We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on September 09, 2014, 09:10:58 PM

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Quote from: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 03:00:18 PM

Do you have any idea how contradictory your Subject is?
"We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem"

A gun culture problem IS a culture problem!

And we will not sort that by letting our youth glorify guns on television, in their video games, in their music, and in the media, with all those mass shootings.

Fuck freedom of expression!

Interestingly enough, on the chart of countries with the most well-armed population, we're the only country to have school shootings on such a regular basis

That'll happen when you make it illegal for all sane law-abiding teachers and staff to effectively defend the children they are entrusted to (human shield is NOT effective defense), leave multiple points in school perimeters unguarded and easy as butter to slip through.

It makes no sense to disarm teachers. We are so misunderstood about gun control.

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Quote from: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 08:34:46 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on September 09, 2014, 05:25:24 PM

Quote from: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 03:00:18 PM

Do you have any idea how contradictory your Subject is?
"We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem"

A gun culture problem IS a culture problem!

And we will not sort that by letting our youth glorify guns on television, in their video games, in their music, and in the media, with all those mass shootings.

Fuck freedom of expression!

Interestingly enough, on the chart of countries with the most well-armed population, we're the only country to have school shootings on such a regular basis

That'll happen when you make it illegal for all sane law-abiding teachers and staff to effectively defend the children they are entrusted to (human shield is NOT effective defense), leave multiple points in school perimeters unguarded and easy as butter to slip through.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on September 09, 2014, 05:25:24 PM

Quote from: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 03:00:18 PM

Do you have any idea how contradictory your Subject is?
"We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem"

A gun culture problem IS a culture problem!

And we will not sort that by letting our youth glorify guns on television, in their video games, in their music, and in the media, with all those mass shootings.

Fuck freedom of expression!

Interestingly enough, on the chart of countries with the most well-armed population, we're the only country to have school shootings on such a regular basis

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Quote from: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 03:00:18 PM

Do you have any idea how contradictory your Subject is?
"We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem"

A gun culture problem IS a culture problem!

And we will not sort that by letting our youth glorify guns on television, in their video games, in their music, and in the media, with all those mass shootings.

Fuck freedom of expression!

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Quote from: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: BADecker on September 09, 2014, 03:02:10 PM

We have a government problem. The few places in the U.S. that require everyday folks to wear a gun, have the safest neighborhoods around.

There are no places that "require" the citizens to "wear" guns, they just acknowledge the citizens' constitutional right to bear arms, without any government infringement. Gun control is a direct impediment on our Second Amendment. In Switzerland, every one in two citizens bears a firearm, and it has the lowest crime rate in the world.

Open carry does reduce crime.

Okay, it's the head of house required to own a gun: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/02/us/georgia-gun-requirement/.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 09, 2014, 03:06:12 PM

Quote from: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: BADecker on September 09, 2014, 03:02:10 PM

We have a government problem. The few places in the U.S. that require everyday folks to wear a gun, have the safest neighborhoods around.

There are no places that "require" the citizens to "wear" guns, they just acknowledge the citizens' constitutional right to bear arms, without any government infringement. Gun control is a direct impediment on our Second Amendment. In Switzerland, every one in two citizens bears a firearm, and it has the lowest crime rate in the world.

Open carry does reduce crime.

And, it almost forces you to get to know your neighbors. When you have a strong neighborhood alliance, even if it is informal, you have REAL strength.

Amen to that!

However, this won't work if there is a minority excluded from the neighborhood watch.

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Quote from: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: BADecker on September 09, 2014, 03:02:10 PM

We have a government problem. The few places in the U.S. that require everyday folks to wear a gun, have the safest neighborhoods around.

There are no places that "require" the citizens to "wear" guns, they just acknowledge the citizens' constitutional right to bear arms, without any government infringement. Gun control is a direct impediment on our Second Amendment. In Switzerland, every one in two citizens bears a firearm, and it has the lowest crime rate in the world.

Open carry does reduce crime.

And, it almost forces you to get to know your neighbors. When you have a strong neighborhood alliance, even if it is informal, you have REAL strength.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 09, 2014, 03:02:10 PM

We have a government problem. The few places in the U.S. that require everyday folks to wear a gun, have the safest neighborhoods around.

There are no places that "require" the citizens to "wear" guns, they just acknowledge the citizens' constitutional right to bear arms, without any government infringement. Gun control is a direct impediment on our Second Amendment. In Switzerland, every one in two citizens bears a firearm, and it has the lowest crime rate in the world.

Open carry does reduce crime.

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We have a government problem. The few places in the U.S. that require everyday folks to wear a gun, have the safest neighborhoods around.

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Do you have any idea how contradictory your Subject is?
"We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem"

A gun culture problem IS a culture problem!

And we will not sort that by letting our youth glorify guns on television, in their video games, in their music, and in the media, with all those mass shootings.

I think we have a mental health issue disguised as a gun violence issue.

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Quote from: RobFordWotWot on August 20, 2014, 07:36:18 PM

I saw a video of some dude in China slashing random people with two meat cleavers.

Since they couldn't shoot him two guys had to run in and tackle him while he was distracted.

Insanity.

"It is morally superior to be butchered alive than successfully defend against that butcher with your firearm, in violation of criminal safety laws."

Sadly this is the truth Cry

The funny thing is the proliferation of firearms is only going to increase in the coming years, thanks to the individualization of the means of production in the form of 3D Printers, CNC Mills, and Sintering Machines. Technology is on the side of the individual, technology only seeks to create a leverage effect to the labor of the individual, in the end true power(monopoly on force) will lay in the hands of individuals, not governments.

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Quote from: RobFordWotWot on August 20, 2014, 07:36:18 PM

I saw a video of some dude in China slashing random people with two meat cleavers.

Since they couldn't shoot him two guys had to run in and tackle him while he was distracted.

Insanity.

"It is morally superior to be butchered alive than successfully defend against that butcher with your firearm, in violation of criminal safety laws."

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I saw a video of some dude in China slashing random people with two meat cleavers.

Since they couldn't shoot him two guys had to run in and tackle him while he was distracted.

Insanity.

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Quote from: NotLambchop on August 20, 2014, 12:48:23 PM

Fun with numbers you kids might'a missed:

Quote from: Arriemoller on August 20, 2014, 07:17:11 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
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We Americans are doing fine, thanks.
For every 100 Americans--not just able-bodied adults but everybody--the aforementioned lunatics on meds, incontinent octogenarians, waddled babes--we gots moar than 75 privately-owned nugs.
We ain't got nottin' to be 'shamed of, we's undisputed champeens!
NOWHERES ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH has moar per-capita guns than here, in my land of the free, home of the brave. No one even comes close. Nosir. If ya got a hankerin' to do some killin', odds are better than not you gots yous a gun to do it with, and dat's a na'ch'ral fact!

Thanks for your concern tho, Lethn and Arriemoller, I think we got it from here!
(Which gun-deprived, God-forsaken, culturally barren backwaters do you gents hail from?)

Why this proves it.

Us Amerikkans have fewer bangs of gun violence PER GUN than anywhere else on the Playnet.

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Beyond Imagination

Game of the year is GTA5, people enjoy this kind of fun Grin

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Fun with numbers you kids might'a missed:

Quote from: Arriemoller on August 20, 2014, 07:17:11 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
...

We Americans are doing fine, thanks.
For every 100 Americans--not just able-bodied adults but everybody--the aforementioned lunatics on meds, incontinent octogenarians, waddled babes--we gots moar than 75 privately-owned nugs.
We ain't got nottin' to be 'shamed of, we's undisputed champeens!
NOWHERES ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH has moar per-capita guns than here, in my land of the free, home of the brave. No one even comes close. Nosir. If ya got a hankerin' to do some killin', odds are better than not you gots yous a gun to do it with, and dat's a na'ch'ral fact!

Thanks for your concern tho, Lethn and Arriemoller, I think we got it from here!
(Which gun-deprived, God-forsaken, culturally barren backwaters do you gents hail from?)

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Win!

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Quote from: Hamuki on August 20, 2014, 05:37:57 AM

Quote from: Lethn on August 20, 2014, 05:35:06 AM

That's because in other parts of the world we don't use unnecessary amounts of drugs on people claiming they have mental problems.

You cant tell me that every single kill from the 10k+ a year that dies in the US is a psycho on drugs.

If you want to own a gun.. A 9mm pistol then you should have military training to be able to own it.

There is no reason to own a rifle if you arent a hunter.

Certainly psycho killers are a very rare phenomena. Most gun deaths are perpetrated by sane criminals, and mostly to kill other professional criminals. However, I do not see the logic in your idea about who should be able to own a gun. Why should military training be part of the equation? Such training is training to locate and kill the enemy without the burden of laws or thinking. The military trains you to shoot to kill as soon as you see the right shape silhouette. After WW2 the training was perfected until they could get about 80% of soldiers to instinctively shoot before the gravity of their actions sets in. (up from the normal %20). Such training is wholly inappropriate for civilian defense an police work. A better idea would be a required de-programing for anyone who has had military training.

I also don't get why you make an exception for hunting? Why do I have to kill something or be a trained professional killer before I can own a gun?

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Holy shit! That's actually the first time I've seen somebody post a fraction used in a politically leaned article that actually has a significant amount of backing and proper evidence behind it with a significant amount of people and data involved!

No really, I'm actually glad Cheesy

You shouldn't have picked fox news but I can find better articles on this elsewhere. < been extremely pissed off with the way people use fractions and percentages in their arguments lately

In that case, you're right, it looks like the amount of psychiatric drugs used in your average person is lower, I still maintain that when it comes to the mass shootings which most people cite it's a main cause though but I'll look for more evidence.

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