree with your theory.
Also, there is no reason to believe that MTGox statement is inaccurate.
And regarding your perception of my intelligence is in my opinion erroneous to say the least but he, you're free to think anything you want Smiley
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April 05, 2013, 05:42:46 PM
#63
The funny thing is, I agree that MTGox's central position is absurd.
I agree that the price is bound to be higher in the future.
I agree that MTGox's stability can affect the market price... at least on MTGox.

But you refuse to countenance the idea that the instability might have saved us from a deeper dip, and that's funny. And a little sad, because your only evidence to the contrary amounts to "MTGox said so."

So, we'll agree to disagree, so long you're OK with me considering you a moron.

First of all, I don't recall me calling you names, and second, I'm not sure I understand how the instability on MTGox saved us from a deeper dip in price, so please elaborate that and that seems like a new twist in our argument.
Also, going back to the first point, I'm OK with you considering me a moron... actually I'm perfectly fine with anyone in this whole forum considering me a moron.
I can give you some facts on my position with bitcoin if you like, I'm sure you'll be ok if people think you're a moron but you're close to 1800% profit. Again, I'm sure there are early adopters out there with even more coins and way better entry points, I'm still happy.
If you're happy, then we're all happy! Smiley
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April 05, 2013, 04:27:26 PM
#61
MTGox is the biggest exchange for bitcoins in terms of transactions and volume, although some people seem to disagree on this. They process more than 70% of the whole exchange market.
That being said, it's easy to see why a collapse, a DoS attack, a hack can cause people to panic and sell (Remember 2011?)
Quite clearly. My question remains, though: If your confidence is shaken so much that you feel you must get your money out of that service, why would you, instead of withdrawing bitcoins, and selling elsewhere, sell there, and hope they have the USD to cover it? Certainly you're not implying that Bitcoin's stability is dependent on MTGox's?

Honestly, after the facts presented, do you still believe that a big sell was the cause of the panic?
Still waiting on facts - and not opinions - to be presented. I'll let you know once you present some facts.

How do they hide the "big sell" transaction from MTGox so MtGox doesn't take action against that particular account?
You're assuming that they would. They would need concrete proof that the DDoS is coming from that person. Not just a coincidence of timing.

We can go on and on with this, my contention won't change and I believe it's the most logical explanation. Can I be wrong? sure. But the evidence is enough for me to believe that I'm right.
By "evidence," you mean the statement you linked to earlier? I've yet to see any other evidence presented.

By the by, you are aware that all Gox's buy and sell orders are a matter of public record, and easily accessible? I can look just as well as you can, and the longer this continues with you not presenting any hard facts, the more likely it is that I go do that. What do you want to bet I find a nice large sale right at the start of the "crash"?


Again, we are not going to arrive to an agreement. I believe I'm right based on the facts presented. If you don't consider those facts, that's your contention.
Also, MTGox stability affects the value of bitcoin, for better or worst, if you disagree with that, then it's silliness and this conversation arrived to a point where you're not thinking straight.
I'm going to clearly state this one more time:
"Certainly you're not implying that Bitcoin's stability is dependent on MTGox's?"

Yes, bitcoin price stability is dependent on MTGox's ability to stay out of trouble.
It was proven over and over, it was proven by the hacking in 2011 and it was proven by the DoS attacks and the flash crashes that we experienced in the past few weeks.
You can quote me on this and call me crazy, stupid and all you want. If you disagree with this statement, I really can't do much for you anymore and I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors with bitcoin.
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April 05, 2013, 04:21:19 PM
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April 05, 2013, 03:41:30 PM
#58
Again, you were assuming all this time, that there was an initial BIG SELL at first, and I'm telling you that that's not the case.
Now that is a provable assertion. So prove it.
Again, I provided you supporting evidence (I'll have to be clear in my wording now) that it was the case. Yet, you misinterpret that evidence assuming things that are probably not true.
You kind of contradict yourself in the interpretations, you play the semantics game first talking about proof and supporting evidence, yet, you misinterpret or assume that by "sell" MTGox's statement meant "Big Sell"
I guess I rest my case here and again, I believe MTGox and their supporting evidence.

You're not even going to prove your assertion that there was not a BIG sell that started it all? Seems like that's a very easy assertion to prove... and your refusal implies that you can't.

To clarify: proof is data. Not somebody making a statement on their website. Thankfully, that data is available. Feel free to provide it.
I see what you did there  Cool

Let's assess the fact ok? because I believe your mind is in this state of "I must win this argument" when in fact, you should be thinking logically:

FACTS:

* There was an initial sell.

Big? Small? We do not know, but what do we know and can infer from this?:
Correction: I do not know whether this sell was large or small. You, presumably, have looked at the charts, and thus determined where and when the selloff started, and should thereby know the value of the original sell. Right? Or are you basing all of this, your entire argument, on the statement from the guys at Gox?

* The initial sell was performed by the attacker
Presumably. Of course, we only have Gox's statement to that effect.

* The initial sell was to gain the most value for the coin at the highest price
Given that this is the motivation behind all sell orders, large and small, malicious or virtuous, I think we can take that at face value.

If you agree to those two statements, we can proceed...

FACT:

* The attacker launches the DoS attack after a sell as stated by MTGox.
Presumably. But again, we only have Gox's statement to go by, for that. Unless, of course, they're willing to provide IP logs.

THE BIG QUESTION

Does the initial sell cause the sell-off or the destabilization of the trading engine does?

Yes, that is what we're discussing here.

Now, I have a question for you to answer:

People sell buy and sell ALL the time at MTGox. What makes THAT initial "sell" so special to cause a sell-off?
I believe this has been established. A large sell order can trigger a panic. Thus, the special feature of this sell is it's size.

The return question:
Websites (especially ones under near-constant DDoS attacks) experience outages all the time. What makes MTGox so special that being unable to log in, or make a trade, would cause someone to panic and sell all their coins using that very system?

Please think logically before answering and let your biased obsession for winning this argument go.

And that's all I have to say about that.
You might be wise to take your own advice, here.

"believe this has been established. A large sell order can trigger a panic. Thus, the special feature of this sell is it's size."

Agreed, a large sell can trigger a panic, again, MTGox can detect that and pinpoint  the original transaction and find WHO the attacker is.
You'd think MTGox can easily spot That first sell transaction and that's why my contention is that such large sell didn't take place! it'd be easily detected. Again, I don't expect at this point to agree with me. Its been proven that you don't.  I don't really care about trying to convince you, I'm just pointing out the logical approach in why it is my contention that there wasn't a big sell that caused the panic and the DoS was responsible.


Websites (especially ones under near-constant DDoS attacks) experience outages all the time. What makes MTGox so special that being unable to log in, or make a trade, would cause someone to panic and sell all their coins using that very system?

MTGox is the biggest exchange for bitcoins in terms of transactions and volume, although some people seem to disagree on this. They process more than 70% of the whole exchange market.
That being said, it's easy to see why a collapse, a DoS attack, a hack can cause people to panic and sell (Remember 2011?)
Honestly, after the facts presented, do you still believe that a big sell was the cause of the panic?
How do they hide the "big sell" transaction from MTGox so MtGox doesn't take action against that particular account?
We can go on and on with this, my contention won't change and I believe it's the most logical explanation. Can I be wrong? sure. But the evidence is enough for me to believe that I'm right.
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April 07, 2013, 09:52:09 AM
#57
Dear OP,

You do not understand bitcoin, nor its potential (yet) and what it was designed and will achieve. Bitcoin is not a commodity, expecting 'lvl'ing' out and easier 'ups and downs' simply will not happen.

People who are trying to 'make a quick buck' by treating the exchanges like stock houses are badly mistaken about the 'essence' of btc.

Buy some, put some away for the future, sell some later, or preferably use it now or later on items.

Expecting bitcoin to 'level out' so you can play with it and 'win' money is like thinking you can make a snowman and have snowball fights with a few flakes of snow... when an avalanche is coming.

Blink and you'll miss it.
Dear Jobe, if I don't understand bitcoin then you don't understand what I write. 


But what if someone understands what you write but think you're wrong?
Who, in that case, doesn't understand bitcoin or does.
Well, clearly, any who oppose the almighty DEATHCODE are in the wrong. Even to doubt that his statements are 100% TRUFAX is heresy. Wink

That said, Bitcoin is a digital commodity, and I expect that it will level out soon after we reach market saturation. Where the hell the price will be at that point is anybody's guess, though (I wouldn't trust proudhon on that one)

As long as the price of BTC continues to go up, you can say anything you want, but I'm making money. Am I wright or am I wrong? who cares, I'M MAKING MONEY!!!
Have you sold yet?
No?
Then you're not "making money." Once you have sold, then you will have made money. Right now, you are holding a very volatile commodity. Be as excited as you like about the increasing price of that commodity, but don't call it "making money" until you have cashed out into something more stable. Like that motorcycle you were wanting.
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April 07, 2013, 09:32:21 AM
#56
Dear OP,

You do not understand bitcoin, nor its potential (yet) and what it was designed and will achieve. Bitcoin is not a commodity, expecting 'lvl'ing' out and easier 'ups and downs' simply will not happen.

People who are trying to 'make a quick buck' by treating the exchanges like stock houses are badly mistaken about the 'essence' of btc.

Buy some, put some away for the future, sell some later, or preferably use it now or later on items.

Expecting bitcoin to 'level out' so you can play with it and 'win' money is like thinking you can make a snowman and have snowball fights with a few flakes of snow... when an avalanche is coming.

Blink and you'll miss it.
Dear Jobe, if I don't understand bitcoin then you don't understand what I write. 


But what if someone understands what you write but think you're wrong?
Who, in that case, doesn't understand bitcoin or does.
Well, clearly, any who oppose the almighty DEATHCODE are in the wrong. Even to doubt that his statements are 100% TRUFAX is heresy. Wink

That said, Bitcoin is a digital commodity, and I expect that it will level out soon after we reach market saturation. Where the hell the price will be at that point is anybody's guess, though (I wouldn't trust proudhon on that one)
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April 07, 2013, 09:17:22 AM
#55
Dear OP,

You do not understand bitcoin, nor its potential (yet) and what it was designed and will achieve. Bitcoin is not a commodity, expecting 'lvl'ing' out and easier 'ups and downs' simply will not happen.

People who are trying to 'make a quick buck' by treating the exchanges like stock houses are badly mistaken about the 'essence' of btc.

Buy some, put some away for the future, sell some later, or preferably use it now or later on items.

Expecting bitcoin to 'level out' so you can play with it and 'win' money is like thinking you can make a snowman and have snowball fights with a few flakes of snow... when an avalanche is coming.

Blink and you'll miss it.
Dear Jobe, if I don't understand bitcoin then you don't understand what I write. 


But what if someone understands what you write but think you're wrong?
Who, in that case, doesn't understand bitcoin or does.
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April 06, 2013, 07:46:38 PM
#54
Dear OP,

You do not understand bitcoin, nor its potential (yet) and what it was designed and will achieve. Bitcoin is not a commodity, expecting 'lvl'ing' out and easier 'ups and downs' simply will not happen.

People who are trying to 'make a quick buck' by treating the exchanges like stock houses are badly mistaken about the 'essence' of btc.

Buy some, put some away for the future, sell some later, or preferably use it now or later on items.

Expecting bitcoin to 'level out' so you can play with it and 'win' money is like thinking you can make a snowman and have snowball fights with a few flakes of snow... when an avalanche is coming.

Blink and you'll miss it.
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April 06, 2013, 06:09:33 PM
#53
That said, I think deathcode is probably right, and the attack on him seems undeserved.

What he and MatTheCat have going is their own thing. I simply suggested that the "crash" could have overloaded the servers with legit activity, and he refuses to accept even the possibility. This fact, and the fact that his only reasoning for this refusal is "MTGox said they're under heavy DDos" is what has lost him my respect.
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April 06, 2013, 05:38:30 PM
#52
...TLDR...
Occam's Razor.
Well, there you go.

Look people, you won't get PROOF - any number of scenarios are possible depending on the actors...

Let's say Gox shuts down 20 out of 25 servers, announces a fake DDOS attack, and buys up coin themselves
only if/when people panic?  There is plenty of money to be made, so people will use their brainpower to scam...
A huge correction is likely - there will be big losers and big winners.

That said, I think deathcode is probably right, and the attack on him seems undeserved.
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April 06, 2013, 04:09:29 PM
#51

I'll address your last statement first:
So what are you doing here? you seem to be very bearish towards bitcoin. I'm not sure why are you following bitcoin at all... Just go pursue other investment options. I don't see you talking about developing businesses in bitcoin nor helping bitcoin in any way.

I have been using Bitcoins to make Silk Road purchases since 2010. The cheapest coins I bought were less than £3 and the most expensive around £15. Since I use Bitcoins for the purpose they were intended to be used for, and you see them only as a means to enrich yourself, I guess that kind of does make me a Bitcoin participant that contributes to the Bitcoin economy, whereas you, as a speculator, are parasiting from the whole Bitcoin economy. Which is what may kill it.

I have been very interested in the whole concept of Bitcoin and the opportunities it could offer mankind. The recent action in the Bitcoin market however, I view as highly negative for the long term health of the currency. Just to be quite clear, I am not riding any moral high horse due to the fact that I spend all my Bitcoins and have kept hardly any in my wallets, because obviously I am kicking myself that I never invested anything in them when I had every intent and opportunity to do so.

Regarding my 'bearish' attitude towards Bitcoin, only a fool could possibly think that Bitcoin isn't due for a heavy correction, if not indeed a near price collapse. That doesn't mean that Bitcoin may not triple or quadruple between now and then, because it might, and if it did, then anyone investing in them today (wont be me, that is for sure), would be rewarded with dazzling profit margins. Me personally, I would even be reluctant to use them to make any sizable Silk Road purchase as in my opinion, there always exists a huge risk that large chunks of the value of these coins can be wiped out in the time it takes for me to get the coins purchased, transferred to my Silk Road wallet, and then for the order to be processed. If I feel that way as a customer, I hate to think how I would feel as a vendor.
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April 05, 2013, 08:22:46 PM
#50
Yay, the idiots finally realized that they don't need to quote 9 feet of text in every reply! (took them a page or so of bickering to figure that out, though.)

Quote-pruning provides much-needed rest for my scroll finger.

 Grin Grin Grin

Oh yes, and this reply: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/we-can-breath-now-167277 which I stuck in my signature, exactly sums up my opinions regarding the bitcoin code/protocol and what we really need to do to allow it to succeed. Gavin and friends are like the momma bird not quite ready to let her little duckling leave the nest... we need to take bitcoin's training wheels (and concrete-filled tires, and retarded random magic numbers) off, extrapolate a protocol already (and stick to it) so other people can make better clients, get rid of buggy external dependencies, and oh yeah - P2P exchanges would just be the icing on the cake. I know there are a couple in development that I've been meaning to start testing. Let's get on this shit folks.
I would donate to the bitcoin foundation to help spur development but from what I've read, they aren't even remotely interested in what I'm talking about. I can't code so my only options are to donate money or complain; I guess I'll stick with the latter for now until the former becomes effective.
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