Topic: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. - page 4. (Read 5324 times)
August 19, 2014, 06:35:24 PM
But who knows, the 3D printer might just be the first step towards a Star Trek like replicator, and then you can just order some Earl Grey, hot, and a box of 9mm parabellum.
August 19, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Actually the main and important point is that it is a right in the USA and a privilege in most other countries.
And interestingly, now with Bitcoin the question arises whether fiat currency is a right of the State, or may it be a privilege.And whether the people have a right to their own currency, or is it just a privilege.
This may prove to be equally important as the 1st and 2nd Amendments in it's effects on nations across the world.
And on the gun issue: The coming 3D printers will make it very easy for anyone anywhere to manufacture a gun, in the future it might be the ammo that is restricted instead.
August 19, 2014, 05:22:50 PM
Taking down the government?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
It depends on the country but in a lot of western country the voting turnout is so low that the Democracy isn't actually representing the people at all.
But if the people doesn't want to vote, then that is also a part of the democracy, not voting is a kind of voting in it self, a way to say I don't care or I'm happy as it is.
We want to see our votes counted and the worst possible evil to NOT "win" whenever it counts. Only one of these actually happens, so why should we waste our time on a discarded vote?
"There are three and only three ways to reform our Congressional legislation, familiarly called, the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box". -Stephen Decatur Miller
We are at the jury box stage right now. If the courts refuse to obey the law and SCOTUS rules to the effect of "there is no right to self-defense, so disarmament and subsequent genocide is absolutely legal", then there will be a full-blown civil war in the U.S. again, but between the tyrannical, undemocratically unelected tyrants, and we the people.
August 19, 2014, 04:57:14 PM
Actually the main and important point is that it is a right in the USA and a privilege in most other countries.
And interestingly, now with Bitcoin the question arises whether fiat currency is a right of the State, or may it be a privilege.And whether the people have a right to their own currency, or is it just a privilege.
This may prove to be equally important as the 1st and 2nd Amendments in it's effects on nations across the world.
August 19, 2014, 04:54:22 PM
Actually the main and important point is that it is a right in the USA and a privilege in most other countries.
Just as with freedom of speech, armed self-defense is a right of all people everywhere, regardless of whether the local authorities protect it or violate it.
Few countries have enshrined that right in law to the extent of the 2nd Amendment. That's a shame; where government fears its citizens liberty exists, where citizens fear their government, the opposite.
I agree that it is a natural right, but I'm afraid the courts don't obey by those laws.
August 19, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Taking down the government?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
It depends on the country but in a lot of western country the voting turnout is so low that the Democracy isn't actually representing the people at all.
But if the people doesn't want to vote, then that is also a part of the democracy, not voting is a kind of voting in it self, a way to say I don't care or I'm happy as it is.
August 19, 2014, 04:49:08 PM
Actually the main and important point is that it is a right in the USA and a privilege in most other countries.
Just as with freedom of speech, armed self-defense is a right of all people everywhere, regardless of whether the local authorities protect it or violate it.
Few countries have enshrined that right in law to the extent of the 2nd Amendment. That's a shame; where government fears its citizens liberty exists, where citizens fear their government, the opposite.
August 19, 2014, 04:47:11 PM
Taking down the government?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
It depends on the country but in a lot of western countries the voting turnout is so low that the Democracy isn't actually representing the people at all.
August 19, 2014, 04:34:21 PM
Actually the main and important point is that it is a right in the USA and a privilege in most other countries.
August 19, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Taking down the government?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
No. And yes, that's what elections are for.That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
I'm just noting what the actual intent of the 2nd amendment is. You can say it's crazy, or that it isn't relevant today. Whatever. Doesn't matter what you think, really.
The second amendment is so that you (the majority) can take down a corrupt government, i.e. a government that does no longer adhere to the constitution. Not for a small minority to stage a coup d'etat.
It is a right to own weapons for defense of oneself, one's family, and one's society, up to and including against a government which has turned gangster. And this right is not subjugated or limited by any stated democratic process such as "elections."
August 19, 2014, 04:18:09 PM
Taking down the government?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
No. And yes, that's what elections are for.That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
I'm just noting what the actual intent of the 2nd amendment is. You can say it's crazy, or that it isn't relevant today. Whatever. Doesn't matter what you think, really.
The second amendment is so that you (the majority) can take down a corrupt government, i.e. a government that does no longer adhere to the constitution. Not for a small minority to stage a coup d'etat.
August 19, 2014, 03:50:11 PM
Taking down the government?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
Elections are for the government to count the votes in favor of the worst possible evil. Electoral fraud is the rule, not the exception.
August 19, 2014, 12:12:17 PM
The statistics on gun deaths in Europe are not really different than in the U.S. We do have a lot of shootings every year, but in Europe the whole continent kills each other off every once and a while. Mostly unarmed people are rounded up and executed in the millions. That is supposed to be a better system? It would could not happen that way here.
Well, they won't try that on the Swiss, either.Odd (not REALLY) how Europeans would like to talk us into disarming the citizens of the US. But they never say that about the Swiss.
It's just not fair, an armed robber should have to worry about the homeowner having assault rifles.
August 19, 2014, 10:57:10 AM
The statistics on gun deaths in Europe are not really different than in the U.S. We do have a lot of shootings every year, but in Europe the whole continent kills each other off every once and a while. Mostly unarmed people are rounded up and executed in the millions. That is supposed to be a better system? It would could not happen that way here.
Well, they won't try that on the Swiss, either.Odd (not REALLY) how Europeans would like to talk us into disarming the citizens of the US. But they never say that about the Swiss.
August 19, 2014, 10:50:42 AM
The statistics on gun deaths in Europe are not really different than in the U.S. We do have a lot of shootings every year, but in Europe the whole continent kills each other off every once and a while. Mostly unarmed people are rounded up and executed in the millions. That is supposed to be a better system? It would could not happen that way here.
Well, they won't try that on the Swiss, either.Odd (not REALLY) how Europeans would like to talk us into disarming the citizens of the US. But they never say that about the Swiss.
August 19, 2014, 10:46:31 AM
The statistics on gun deaths in Europe are not really different than in the U.S. We do have a lot of shootings every year, but in Europe the whole continent kills each other off every once and a while. Mostly unarmed people are rounded up and executed in the millions. That is supposed to be a better system? It would could not happen that way here.
August 19, 2014, 10:02:11 AM
Taking down the government?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
No. And yes, that's what elections are for.That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
I'm just noting what the actual intent of the 2nd amendment is. You can say it's crazy, or that it isn't relevant today. Whatever. Doesn't matter what you think, really.
August 19, 2014, 09:22:32 AM
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August 19, 2014, 09:11:56 AM
Taking down the government?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
That's what elections are for.
But obviously many people here don't believe in democracy.
You think you can win an armed fight against the majority of the people?
August 18, 2014, 03:04:50 PM
I dont understand why you need to own a rifle if you arent a hunter.
I could understand a 9mm Semi automatic pistol in the drawer next to your bed if a home invasion should ever happen..
But the need for having rifles, smgs, and other weapons is just insanity.
12.000+ people gets shot in the US alone by fire arms.
That is insanely high..
Why cant you just put down the weapons and be like other nations..?
You cant own any kind of firearms in EU. Only if you have a hunting license, and a specific license for your hunting weapon..
Any person in the US can get a gun in less than 2 hours.
It's weird to me that people always make an exception for owning a gun as long as you are using it to kill animals. I target shoot. If I duct tape a bunny to the target, would that make it ok? I could understand a 9mm Semi automatic pistol in the drawer next to your bed if a home invasion should ever happen..
But the need for having rifles, smgs, and other weapons is just insanity.
12.000+ people gets shot in the US alone by fire arms.
That is insanely high..
Why cant you just put down the weapons and be like other nations..?
You cant own any kind of firearms in EU. Only if you have a hunting license, and a specific license for your hunting weapon..
Any person in the US can get a gun in less than 2 hours.
As for the people who get shot each year, you do realize those are criminals doing the shooting. And the victims are normally other criminals. This is an argument for having guns, right?
Lastly, your assertion that "Any person in the US can get a gun in less than 2 hours." is incorrect. There are many, many restrictions on firearms in the U.S. I bought a pistol last week and it took about a week to do the process of background checks and shipping to a FFL. It also involved a handfull of government agencies.
You see, when you say "Why cant you just put down the weapons and be like other nations..?"....
What happens here is that people don't believe the politician who encourages them in that direction, and they do the exact opposite. There are, by the way, a huge number of liberal Democrats with lots of guns. It's not just conservative thinkers.
The 2nd amendment in the US really is about taking down the government if need be. LOL... or the right of the citizens to forcibly, if need be, resist bad things by the government.....
I'm of the opinion that's "a good thing". Might vary by country and area and history, whether it is a good thing or a bad thing.
IMHO: Iraq and places like that, where terrorists run amok, everyone should be ARMED.
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