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legendary
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August 22, 2019, 10:21:39 AM
#27
Whales are always and is already there whether we like it or not...

The problem is that nobody can show at least 2 or 5 whales, if these whales can manipulate the market, then how can it be very difficult for people to show them by manipulating the price? How is it possible that until today it is not known who these whales are?

I would suggest for you to study the market trend and don't use whales as the reason of you being unsuccessful.

well many people blame the supposed whales whenever they lose money
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August 22, 2019, 09:41:46 AM
#26
Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.


Whales are always and is already there whether we like it or not, they may have an impact on the market price but I don't think have a control over the bitcoins price because no one is controlling or can control bitcoin, it's in its nature so don't always think that it is the whales is the only reason we have this price right because there are some other factors that can affect the price, I would suggest for you to study the market trend and don't use whales as the reason of you being unsuccessful.
legendary
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August 22, 2019, 06:13:49 AM
#25
Guys i have a serious  problem.

Name: Sithumperera052
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should be an urgent problem for you to create a bitcointalk account and post

Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits.

And where is this proof that whales are on the market? I see many people say that it is the whales that drive the market, when the price drops too many people say it is the fault of the whales; Interestingly, when the price goes up so much I don't hear people say it's the fault of the whales.

But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

Take for example the current price:



What do you think? Is it the right time to buy or is it the right time to sell and abandon the boat?

Now look at what will happen in the next few years:

Bakkt Announces Sept. 23 Launch of Futures and Custody Platform in US

https://www.coingecko.com/pt/explain/bitcoin_halving

so you already know this is a good time to buy bitcoin
legendary
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August 22, 2019, 01:55:47 AM
#24
Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.
Then make it a strategy to follow, learn their activities and learn to follow the news to trade, that is what a smart trader does, because as you are complaining right now, there is little to which complaint can do because none of those people you are complaining to has the power to change how the market operates single handedly or stop the whales from behaving the way they do.

The only way that we can control the whales is to always double cross them and double crossing the whales is not so easy, it requires thorough monitoring of their activities through those exchanges where they operate through, then from there, you can always how to trade along with them and still be successful. If we continue to look at the problem, we might not be able to trade fine, but we have to always look at the solution to the problem.
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August 21, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
#23
Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

if you want to trade on this situation you need to become active everytime in order to obtain more information about the movement of the market. Especially if you want to obtain quick profits. because it's actually normal that the growth rate always made changes time on time due the volatility. So you must adjust your time and put more efforts on it to don't miss all the opportunity . Because market will not make an adjustment for you and it's all up to you  . better think about it mate. 
legendary
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August 21, 2019, 11:26:53 AM
#22
Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.
You can't sell bitcoin at the right time, bitcoin is an anti-inflation currency which means no matter how much it goes down, eventually it will go up. That is why I think it is definitely a wrong time to sell bitcoin right now, maybe it will still go down a bit but I see a great potential of it in the near future, specially now that halving is getting closer I feel like price will definitely easily double if not triple in the next 1 year.

If you want to make sure when you can make money then check out the futures, that is where the big whale movements happen, when you see a lot of shorts bought then you know someone is about to sell a lot of coins because they are manipulating that way, check the short future contracts and if there is a big buy then sell your coins.
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August 21, 2019, 11:16:58 AM
#22
Profits that you are looking for, perhaps are those with insane amounts of return from the initial bankroll you have had, which to me is no problem but sometimes unachievable due to people being greedy. A 10% profit from your initial bankroll is already a huge gain in my books, and I see no reason why would anyone not take those. You don't need to time the markets and get the maximum profit possible from your bankroll, you just have to take profits whenever you feel like it and wait for the next run and that's it.
Things like that are mostly done by traders, they are not satisfied with 10% profit, especially for those who have small capital, of course, want to get double the results, without them knowing it will bring disaster, when whales feel that they are already full enough, and turn the market over, then what happens is regret
legendary
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August 21, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
#21
seeing some level of manipulation in the market doesn't mean "control". you can manipulate price of anything, even in the biggest markets out there but as long as the market has a bit of a decent volume and is not that small, it can not be controlled. bitcoin market has not been small for at least 6 years.

if you are making mistakes and not making money (losing?) while in bitcoin market maybe the problem is with your decision making. you should know that trading is not easy and you can't just jump in without any prior experience and expect to be successful!
As long as there's a high volume traded i think even a whale that have huge balance in the bag will not win against the people power to move the market as they wish , a free market like cryptocurrency is way more difficult complex unlike stocks market which the potential for some people/groups to 'control' the market is actually very high .
And yes in the short term it might affected significantly to change the market direction but not for the long term especially in the last few years where crypto market grow quickly. The bottom line is that whales could be beaten  Grin . So be it.
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August 21, 2019, 09:16:20 AM
#20
Yes, but also no. There's obviously factors you cannot control in trading (such as what whales might be doing), but because you really can't control those factors, don't worry too much about them. As for the erratic price movements in Bitcoin, that's just how it goes. If you're using leveraged trading, always set stops and use TA to the best you can along with your risk management strategy to minimize potential losses. Yesterday's dump may can partially be attributed to an ascending wedge breaking (bearish formation).
legendary
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August 21, 2019, 09:08:44 AM
#19
Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.

That's not a problem, lot of people also facing that. They are on dillema what's the right time to sell their coin, is it now? If i don't sell now, maybe the price will down or will it be higher?
Just look at now, bitcoin price got dumped from $10.9k to close $10k now, that's because some whales taking the profit.  Those who planning to sell at $10.5k above must be feel regret to not sell their coin
sr. member
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August 21, 2019, 08:55:31 AM
#18
Good timing when buying and selling off your bitcoin is the key. But how can you know the right time entering and exiting the market? Technical analysis. It isn't hard to learn that if you are really determined and really wanted to push success in trading. And hey, we are talking about whales here. So, whenever they enter the crypto market, technical analysis and a good strategy will become useless.
 
 Furthermore, stop loss will help us to lessen the huge deficit when whales messed up the trades so do not worry. As long as you incorporate stop loss every time you trade, much better.
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August 21, 2019, 06:36:45 AM
#17
Whales are one of those things that will work out it self in the future. The whales will eventually sell most of their coins and these coins will be evenly distributed between a lot more people and that takes the control away from those whales.

I would disagree with the assumption that whales will eventually sell most of their coins, they are too smart to lose the opportunity to make money. It is true that at some point coins change hands (wallets), but whales are not just selling, they are also buying at the bottom of every dump, so those coins again finding their way to whales wallets plus extra profit they made in such trades.

It's visible now that for months price is holding close to $10 000, and each time it goes slowly upwards, but then there are sharp falls like as it was the last with $600 down. It's a game that goes on constantly, learn the rules or don't play this game.
legendary
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August 21, 2019, 06:33:36 AM
#16
Profits that you are looking for, perhaps are those with insane amounts of return from the initial bankroll you have had, which to me is no problem but sometimes unachievable due to people being greedy. A 10% profit from your initial bankroll is already a huge gain in my books, and I see no reason why would anyone not take those. You don't need to time the markets and get the maximum profit possible from your bankroll, you just have to take profits whenever you feel like it and wait for the next run and that's it.
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August 21, 2019, 05:36:12 AM
#15
Once again whales are given much bigger influence than they really have on the market. And it's kind of funny to blame the whales if you can't make the profit how you would like to. That hasn't got anything to do with them, it's only up to you how skilled you are to use every situation on the market and get the most out of it.
Big investors might have certain control but they are big players in their world and that doesn't influence much smaller investors.
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August 21, 2019, 05:17:39 AM
#14
Whales are one of those things that will work out it self in the future. The whales will eventually sell most of their coins and these coins will be evenly distributed between a lot more people and that takes the control away from those whales. Just remember that with any commodity or stocks or shares, you will always have someone or a group of people that would control the majority of that investment option and they will always try to use that to leverage power to manipulate it.  Angry

There are no way to determine in what direction these whales are going, other than being one of them, so just accept it and concentrate on buying low and selling high. Wink 
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August 21, 2019, 03:17:07 AM
#13
you can start from analyzing charts by learning technical analysis
then you can try make your own decision on what is the right price to buy and sell
when whales move the price, don't go against them but follow the trends Wink
buy at the lowest possible price and sell at your target price, don't be too greedy
within the last few months bitcoin price was up and down quite often
there were many opportunities to make profit by buying at ~$10k and selling at ~$11.5k Cool
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August 21, 2019, 02:37:44 AM
#12
You need to go the basics of trading and understand each situation that the market deals with.

Only you can determine the right time of selling, people would not call that hey this is the right time to sell. AFAIK, if you follow the media, they'll shout for that but would you follow? I'd tell you not. So, learn and experience how you're going to build yourself including the strategies in trading.

He needs to experience it on his own. The OP should try a very small amount at first to get a grasp of what's going on in the market. He should follow his own instincts when it comes to trading but only when he has the sufficient knowledge on how to do it.
Yes it is what he needs.

Because it would be hard for him to understand what mostly are telling him without the proper experience.
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August 21, 2019, 12:29:24 AM
#11
Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.


We can sell the bitcoin when bitcoin price increase so high, and I think you can see it later when the market is moving. But sometimes, we will never know when the price can increase because I see that sometimes, there is a pump that is happening in the market. Perhaps, you can place the order sell at the price you want, make it higher than the price now so when the price increase, your order sell is filled.

The whales don't always change the price because the bitcoin market is too big, and that will need a big balance to move the price. But when most of the whales come, the price can increase so high, and that will stay at the current price. You need to learn about analyzing the chart on the market, so you know if something happens with the market, and you can decide what you need to do.

As long as you can be careful to buy and sell bitcoin, I think there is nothing to be worry, and I am sure that you can make a profit.
legendary
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August 20, 2019, 11:59:27 PM
#10
seeing some level of manipulation in the market doesn't mean "control". you can manipulate price of anything, even in the biggest markets out there but as long as the market has a bit of a decent volume and is not that small, it can not be controlled. bitcoin market has not been small for at least 6 years.

if you are making mistakes and not making money (losing?) while in bitcoin market maybe the problem is with your decision making. you should know that trading is not easy and you can't just jump in without any prior experience and expect to be successful!
legendary
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August 20, 2019, 11:39:30 PM
#9
Guys i have a serious  problem. Most of the time whales are controlling  the market with big profits. But how we can sell  the bitcoin at correct  time? Someone can say me please learn  aboth the trading.But the my idea is trading is just some patterns of market changes. Not rules. The market just can be  changed by whales and news anytime.


Leave the whales alone. They are not our problem. And besides, we can do nothing about them being whales. They are super rich, we are simpletons. Perhaps what we should do is to try to ride them. It is hard but it could be done. I mean, if you are diligent enough to read reliable news, seriously study charting, and monitor fundamentals, it is not impossible to make money despite these market whales playing with the prices. 

And if you fail in all of these, at least do what many others have failed: only sell with a profit. There is no correct time literally. The only correct time is when you sell with a profit, and the only wrong selling time is when you sell at a loss.
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