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Quote from: noorman0 on August 23, 2023, 08:48:56 PM

Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

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So, the point i was trying to make here is, even after getting our own country other countries are still interfering in governments rules and taking things over. I don't like to mention names but many already knew. And just to clear i am not saying these statements to put my problems (my means my country) in front of you guys instead i am just using it as an example.

Actually there are many possibilities, some of them:

Your country may be one of the independent countries that are not truly sovereign, usually its independence is based on gifts from the former colonialists who have unlimited conditions that they can even dictate after years.

Your country is affiliated with an international organization, instead they can intervene in your country's policies on the basis of solidarity with members of the organization.

The majority of the countries around the world are like this. Just look at Africa, they were declared independent but the politics inside the country are governed by their former colonist. Countries you don't expect to be that submissive like Germany or Japan who were once mighty. Not to mention those poor once in Africa.

The Slave Trade saved the big countries which are still trying to enslave to this day through the sanctions they impose on countries but you guess it is a necessity for those countries because if they don't grab lands and colonize countries, it's them that are going to be colonized.

Necessity is what makes governments adopt technology and they could burn cities or kill politicians in broad daylight to survive.

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Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

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So, the point i was trying to make here is, even after getting our own country other countries are still interfering in governments rules and taking things over. I don't like to mention names but many already knew. And just to clear i am not saying these statements to put my problems (my means my country) in front of you guys instead i am just using it as an example.

Actually there are many possibilities, some of them:

Your country may be one of the independent countries that are not truly sovereign, usually its independence is based on gifts from the former colonialists who have unlimited conditions that they can even dictate after years.

Your country is affiliated with an international organization, instead they can intervene in your country's policies on the basis of solidarity with members of the organization.

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Quote from: slapper on August 23, 2023, 09:46:20 AM

Nations, corporations like Vanguard and BlackRock, they're not just chasing money; they're chasing power. Money is just a tool to get there. What you're not getting is that these entities see opportunity where others see crisis. Yes, they're in crypto now because crypto is the future of money, the future of control

You're talking about governments and companies holding 88% of the market. That's no coincidence. They want to centralize everything, make it easier for them to control. Take a look at the major tech companies; they're all hoarding data. Why? To manipulate thought, to direct behavior. It's not just about the Benjamins; it's about the very fabric of society

You touched on religious beliefs and norms. That's child's play, my friend. The real war is ideological. Look at how your information is being manipulated every day by the media, by social media, by the very platforms you rely on for information. Are you starting to get the picture?

This is true, most of the media through which we receive information manipulate this data in order to take advantage of it and favor those powerful who have managed to have a fairly influential position in this world and direct practically everything that happens whether it is good or bad. It is ironic how money can change people so much to such a degree that they are capable of destroying others with less influence in order to climb in power...in a few words, these people are the ones who in theory prevent equality from being found and equality ceases to exist. poverty because they need those with these conditions of need to be able to control them and to do what they want…work hard with low salaries, obtaining the best part of the profits to continue growing…This is a reality that always it has existed, not only today, it's just that in these times you can see more clearly the manipulation of these powerful towards the rest of society.

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Quote from: Joshapat on August 22, 2023, 09:03:59 AM

A lot of history is often changed and adapted to government policies, I live in a country that has experienced many problems, and history is certainly different from before, and in my opinion this is to protect the interests of the government, they want to look better than before so they carry out various policies that new and looks different from the previous decicions.

Most countries keep creating unnecessary laws that keep hunting citizens and making things hard for people. There are some laws that are not too good for people and the government may not be interested to help at any point.
When we look at the ways government keep creating policies that crumbles businesses making it very hard for people to get loans with reasonable interest rate to curb some expenses. Inflation is there and there is nothing we can do about that. We keep struggling and the government keep taking us to drain our small profits.

Depends on where you do live but in speaking about economic matters in general scale then we can actually say that inflation becomes more worst in some places or in most although there might be some exemptions on other places which we know that it isnt really that much affected and considered to those countries are rich ones. This is why i dont really care about on what are the government plans and steps that they would be making because the main priority i do have in mind is on how to sustain myself with these economic problems on which it would really be causing for you to live a miserable life or really that very struggling in terms of expenses and other daily living needs and necessities. As for government decisions which laws and regulations been applied, then as a citizen then there's nothing we can do whether it would really be totally opposing with your interest
or not but still it would really be that final. They are the ones who had the power on imposing rules and regulations which they do thought that it would really be for the better good but there are ones which are good calls and there are ones which are totally shit.

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Quote from: Joshapat on August 22, 2023, 09:03:59 AM

A lot of history is often changed and adapted to government policies, I live in a country that has experienced many problems, and history is certainly different from before, and in my opinion this is to protect the interests of the government, they want to look better than before so they carry out various policies that new and looks different from the previous decicions.

Most countries keep creating unnecessary laws that keep hunting citizens and making things hard for people. There are some laws that are not too good for people and the government may not be interested to help at any point.
When we look at the ways government keep creating policies that crumbles businesses making it very hard for people to get loans with reasonable interest rate to curb some expenses. Inflation is there and there is nothing we can do about that. We keep struggling and the government keep taking us to drain our small profits.

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Quote from: Joshapat on August 22, 2023, 09:03:59 AM

A lot of history is often changed and adapted to government policies, I live in a country that has experienced many problems, and history is certainly different from before, and in my opinion this is to protect the interests of the government, they want to look better than before so they carry out various policies that new and looks different from the previous decicions.

In one country there was a rule: the new king overruled all the decisions of the old one, even if they were correct. This may be right, but it does not add confidence in the future. And every government thinks only about the interests of certain groups, hiding behind concern for the people. There must always be poor, otherwise who will feed the rich?

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Nations, corporations like Vanguard and BlackRock, they're not just chasing money; they're chasing power. Money is just a tool to get there. What you're not getting is that these entities see opportunity where others see crisis. Yes, they're in crypto now because crypto is the future of money, the future of control

You're talking about governments and companies holding 88% of the market. That's no coincidence. They want to centralize everything, make it easier for them to control. Take a look at the major tech companies; they're all hoarding data. Why? To manipulate thought, to direct behavior. It's not just about the Benjamins; it's about the very fabric of society

You touched on religious beliefs and norms. That's child's play, my friend. The real war is ideological. Look at how your information is being manipulated every day by the media, by social media, by the very platforms you rely on for information. Are you starting to get the picture?

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A lot of history is often changed and adapted to government policies, I live in a country that has experienced many problems, and history is certainly different from before, and in my opinion this is to protect the interests of the government, they want to look better than before so they carry out various policies that new and looks different from the previous decicions.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 17, 2023, 04:18:45 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 17, 2023, 02:22:48 AM

It's complex, but the short answer is money and power.

When you have money and power, you can control anyone else as you can do anything and the other people can't. Every human can live as long as they have food and a place to sleep, but due to current modern era where it make most of people trying to become rich, they started to become selfish and not care with the others.

Not everyone can win in the race to become rich, but everyone can survive.

I have to agree with this. People tend to adopt new decisions because they want to take an edge over power and money. Whether we accept it or not, with money and power, our aims or desires will be most likely become feasible. Money and power can give us the freedom to do everything with our desires to control our own lives and its happiness. And with the type of government we have at the present, if you don’t have the money that makes you powerful in the society, you will never live your life to its fullest.

When we look at the behavior of people after they have money and power, they never want to lose this advantage. Because these are the things that most people want to achieve in today's conditions. In fact, countries are doing everything to achieve this. The problem is not just living. It's about being able to do what you want with money and having power in the meantime, so I agree with your answer.

Money and power are the main factors that trigger people or governments in their decisions. Because when they have them they can do anything they want. Whether this is true or not is debatable, but this is the situation today.

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governments act like businesses..

the problems stem from things like land acquisition. and then disputes, and also where suffering countries take out loans from other countries or do initially friendly trade deals that go bad.

when countries borrow/owe money to each other. the creditor country becomes a stake holder in the debt country. thus then gains power over economic decisions to ensure the creditor country gets a return on investment. sometimes its just land ownership rights that give political power

we see it throughout history..
a war begins in rivalling middle eastern countries.. a western country enquires if they can help support a resource rich country defend its borders. that help is accepted.. but ofcourse the western country is not doing it for free..
suddenly deals are done to take over land, resources and control politics to repay the debt, friendly at first. but once power vaccuums are formed. then it turns nasty

we will see this occur with Ukraine in a decade.. ukraine was not donated military support. and in a decade ukraine will do trade deals and align its politics with western regimes to repay for all the support, friendly at first. but who knows what demands EU/nato will make on Ukraine later on

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Quote from: Fortify on August 19, 2023, 01:46:40 PM

What do you expect to happen? The world to stand still and not adapt to new technology? Should the government still mandate that everyone use a horse and cart instead of motor vehicles? ........

Exactly, why they stand still while people with unique IQ (unique means high) tend not to live a life of dumb one obviously. Everyone wants to make new innovations, startups, new technologies will keep coming until the end of life. That's what I am saying, because everyone has some desire some purpose.

Quote from: Gyfts on August 19, 2023, 03:16:50 PM

The studies are out there and I can provide them if you wish (I assume this is common knowledge) -- COVID was the biggest transfer transfer of wealth away from the middle class to the elites (not the rich, but the ultra elite). It was entirely government induced.

I would love to read those studies and looking forward to your reply with data. And that's for sure that only the elites have filled their bags with money while only the middle ones suffered because I watched a video on IG, in which a long hair dude was explaining how the big organizations like the medical ones made billions of dollars.

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Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

What do you guys think really drive all the government and platform like this new Platform vanguard, BlackRock and some other companies which holds 88% of the market in US and they are almost in every market and now these platforms are coming into Crypto too. I know i started the topic from history lesson and end up at today's problems, but I have to link something to make my point clearer. Why Corona Virus made some people rich why there is a monopoly in the whole world civilization.

The studies are out there and I can provide them if you wish (I assume this is common knowledge) -- COVID was the biggest transfer transfer of wealth away from the middle class to the elites (not the rich, but the ultra elite). It was entirely government induced. When the government began printing away trillions in cash, the new money that circulated the economy was spent at large corporations which only made the elite wealthier. When these new dollars caused inflation, it disproportionately affected those who are lower income.

When businesses were forced to comply with government mandated restrictions, the larger corporations had the capital to comply, whereas smaller businesses shut down. Businesses with e-commerce platforms particularly excelled, whereas smaller businesses that relied on physical customers suffered.

Again, the elites were not closely involved in the decision making process when it came to COVID. It was mostly politicians who felt too afraid of making the right decision in fear of political ramifications.

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Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

I am making this topic out of curiosity to know more, what actually driving all the powerful and non-powerful countries to be in the competition and why there is a competition in the first hand. Why just people cannot live together and care for each other not like by doing each other's bidding instead without fighting.

If, i took my own example then we used to rule subcontinent for so long then Englishmen and Indian took over, so we have to fight for another nation which is Pakistan (my history lessons do need sub retouch but as for now just take it as an example). Why we fought for new country the reason is same for each and every other country for which they fought to be independent and so they could follow their norms. Those norms could be based on many beliefs but most those are religious beliefs because we fought for religious beliefs so we could worship with full freedom.

I am not going to mention any other thoughts that could lead to many religious riots because in my time here i do understand that this platform does not tolerate that.

So, the point i was trying to make here is, even after getting our own country other countries are still interfering in governments rules and taking things over. I don't like to mention names but many already knew. And just to clear i am not saying these statements to put my problems (my means my country) in front of you guys instead i am just using it as an example.

What do you expect to happen? The world to stand still and not adapt to new technology? Should the government still mandate that everyone use a horse and cart instead of motor vehicles? The most successful countries in the world arguably have the fairest rules which are enforced equally, but are adapted to new conditions or moral norms. Many countries in the world had criminalized being gay many decades ago, but have obviously abolished these awful laws since. The government is not deaf and will often build their policies based on changing public opinions over time. Now, you mention religion but that is a whole other area but can often, usually for the worse, influence government policy and can take much longer to change.

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In government, most of the time, the reason is either because of power or money. Government will do anything just to have power over any countries as much as possible, to have control over and to have so much money.

In people, the reason is because of hard times, they need to make a bold decision to change their life, either it's going to be a bad change or good change. Sometimes we need to get out of our comfort zone to have something more, or to grow even more, for better future.

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Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

What do you guys think really drive all the government and platform like this new Platform vanguard, BlackRock and some other companies which holds 88% of the market in US

How the East India Company Became the World’s Most Powerful Monopoly
The massive British corporation was founded under Queen Elizabeth I and rose to exploit overseas trade and become a dominating global player.

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One of the biggest, most dominant corporations in history operated long before the emergence of tech giants like Apple or Google or Amazon. The English East India Company was incorporated by royal charter on December 31, 1600 and went on to act as a part-trade organization, part-nation-state and reap vast profits from overseas trade with India, China, Persia and Indonesia for more than two centuries. Its business flooded England with affordable tea, cotton textiles and spices, and richly rewarded its London investors with returns as high as 30 percent.

“At its peak, the English East India Company was by far the largest corporation of its kind,” says Emily Erikson, a sociology professor at Yale University and author of Between Monopoly and Free Trade: The English East India Company. “It was also larger than several nations. It was essentially the de facto emperor of large portions of India, which was one of the most productive economies in the world at that point.”

But just when the East India Company’s grip on trade weakened in the late 18th century, it found a new calling as an empire-builder. At one point, this mega corporation commanded a private army of 260,000 soldiers, twice the size of the standing British army. That kind of manpower was more than enough to scare off the remaining competition, conquer territory and coerce Indian rulers into one-sided contracts that granted the Company lucrative taxation powers.

https://www.history.com/news/east-india-company-england-trade

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People and governments often have to adopt new and bold decisions because of a combination of factors which might include a desire for progress and innovation, the need to address pressing challenges or crises, the influence of public opinion, the pursuit of economic or political advantage & even personal motivations and beliefs.

External factors such as technological advancements, changes in societal values & world events can also play a role in inspiring & driving new decisions. It’s a complex mixture of various factors that shape and motivate individuals & governments to embrace change & make bold decisions.

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Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

Means if there were not riots and no financial recessions were occurred back in 2008 then i doubt today there would be any Crypto exists. But downfall of one lead one person to make another innovation in place of that. In today world people are working there ace off but still few are living a healthy and wealthy life.

At a point in reading your essay, on this paragraph I was seeing the creation of bitcoin in my mind. Are you saying "necessity is the mother of invention"? Are you saying it was apt for satoshi to begin the creation of bitcoin at the time or he had the idea earlier?

Well apart from recession that is looked at on the paragraph, making analysis of the whole post, I see the interplay of money (that is fiat) and the control over people and their situation and overall well being including war. Fiat was identified as a major necessity to life and death, which is why when a country goes to tribal war in the past, the seizure of their fiat was as good as winning the war because there won't be other means of buying and selling or other financial transactions and that will cripple the economy of the weaker opponent. So the creation of bitcoin is indeed a liberation of human society in general. A scenario like that happened in Nigeria during the #Endsars saga, the conveners of the rallies across Nigeria used bitcoin as a means of payment to get necessities to endure protesters got food, water and other necessities while on the streets for days spanning to weeks. This same scenario is happening in Russia and Ukraine war when Russia began to prepare for legislations about legalizing the use of bitcoin while prior to the war and attendant economic sanctions, they never saw alternative payment system like bitcoin as an option or priority. So it is necessities that drives people and government to take certain bold decisions and the importance of robust financial system will not be overemphasized.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 17, 2023, 02:22:48 AM

When you have money and power,

In actual fact, when you have power, you can control people or money. That means with political power then you can make policies that can increase people's wealth or reduce it. Therefore a government (head of government) can decide to roll out policies that will affect some areas of business because of certain individuals they want to pull down. So power rules over money, that is why some people gun for political power after they have made money because they want to also protect their business.

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Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

I am making this topic out of curiosity to know more, what actually driving all the powerful and non-powerful countries to be in the competition and why there is a competition in the first hand. Why just people cannot live together and care for each other not like by doing each other's bidding instead without fighting.

Competition is driven by the need to be superior to another person, that is why most countries are in competition with themselves so as to be superior to the other. There will never be a competition free environment because it is something that is a part of out nature. Competition is not always bad because competition drives change that is somethings good. Because when two countries are in competition, they will each try to make decisions better than what the other country has made to remain superior to them, in doing so. the country will be steadily advancing.

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Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

I am making this topic out of curiosity to know more, what actually driving all the powerful and non-powerful countries to be in the competition and why there is a competition in the first hand. Why just people cannot live together and care for each other not like by doing each other's bidding instead without fighting.

If, i took my own example then we used to rule subcontinent for so long then Englishmen and Indian took over, so we have to fight for another nation which is Pakistan (my history lessons do need sub retouch but as for now just take it as an example). Why we fought for new country the reason is same for each and every other country for which they fought to be independent and so they could follow their norms. Those norms could be based on many beliefs but most those are religious beliefs because we fought for religious beliefs so we could worship with full freedom.

I am not going to mention any other thoughts that could lead to many religious riots because in my time here i do understand that this platform does not tolerate that.

So, the point i was trying to make here is, even after getting our own country other countries are still interfering in governments rules and taking things over. I don't like to mention names but many already knew. And just to clear i am not saying these statements to put my problems (my means my country) in front of you guys instead i am just using it as an example.

The Thing that drives one person, or nation, or governments to make such bold moves is Desire because even when we were living together in subcontinent, we could make civilized nation and still follow our norms, Englishmen could follow their norms, Indian could follow their norms and Muslims could follow their norm. But the only thing that excites everyone to move ahead of other was Desire

Now what that desire is about that could of getting power in terms of Army, Nuclear Bombs, Economy, Central Currency mass adoption (etc.). and control over people's life.

Means if there were not riots and no financial recessions were occurred back in 2008 then i doubt today there would be any Crypto exists. But downfall of one lead one person to make another innovation in place of that. In today world people are working there ace off but still few are living a healthy and wealthy life. Those few are those who are only paying:
Governments taxes.
Those people do not pay:
Black Taxes.

What do you guys think really drive all the government and platform like this new Platform vanguard, BlackRock and some other companies which holds 88% of the market in US and they are almost in every market and now these platforms are coming into Crypto too. I know i started the topic from history lesson and end up at today's problems, but I have to link something to make my point clearer. Why Corona Virus made some people rich why there is a monopoly in the whole world civilization.

One thing is thirst of money because making millions is easy but making billions is not easy and we all know that how big the difference is. So, are these platforms and governments being only after money, or other power to control people's life they are already manipulating people's thought through internet like news of Fire in Lahaina and fire in Dubai and fire in Saudia Arabia. These might be consequences but back in time Ford Car company also took loan before 2008 recession and all other companies go bankrupt why they attract money just few months before recession and why big companies are after BTC and trying there hard best to collect BTC and still delaying the process? That's all my confusions are if anyone love to share their thoughts then i am grateful to you all.

There are a few points that need to check :

1. Opportunity
2. Crisis or Urgency
3. Public opinion and support
4. External Pressures
5. Global trends and practices

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Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

I am making this topic out of curiosity to know more, what actually driving all the powerful and non-powerful countries to be in the competition and why there is a competition in the first hand. Why just people cannot live together and care for each other not like by doing each other's bidding instead without fighting.

Greed is making powerful nations make others poor. They assume that the only way they can maintain their wealth and power is to make other nations less developed. Poor nations depend on industrialized nations for many things and these powerful nations will always want this to continue. The world will always be unequal until humankind knows that we are all equal.

Quote from: Dictator69 on August 17, 2023, 01:52:07 AM

What do you guys think really drive all the government and platform like this new Platform vanguard, BlackRock and some other companies which holds 88% of the market in US and they are almost in every market and now these platforms are coming into Crypto too. I know i started the topic from history lesson and end up at today's problems, but I have to link something to make my point clearer. Why Corona Virus made some people rich why there is a monopoly in the whole world civilization.

Money and power are the two reasons why companies invest massively in a particular sector. BlackRock, Invesco, Wisdom Tree, Bitwise, and Fidelity applications for Spot Bitcoin ETF are because they want to make profit from the bitcoin market. Some of them might also have the intention of having some level of control in the market. It could be a rush to have a level of control over a part of the Bitcoin market.

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One thing is thirst of money because making millions is easy but making billions is not easy and we all know that how big the difference is. So, are these platforms and governments being only after money, or other power to control people's life they are already manipulating people's thought through internet like news of Fire in Lahaina and fire in Dubai and fire in Saudia Arabia. These might be consequences but back in time Ford Car company also took loan before 2008 recession and all other companies go bankrupt why they attract money just few months before recession and why big companies are after BTC and trying there hard best to collect BTC and still delaying the process? That's all my confusions are if anyone love to share their thoughts then i am grateful to you all.

There seems to be a kind of misconception here. Private companies like Black Rock and others are the ones applying for approval for Spot Bitcoin ETF and the SEC is the one that will do the approval. They have just started the process of considering the applications and have fixed next year for approval. From the current happenings, it is assumed that Biden's government is anti-Bitcoin. The administration is during everything possible to undermine Bitcoin.

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