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Quote from: Elpeor00 on March 30, 2020, 07:35:12 PM

Most likely, chinese government is underreporting the total deaths and overestimating the recoveries, but is unlikely that they created the virus, or for that matter that they can save their economy of its aftermath
They are just trying to save face
Chinese gov's geopolitical planning relies in china being ''cheaper'' than the western countries at least 20 years more, if Europe and the USA lose purchase power China is among the first losers, in fact, they likely will devalue the yuan as USA and Europe's monetary stimulus hit the markets

This is all just Chinese propaganda as the savior of the world from covid-19. Repeated reports about China's contribution to WHO and China's role as a global commander in dealing with a pandemic corona.

China precisely Xi Jing Ping really controls the media, to voice the news of justification, not the truth. So there is no news that leads to China's degradation to overcome corona. In addition to the interests of China, President Xi Jing Ping also wants his prestige to remain above the present condition even some vocal officials who voiced China's inability to cope with corona were immediately fired and also replaced by his position in the party.

Xi also silenced and imprisoned his critics, including a real estate tycoon and previously one of the richest and most powerful people in China for publishing articles describing Xi as an emperor who had no clothes and was like a clown.

Many oppositions opposed Xi's policies but were always successfully removed, many internal parties began to doubt the credibility of Xi's policy and operations strategy so that the CCP's political elite movement emerged to depose Xi. The mistrust that arises in one's own environment is more dangerous to destroy Xi from within than an enemy that is clearly categorized as anti-China.

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great question and geat poll too . im also curious on this one and i beieve that is what others are feeling thru right now .

my suspection came after reading a blog that states virus were planned before and my suspection became worst when i heard that china was now recovered while others are not . that is only what i feel , dont take me seriously guys but if its been planned china cant still do anything much to grow thier economy because lockdowns on other country is still up . no stocks can go outside

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Quote from: naaimmd on March 29, 2020, 10:51:06 AM

As many people think coronavirus is created by China and they did to crush other economy but I don't think that's what they did but some information came to light that gives us some dought about China's action. as far as we know death in China is a total of 3800+ but is it a real number? Did they hide the real numbers to protect their economy? what those pictures tell us!

I will not be surprised if the Chinese government are doing this kind of scenario as I can see that they are doing this to protect their economy but on the other hand it is very unfair also to other governments who not doing something like this. But I am surprised with regards to the numbers because losing 1.1 million users in just a month is a bit too much and 15 million users all together is a huge number if we are going to convert it as an affected persons with covid-19 virus.

But still this data is not yet accurate as this data is base only to cellphone carriers who are losing their users because there are many scenarios why it is happening like the Chinese government banned the use of cellphone in that area due to lock down policies and etc.

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I also think that there is something odd about this corona virus, because now it is increasingly seen that China has benefited
from such conditions this. Their economy is still stable, even they sell medical equipment related to the corona virus to several
countries. And very fast country China is recovering from the corona virus tragedy. This is just my hunch without proof, so it is
not certain that China is involved in this matter.

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Most likely, chinese government is underreporting the total deaths and overestimating the recoveries, but is unlikely that they created the virus, or for that matter that they can save their economy of its aftermath
They are just trying to save face
Chinese gov's geopolitical planning relies in china being ''cheaper'' than the western countries at least 20 years more, if Europe and the USA lose purchase power China is among the first losers, in fact, they likely will devalue the yuan as USA and Europe's monetary stimulus hit the markets

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Quote from: el kaka22 on March 30, 2020, 03:10:15 PM

Even if they are hiding the real number, they are probably doing it so that people would still buy stuff from china and not because they created it. People keep thinking that china (even if they are bad government with a dictator) could release something that would hurt themselves, they are evil but they are not idiots, if they wanted to release a virus to the world they would start with other nations first and help them out.

This also keep creating anxiety in my mind as to whether China would be able to take the life of there citizens because of a selfish interest or goal. Whatever the case will be, I believe it will soon be in the public domain for everybody to see.

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Even if they are hiding the real number, they are probably doing it so that people would still buy stuff from china and not because they created it. People keep thinking that china (even if they are bad government with a dictator) could release something that would hurt themselves, they are evil but they are not idiots, if they wanted to release a virus to the world they would start with other nations first and help them out.

What they are doing with these test kits they are sending for example is a prime example of them trying to get people to use Chinese stuff again, would you buy an Chinese knock off right now? Any product? However everyone would want test kits, they would want protective equipment as well, so they are trying to keep that "here buy these now, keep buying other stuff later" thing going.

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Well, it's from China, but it doesn't mean that they purposely made it. Biological weapons are banned since the 70's simply because you can't make friends with a disease with no brain. It will attack anyone with no exception.

This pandemic/outbreak was predicted a long time ago. People just don't learn:

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The outbreak of SARS was a big lesson and challenge to Hong Kong, and probably for the world as well. Almost instantaneously the medical services in Hong Kong were under a threat of collapse. Hong Kong has been given an abrupt wake-up call to find that the whole medical system was ill prepared for a major outbreak of infectious disease. While the story of SARS is still evolving, scientists are already predicting possible outbreaks of other more virulent and contagious diseases in the near future. In this new atmosphere, many challenges and ethical issues will surface in the field of psychogeriatrics in Hong Kong, and elsewhere.

Chiu et al. (2003) https://sci-hub.tw/10.1002/gps.1003

Guess what, now SARS 2.0 wreak havoc in many countries.

China is the producer of many stuff, so they need customers to sell their products. At this moment, they will severely get hit in terms of economy, just like any other big producers.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 30, 2020, 12:06:26 PM

With not much else to do, I watched a Youtube video documenting life in China lately and it seems pretty obvious their government is in the business of information control--they all are, but the extent seemed to be like communist Russia or N. Korea. Not surprising, and I pretty much figured it was like that in China. So as far as what they're hiding from the world, it could be anything.

I don't think China manufactured this strain of coronavirus, however. Their motivation for doing so would be iffy at best, and I would suggest that viral outbreaks can start anywhere. This time it just happened to be China.

And by the way, it drives me up a wall whenever Trump refers to coronavirus as "the Chinese virus". If he knows something the rest of us don't, he should just spit it out. It puts unnecessary blame on a country that most likely didn't intend to be ground zero for the outbreak.

I also think coronavirus wasn't made in China if we look last 20-year chart we can have been affected by at least 14 virus so it's clear this might be another outbreak like those and if we look at history we can see every century like 1820,1920 was also affected by virus. As for China controlling people, I saw one video that they were acting like they where on a war and they didn't let any single affected people leave from lockdown or affected area and they really managed to contain it and they hid real number because they didn't want their economy collapse because of fear of this virus.

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With not much else to do, I watched a Youtube video documenting life in China lately and it seems pretty obvious their government is in the business of information control--they all are, but the extent seemed to be like communist Russia or N. Korea. Not surprising, and I pretty much figured it was like that in China. So as far as what they're hiding from the world, it could be anything.

I don't think China manufactured this strain of coronavirus, however. Their motivation for doing so would be iffy at best, and I would suggest that viral outbreaks can start anywhere. This time it just happened to be China.

And by the way, it drives me up a wall whenever Trump refers to coronavirus as "the Chinese virus". If he knows something the rest of us don't, he should just spit it out. It puts unnecessary blame on a country that most likely didn't intend to be ground zero for the outbreak.

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Quote from: Sadlife on March 30, 2020, 09:28:25 AM

Given the fact that they've hide the truth about a virus outbreak in Wuhan. Is more enough reason to suspect them about hiding the real death toll in mainland and other states.
In fact trump said in his statements that "China is hiding the real numbers" in my opinion their only doing this to save themselves and their economy and not for the people.

When virus spread in Wuhan China didn't let reporters to new real situation and sadly because of their serious work on lockdown they have already recovered fast and since they hide the real number of dead people really didn't take it seriously and many people didn't think that it will attack them as well. if we have prepared when it attack Wuhan maybe the current situation would be different. And right now many conspiracy theories going on one person said coronavirus is a normal virus and people who have died because they have other diseases and bad immune system don't know which one is true.

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Given the fact that they've hide the truth about a virus outbreak in Wuhan. Is more enough reason to suspect them about hiding the real death toll in mainland and other states.
In fact trump said in his statements that "China is hiding the real numbers" in my opinion their only doing this to save themselves and their economy and not for the people.

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Quote from: shushu9977 on March 30, 2020, 06:27:39 AM

Some information and experts say that China created the corona virus (Covid-19). And they also hide orginal number of dead people. How many people dead in covid-19, they are not publish exactly? I think that they are also doing it to save their economic condition.

The chinese government is really afraid to show the full details about the real reason how the virus created and spreads all over the world because everyone will put the blame on the chinese people. But we should not care about it because all we need to do is to take care of ourselves and support all of front liners to cure the virus.

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I think all this is not excessive, everyone is starting to have prejudice against China.

China will do anything to save their faces. Oh no, I was reminded of a video of a young man from Wuhan who revealed how bad the China government was in handling the situation when the virus began to spread.

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Some information and experts say that China created the corona virus (Covid-19). And they also hide orginal number of dead people. How many people dead in covid-19, they are not publish exactly? I think that they are also doing it to save their economic condition.

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I am not sure what is written on the chart, is it number of data user or amount of data used?

Possibly they can hide the actual numbers but they can't hide if millions of people are missing from China so they are good in treating their corona pateints since they already found medicines before spreading it to community. Grin

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Quote from: jacafbiz on March 29, 2020, 12:09:29 PM

Quality data out of China has always being an issue even with their GDP because of most the information there is centrally controlled. I don't want to argue about the number of mortality because those that are gone are gone, what we need now is a permanent cure for the drug, there are a lot of politics going on now. I get the big corporation wants to profit from the pandemics, if indeed the Choroquine drug works then this is not fear to the masses. I have read and seen videos of those that are treated with Cloroquine and the other drug and they get well.

Yes they're making money from this crisis but main problem they're equipment is bad quality i don't know if because of that how many people will die

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Quote from: LeGaulois on March 29, 2020, 01:14:30 PM

We can't trust anything China says, Santa Claus isn't real. Any information is almost impossible to verify and we can't count on them to be transparent. They try to save their face, see how currently they try to look like the model to follow in managing the crisis, while they lied to us before, lol
Everything else giving a bad image of the country, you can see the Chinese dictatorship censoring the media.

Now what they need is the economy to pick up, the factories to start working again, for people to go back to work. And if they need to lie to the world to make it happen they won't hesitate

What China is hiding from us is surely the same reason, trying to save the face to look like the good boy

Quote from: FlightyPouch on March 29, 2020, 11:16:24 AM

And then Spain buys medical equipment worth 432 million euros from China.[/url]

Not working equipment by the way. Spain is forced to order again in extreme urgency.
Well, China products are usually shit and it doesn't change

yes i don't like Chinese products because they don't last at all

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We can't trust anything China says, Santa Claus isn't real. Any information is almost impossible to verify and we can't count on them to be transparent. They try to save their face, see how currently they try to look like the model to follow in managing the crisis, while they lied to us before, lol
Everything else giving a bad image of the country, you can see the Chinese dictatorship censoring the media.

Now what they need is the economy to pick up, the factories to start working again, for people to go back to work. And if they need to lie to the world to make it happen they won't hesitate

What China is hiding from us is surely the same reason, trying to save the face to look like the good boy

Quote from: FlightyPouch on March 29, 2020, 11:16:24 AM

And then Spain buys medical equipment worth 432 million euros from China.[/url]

Not working equipment by the way. Spain is forced to order again in extreme urgency.
Well, China products are usually shit and it doesn't change

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Quality data out of China has always being an issue even with their GDP because of most the information there is centrally controlled. I don't want to argue about the number of mortality because those that are gone are gone, what we need now is a permanent cure for the drug, there are a lot of politics going on now. I get the big corporation wants to profit from the pandemics, if indeed the Choroquine drug works then this is not fear to the masses. I have read and seen videos of those that are treated with Cloroquine and the other drug and they get well.

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