Topic: What do we benefit in lies in forum - page 4. (Read 677 times)
Merit fishing primarily. These people spin "vaguely-relatable" stories and narratives that they make out to be either an experience of theirs or an experience of someone in their circle. While it's not inherently bad since after all, they impart really nice stories for one and at the same time they're not really spreading "misinformation" since most of the stories they spin are either cautionary tales or informative and descriptive, it's still lies being said and I get why you'd be upset about it. Anywho, let's just wing it for now, no one's meriting these people anyway lol, and the mods are great at cracking down posts that are not that contributive to the whole narrative of the forum. So let them have it for now, the forum needs a couple court jesters anyway lol (no offense to these people)
People do good things for bad reasons while they also do bad things for good reasons and this is always the main reason behind what makes people tell lies on the forum. However, this is one of the major drawbacks of a decentralized platform, and since they don't go against the forum rules or do something to someone else it is all good.
I concur with you on this point because the forum specifically prohibited lying, and your information must be supported by facts if it is to be helpful to the public. If a liar nevertheless helps others by his lies, it can be educational. If the lies did not violate the rules and guidelines of the forum, it is also acceptable. For example, someone might write in a forum that they introduced their family and friends to bitcoin for the sole purpose of earning points, yet other people might still be inclined to follow their example. Someone has benefited from his efforts with this. 
Some people may have managed to deceive themselves by saying they have invested in bitcoin, but in fact they are only holding altcoins. I'm not sure what the benefits are, but one of the most dominant things in mind is that attracting the sympathy of others who support bitcoin gives them merit. I don't think that's a good thing to imitate considering that merit won't be that hard to get, I mean only if they have quality posts.
Rather than deceiving themselves, then I think it would be good for them to speak frankly and share healthy arguments about what they are interested in. Just because of the rise of signature campaigns that pay for bitcoin, you don't have to lie that you only support bitcoin while all altcoins are shitcoins.
Rather than deceiving themselves, then I think it would be good for them to speak frankly and share healthy arguments about what they are interested in. Just because of the rise of signature campaigns that pay for bitcoin, you don't have to lie that you only support bitcoin while all altcoins are shitcoins.
Nothing, even merits are never earned if these members will keep on making fabricated post and lies. There's always a difference if the members will provide real and based on experience stories because other members will eventually feel empathy and appreciate those post through giving merits. Lies are prohibited actually, but sometimes it's hard to control in a forum where everyone is free to share and post.
The reason why people fabricate tall tales is best known to them, it could be for merit, reputation, monetary gains or just trolling. There are less of “bitcoin sucess stories” threads in bitcoin discussion than last year, it wasn’t a newbie thing. Many of the OPs were full member rank and above, I think at the time those threads gave them a opportunity to share a part of their personal life with the forum. Ofcourse there are stories that are not genuine and seem like they were pinched from the stories of others, the fakes are easy to tell. If we can spot a scam crypto project, we can for sure spot a made up story when we see one.
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
It is evidently so, but what an individual Bitcoin forum member can do from their own end is to be genuine and remember that there are eyes and bots here that know when one is spamming or using A.I generated text. I don't need to stress on the repercussion of such act, but anyone who does so has no interest of learning about BTC in the slightest bit, mostly when the lies told here is not on point or related to what is discussed or related to what the idea of this forum stand to promote. Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
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People do good things for bad reasons while they also do bad things for good reasons and this is always the main reason behind what makes people tell lies on the forum. However, this is one of the major drawbacks of a decentralized platform, and since they don't go against the forum rules or do something to someone else it is all good.
In any comment their is fact that is cogent, we can't judge a book by the cover because their is every tendency that the stories or comments we see as a fabricated stories are real, hugeblack has said it all, if you don't like such stories by any user you can ignore the user,because their no story that is baseless, they most be atoms of truth in that story, so therefore I will like us to not depend on the theory of op, because we have no apparatus or experimental tools to figure out is a comment made here is a fabricated one, some people use what they see or noticed around their vicinity to make a thread or their challenges to compose writing, its necessary and understanding from my view evereveryone to air out his or her views.
I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
Why will you frame a story for no reason? Definitely, they have what they are looking for, which we all know is merit. They are looking for an easy way to get merit, and they believe if they can frame up a story, that’s the only time they can get enough merit. There are some posts where, from the way the poster is going to compose it, you will know the story is not real, but I notice posts like that are not really getting merits again, so members have reduced the way they frame story’s.Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative,
Most newbies are not here to learn, they are here to earn, so they are always looking for easy ways to get merit so that they will be able to rank up and join the signature campaign. Only a few newbies are here because they want to learn and impact other forum members, and those are the ones that will grow on the forum here. If you are here primarily because of what you will earn, I don’t think you will be able to build your account because in the process of building your account, you might end up going against the forum rules.some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
I hardly believe the achievements and testimonies people post here without evidence, but I know that most of them do create posts like that because they want to get people’s attention, and maybe the post will be merited. I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
People lie about their bitcoin success for the very same reasons they lie about everything else, to obtain a gain, to prevent a loss, or they lie simply because they like lying, now this can be a difficult problem to tackle because we cannot really ask for proof of their claims and this is because many users here appreciate their own privacy and they will not ask others to give up theirs, especially when we are talking about money matters which could later be exploited by scammers. Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.
This is another method of merit fishing by fabricating stories and present it to the forum as if it was real. This is the reason why pictures are needed to back up your claims. They don't know that those stories wouldn't give them merits but instead it will make forum members to see them as dishonest people and might even lead to putting them on ignore. It is better in improve yourself my learning and your own research so to grow in the forum rather cooking up lies because for how long will you cook up lies that will make you grow in the forum and improve yourself.
Yes, like you said that it is another way of merit fishing, yes it is, but do you know that some of those stories were not fabricated? Yes, some of them are not because if you see a fabricated story you will know and if you sell a true story you will also know. Yes, it is good to put a clear picture of your claims so that people will know that you are saying the truth and not lies. Some forum members have been red taged because of their lies and their false stories. Members who are doing merit fishing are the ones who are so desperate to grow and some of them are not on bitcointalk.org to learn but here to fetch merits and do the otherwise.It is an easy task to grow on bitcointalk.org. It is just for members to make their quality post. That's all. The funny part is that some members don't know that every post can not get a merit, but every merit must be given to a post, either a thread or a comment.
The question to be asked are as followed;
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I think this completely gives the best answers to op's post..
The time spent in phising out fake post why not use those time to share his or her own stories instead of busy looking for fake stories.
You are right; we should definitely avoid spending our time and energy on negative people and negative vibes. But the treatment of such a fictional writer must be done. (hehe). I mean, they are wasting their energy on the wrong forum; they should write fictional stories for drama or movie makers. Why they are spending their time and energy here?......
I think this completely gives the best answers to op's post..
The time spent in phising out fake post why not use those time to share his or her own stories instead of busy looking for fake stories.
Finding answers to your query is so difficult, and yeah, we cannot really blame or tag someone's story as fake without getting into the answers to the questions you mention. But most of the time, some stories are so bold and fake that they tell us by themselves that I am fake.
I can't even imagine myself looking into someone's post or content to see how legit those information are but at some point without you digging into detail you could know they are just cooked up stories which I don't give credits to it (I look at the value it carries). Despite we can't get into detail with it shows we shouldn't call some post fake. Yes we know they are posting for something which we all know but if those aren't provable to him doesn't show they are fake, the best option are to skip it or ignore them and go to the area s/he knows are legit..
...maybe the technical support section are filled with real fact he can decide to post that area to tackle some problems. All I can say is that the general board can be cooked up and you can't stop them flooding since they all want to prove to everyone that can make quality post.
so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.
It's true this is a bitcoin discussion forum, but that doesn't mean ones achievement with Bitcoin can't be shared here, as such is meant to encourage othets/newbies not to give up in their journey about Bitcoin. But if I may ask, what proof have you to tell that a story is true or not true on this forum? Because in as much as the authenticity of a story remains unprovable otherwise, such story remains valid til further notice. However, there are 2 main reasons why people fake stories up, that is;
1. To get merit: As this has to do with someone writing a sweet fake story so as to please people to gain merit for ranking up.
2. To complete weekly post count: As this has to do with someone writing a fake story so as to meet up with his/her weekly post count to get paid on a signature campaign.
The question to be asked are as followed;
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I think this completely gives the best answers to op's post..
The time spent in phising out fake post why not use those time to share his or her own stories instead of busy looking for fake stories.
You are right; we should definitely avoid spending our time and energy on negative people and negative vibes. But the treatment of such a fictional writer must be done. (hehe). I mean, they are wasting their energy on the wrong forum; they should write fictional stories for drama or movie makers. Why they are spending their time and energy here?......
I think this completely gives the best answers to op's post..
The time spent in phising out fake post why not use those time to share his or her own stories instead of busy looking for fake stories.
Finding answers to your query is so difficult, and yeah, we cannot really blame or tag someone's story as fake without getting into the answers to the questions you mention. But most of the time, some stories are so bold and fake that they tell us by themselves that I am fake.
You will find proof after the BTC halving. Its the only season where they can show how much money they've made since they were hodlers. They definitely have reasons to hold because of the benefits.
Proof you might be interested are those futures traders who made money whichever the market goes. No lies about that but then they may not post proof because sometimes, if you do you get more PMs from scammers luring you to their den.
Proof you might be interested are those futures traders who made money whichever the market goes. No lies about that but then they may not post proof because sometimes, if you do you get more PMs from scammers luring you to their den.
The forum allows you the freedom to share your ideas as long as you respect others and do not conflict with bitcointalk rules. So unless the story is completely fictional, you are allowed to share it.
The problem lies in lying and trying to fabricate stories to attract, arouse sympathy, or obtain donations or merits, and sometimes this may be to complete paid posts.
What makes the forum rich is the uniqueness of every individual, shown in their contributions. To that extent, one is expected and has the free will to write what would be as well educative and can result in some good learning.The problem lies in lying and trying to fabricate stories to attract, arouse sympathy, or obtain donations or merits, and sometimes this may be to complete paid posts.
Unfortunately, it becomes a lot challenging for some that leads to fabrications of what could be untrue and deceiving at the same time, aimed at certain purposes.
This is out rightly bad as, you pose a completely fictional situation to be true with the aim of archiving a goal. Some even do it for the fact that, they haven’t created a thread in a long time. How do you tell, you really can’t other than have the hunch and inferences from what you’ve seen over the years.
The bad news is, most still get caught free and it’s still happening till today but with no means to prove a story, you just have to go with it, criticize what you can and don’t let there deals play on you.
Well I would say I understand where you coming from and yes I have seen some post like that, some newbies feel that they can touch other users on their soft spot so as to probably get recognition and even merit from such post and it's really sad to see that some newbies don't want to go through the right road to achieve their goal
But regardless I still see this your post in the same light, if you see a post that is not Bitcoin concerned there is no need to start your own thread I believe that why you can use the REPORT TO MODERATOR option.
But regardless I still see this your post in the same light, if you see a post that is not Bitcoin concerned there is no need to start your own thread I believe that why you can use the REPORT TO MODERATOR option.
Exactly there is nothing else buy for merit if not those fabricated stories wouldn't be created, those newbies are looking for all ways to grow their accounts so they came up with accepting bitcoin in their shops while in real life they don't even have a table shop. Well these days it is not hard to detect those threads again even with evidences. Op as you said, it is better to make extra research and share the knowledge gotten from there than making false stories because of Merit. If they share the real story with evidences they will have more merits on it than the frame up stories.
It's either they are planning to earn merit or merit fishing as what Cantsay said or they are just doing it to meet the required posts needed to get stakes if they are joining a bounty campaign. This forum may be a haven for those who are looking to learn or increase their knowledge about cryptocurrency but also be able to earn money that's why they are sharing stories that didn't even happen at all.
The forum allows you the freedom to share your ideas as long as you respect others and do not conflict with bitcointalk rules. So unless the story is completely fictional, you are allowed to share it.
The problem lies in lying and trying to fabricate stories to attract, arouse sympathy, or obtain donations or merits, and sometimes this may be to complete paid posts.
I understand that such posts are not good, but trying to ban them will require us to fully verify them, and sometimes that is difficult, such as the stories that I built my house with Bitcoin or bought my first phone or computer with my posts in this forum.
Just click on ignore and people will stop when no one intract with them
We cannot actually deny some fictional stories in the forum as the forum itself is widely open to all its members to share stories based from their own experience, or even to those who are fake ones. However, the old members in the forum know it already probably for merit purposes, but my suggestion is just let them be. After all they won’t be making merits for that until they get tired of making such stories and leave the forum. As long as they received no appreciation post from other members, perhaps they will not be encouraged to do it again. The problem lies in lying and trying to fabricate stories to attract, arouse sympathy, or obtain donations or merits, and sometimes this may be to complete paid posts.
I understand that such posts are not good, but trying to ban them will require us to fully verify them, and sometimes that is difficult, such as the stories that I built my house with Bitcoin or bought my first phone or computer with my posts in this forum.
Just click on ignore and people will stop when no one intract with them
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