Topic: What do you think of Comunism? - page 3. (Read 5477 times)
To me its a great theory, maybe some day people become ready to live truly united and unselfish, but for the time being it cannot be implemented. Whereever left sides prevailed people lived in worse conditions, thats the truth. We live in a world where capitalism rules.
In Cuba no one dies of cold because there is warm climate. Look closely what the Communists did in Cuba. The Internet is now just appears, the Cubans only recently allowed to have a microwave and a mobile phone. Private businesses were allowed to engage but still is a very strict control. And much more.
You explain me how you're expecting Cuba to have internet or microwave while having a strict embargo thanks to USA?Of course they had trouble with technological development, USA forbid ANY EXCHANGE with the rest of the world including technological ones!
No... Are you dumb? People don't have a microwave not because Castro forbid it but because the US blocus prevent any microwave to reach the island!!!
That's like so obvious I don't even understand how some people can not understand xD
In Cuba no one dies of cold because there is warm climate. Look closely what the Communists did in Cuba. The Internet is now just appears, the Cubans only recently allowed to have a microwave and a mobile phone. Private businesses were allowed to engage but still is a very strict control. And much more.
You explain me how you're expecting Cuba to have internet or microwave while having a strict embargo thanks to USA?Of course they had trouble with technological development, USA forbid ANY EXCHANGE with the rest of the world including technological ones!
When we consider communism is the concept or utopia of a classless society, social equality and freedom of all, then there was never communism in the countries so far. The Soviet Union or China were ruled by Communist Party, yes. But to the original definition it does not really fit, I think.
And when we consider communism as a Rulership system as so far in the countries mentioned then it does not work in the long run, because the people somehow resist it.
And when we consider communism as a Rulership system as so far in the countries mentioned then it does not work in the long run, because the people somehow resist it.
In Cuba no one dies of cold because there is warm climate. Look closely what the Communists did in Cuba. The Internet is now just appears, the Cubans only recently allowed to have a microwave and a mobile phone. Private businesses were allowed to engage but still is a very strict control. And much more.
You explain me how you're expecting Cuba to have internet or microwave while having a strict embargo thanks to USA?Of course they had trouble with technological development, USA forbid ANY EXCHANGE with the rest of the world including technological ones!
In Cuba no one dies of cold because there is warm climate. Look closely what the Communists did in Cuba. The Internet is now just appears, the Cubans only recently allowed to have a microwave and a mobile phone. Private businesses were allowed to engage but still is a very strict control. And much more.
Before you argue that communism is democracy show me at least one example of a successful Communist country. For the beautiful words and slogans lurks the hellish entity. As the Bible says "paved with good intentions the road to hell"
If the Bible says so I guess it must be true xD
Show us one example of a successful Capitalist country jsut so we can laugh a bit ^^
South Korea, Japan, USA, Geramny, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, UAE,etc... so, what about those communist countries? North Korea? Cuba? Vietnam? cmon dude...
And you wanna compare the life condition of Cuba to all the countries you've given?
Poverty rate? Access to healthcare?
You call them successful counties? I say you have your own criteria... When you got more than 10% of your population under poverty rate I don't call that "successful"!!!
It's easy to consider a country is successful if you don't care about the 20% poorer...
oh so you're that kind of person:" Real communism hasn't been tried yet" well sorry, but it is...
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"And you wanna compare the life condition of Cuba to all the countries you've given?
Poverty rate? Access to healthcare?" and why is that? Maybe because of communism/dictatorship?
haha because it's worse to have 10% who are living in poverty than a whole country living in poverty. lol
And why are they poor? I know why some people in Serbia, that's not that rich of a country, are in povery... and that's because they've dropped out of school, are alcoholics, drug addicts, gamblers,etc... maybe 1-2% are in poverty because of someone elses fault.
It would be far too long to explain you how wrong you are here :/Poverty rate? Access to healthcare?" and why is that? Maybe because of communism/dictatorship?
haha because it's worse to have 10% who are living in poverty than a whole country living in poverty. lol
And why are they poor? I know why some people in Serbia, that's not that rich of a country, are in povery... and that's because they've dropped out of school, are alcoholics, drug addicts, gamblers,etc... maybe 1-2% are in poverty because of someone elses fault.
I can only suggest you to try reading some important books concerning the actual way our society works. like Bourdieu at first, read Marx too as it's damn interesting even if a bit outdated (Internet changed lots of things).
But mainly I'd invite you to reconsider two things:
-First when nearly 20% of your society is poor and doesn't manage to live correctly, it's not because of human defaults, it's a social problem. It's because of how the society is built, it can't be random!
-Second, try to stop thinking that YOUR vision of the world is absolute. You're saying Cuban people are all living in poverty? Well they all had a home, electricity, food and access to one of the best healthcare of the continent (so good that Cuban doctors actually went in south america to help other countries). There is no homeless in Cuba. There is no famine, no one dies in the street because of the cold..
Before you argue that communism is democracy show me at least one example of a successful Communist country. For the beautiful words and slogans lurks the hellish entity. As the Bible says "paved with good intentions the road to hell"
If the Bible says so I guess it must be true xD
Show us one example of a successful Capitalist country jsut so we can laugh a bit ^^
South Korea, Japan, USA, Geramny, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, UAE,etc... so, what about those communist countries? North Korea? Cuba? Vietnam? cmon dude...
And you wanna compare the life condition of Cuba to all the countries you've given?
Poverty rate? Access to healthcare?
You call them successful counties? I say you have your own criteria... When you got more than 10% of your population under poverty rate I don't call that "successful"!!!
It's easy to consider a country is successful if you don't care about the 20% poorer...
oh so you're that kind of person:" Real communism hasn't been tried yet" well sorry, but it is...
"And you wanna compare the life condition of Cuba to all the countries you've given?
Poverty rate? Access to healthcare?" and why is that? Maybe because of communism/dictatorship?
haha because it's worse to have 10% who are living in poverty than a whole country living in poverty. lol
And why are they poor? I know why some people in Serbia, that's not that rich of a country, are in povery... and that's because they've dropped out of school, are alcoholics, drug addicts, gamblers,etc... maybe 1-2% are in poverty because of someone elses fault.
Can we stop argue about communism? It is not some hellish system. Communism is good on paper but is unfit for the people.
Communism is worse to implement because of flawed human nature. We can't have ideal system equally good for everyone since humans are flawed.
Humans are greedy, jealousy driven and mostly self-centered individuals. Sooner of later there is always who thing he/she should be the king.
Communism is worse to implement because of flawed human nature. We can't have ideal system equally good for everyone since humans are flawed.
Humans are greedy, jealousy driven and mostly self-centered individuals. Sooner of later there is always who thing he/she should be the king.
Here's a comment that best describes communism. Good on paper but because not all people are the same and think the same, and that's why communism doesn't/CAN'T work.
Most communists do not recognize themselves in the politics of Stalin or Mao.
As I have already said, even if there is not as much communism as communist, the definition that each communist makes of his ideology varies greatly according to the individual.
As I have already said, even if there is not as much communism as communist, the definition that each communist makes of his ideology varies greatly according to the individual.
Indeed but the main principle remain the same.
Giving to the proletarians (which means the workers) the control and the possession of their own means of production. Thus taking away the absolute power of the capitalists, power that they currently have.
People all cry shit against communism but still complain about the establishment...
That's the damn same problem communism is trying to get rid of.
Capitalism seems to be the better economic system. Communism just doesn't work
Communism needs to die, all that have been touched with communism will never be develop this idea only brings dictatorship
Before you argue that communism is democracy show me at least one example of a successful Communist country. For the beautiful words and slogans lurks the hellish entity. As the Bible says "paved with good intentions the road to hell"
There is no example BECAUSE THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY!
Is that so hard to understand??
Give me an example of a communist country -> There is none.
That's freaking easy to understand for god's sake!
Can we stop argue about communism? It is not some hellish system. Communism is good on paper but is unfit for the people.
Communism is worse to implement because of flawed human nature. We can't have ideal system equally good for everyone since humans are flawed.
Humans are greedy, jealousy driven and mostly self-centered individuals. Sooner of later there is always who thing he/she should be the king.
Communism is worse to implement because of flawed human nature. We can't have ideal system equally good for everyone since humans are flawed.
Humans are greedy, jealousy driven and mostly self-centered individuals. Sooner of later there is always who thing he/she should be the king.
The idea of communism is that we can fight this defaults by grouping people together.
When you've got one individual you have all the defaults and qualities possible.
But when you have a global organisation you can chose to focus on some qualities and enhance them
Human nature is also to get above its natural desires. That's why our species has evolved
Can we stop argue about communism? It is not some hellish system. Communism is good on paper but is unfit for the people.
Communism is worse to implement because of flawed human nature. We can't have ideal system equally good for everyone since humans are flawed.
Humans are greedy, jealousy driven and mostly self-centered individuals. Sooner of later there is always who thing he/she should be the king.
Communism is worse to implement because of flawed human nature. We can't have ideal system equally good for everyone since humans are flawed.
Humans are greedy, jealousy driven and mostly self-centered individuals. Sooner of later there is always who thing he/she should be the king.
Before you argue that communism is democracy show me at least one example of a successful Communist country. For the beautiful words and slogans lurks the hellish entity. As the Bible says "paved with good intentions the road to hell"
If the Bible says so I guess it must be true xD
Show us one example of a successful Capitalist country jsut so we can laugh a bit ^^
South Korea, Japan, USA, Geramny, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, UAE,etc... so, what about those communist countries? North Korea? Cuba? Vietnam? cmon dude...
And you wanna compare the life condition of Cuba to all the countries you've given?
Poverty rate? Access to healthcare?
You call them successful counties? I say you have your own criteria... When you got more than 10% of your population under poverty rate I don't call that "successful"!!!
It's easy to consider a country is successful if you don't care about the 20% poorer...
Before you argue that communism is democracy show me at least one example of a successful Communist country. For the beautiful words and slogans lurks the hellish entity. As the Bible says "paved with good intentions the road to hell"
If the Bible says so I guess it must be true xD
Show us one example of a successful Capitalist country jsut so we can laugh a bit ^^
South Korea, Japan, USA, Geramny, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, UAE,etc... so, what about those communist countries? North Korea? Cuba? Vietnam? cmon dude...
Before you argue that communism is democracy show me at least one example of a successful Communist country. For the beautiful words and slogans lurks the hellish entity. As the Bible says "paved with good intentions the road to hell"
If the Bible says so I guess it must be true xD
Show us one example of a successful Capitalist country jsut so we can laugh a bit ^^
I know this is a controversial topic so I'll keep it inoffensive and just make some clarifications based on my (biased) views. Most of the countries mentioned were not communist. I do not believe that their aim was communism either, except maybe the USSR pre-Stalin. The reason that these countries call themselves communist is because the idea is so positive - the idea of total equality, in which selfishness is not rewarded like in capitalism but accepted as a negative asset.
Communism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Communism advocates a workers' uprising which is achieved by the working class (proletariat) and in modern society I would argue that this includes the parts of the middle class who do not run businesses. This accounts for the vast majority of people in a country and is therefore in itself democratic. Furthermore, communism advocates a form of economic democracy in which workers decide who leads and manages them, which could never happen universally in capitalism due to the private sector.
The arguments that communism "doesn't work" appear to be unnecessary, because if you believe the USSR was communist you believe that communism worked for 70 years, which is easily long enough to show that it is a sustainable system, even though the USSR was terribly authoritarian and arguably resulted in many deaths.
I'd also like to say that capitalism has taken the better part of 200 years to get where it is today. In the early days of capitalism and even today in many areas of the world there were corrupt leaders, deaths caused by excessive consumption, and the inherent flaws of regulation being impossible for all business at once.
If you want to respond to these arguments please read carefully and don't insult me because you think I don't understand.
Communism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Communism advocates a workers' uprising which is achieved by the working class (proletariat) and in modern society I would argue that this includes the parts of the middle class who do not run businesses. This accounts for the vast majority of people in a country and is therefore in itself democratic. Furthermore, communism advocates a form of economic democracy in which workers decide who leads and manages them, which could never happen universally in capitalism due to the private sector.
The arguments that communism "doesn't work" appear to be unnecessary, because if you believe the USSR was communist you believe that communism worked for 70 years, which is easily long enough to show that it is a sustainable system, even though the USSR was terribly authoritarian and arguably resulted in many deaths.
I'd also like to say that capitalism has taken the better part of 200 years to get where it is today. In the early days of capitalism and even today in many areas of the world there were corrupt leaders, deaths caused by excessive consumption, and the inherent flaws of regulation being impossible for all business at once.
If you want to respond to these arguments please read carefully and don't insult me because you think I don't understand.
Thank you for being a member taking the time to develop his idea with real arguments. We should have a system to ban the spammers that surround posts like yours.
I think all I can say is: I perfectly agree with you.
I'd even say that communism can only be democratic. If it is not, it means it's not communism.
And an important point would also be adding that it's not because communism failed once or twice that it's internally broken!
I know this is a controversial topic so I'll keep it inoffensive and just make some clarifications based on my (biased) views. Most of the countries mentioned were not communist. I do not believe that their aim was communism either, except maybe the USSR pre-Stalin. The reason that these countries call themselves communist is because the idea is so positive - the idea of total equality, in which selfishness is not rewarded like in capitalism but accepted as a negative asset.
Communism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Communism advocates a workers' uprising which is achieved by the working class (proletariat) and in modern society I would argue that this includes the parts of the middle class who do not run businesses. This accounts for the vast majority of people in a country and is therefore in itself democratic. Furthermore, communism advocates a form of economic democracy in which workers decide who leads and manages them, which could never happen universally in capitalism due to the private sector.
The arguments that communism "doesn't work" appear to be unnecessary, because if you believe the USSR was communist you believe that communism worked for 70 years, which is easily long enough to show that it is a sustainable system, even though the USSR was terribly authoritarian and arguably resulted in many deaths.
I'd also like to say that capitalism has taken the better part of 200 years to get where it is today. In the early days of capitalism and even today in many areas of the world there were corrupt leaders, deaths caused by excessive consumption, and the inherent flaws of regulation being impossible for all business at once.
If you want to respond to these arguments please read carefully and don't insult me because you think I don't understand.
Communism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Communism advocates a workers' uprising which is achieved by the working class (proletariat) and in modern society I would argue that this includes the parts of the middle class who do not run businesses. This accounts for the vast majority of people in a country and is therefore in itself democratic. Furthermore, communism advocates a form of economic democracy in which workers decide who leads and manages them, which could never happen universally in capitalism due to the private sector.
The arguments that communism "doesn't work" appear to be unnecessary, because if you believe the USSR was communist you believe that communism worked for 70 years, which is easily long enough to show that it is a sustainable system, even though the USSR was terribly authoritarian and arguably resulted in many deaths.
I'd also like to say that capitalism has taken the better part of 200 years to get where it is today. In the early days of capitalism and even today in many areas of the world there were corrupt leaders, deaths caused by excessive consumption, and the inherent flaws of regulation being impossible for all business at once.
If you want to respond to these arguments please read carefully and don't insult me because you think I don't understand.
Thank you for being a member taking the time to develop his idea with real arguments. We should have a system to ban the spammers that surround posts like yours.
I think all I can say is: I perfectly agree with you.
I'd even say that communism can only be democratic. If it is not, it means it's not communism.
And an important point would also be adding that it's not because communism failed once or twice that it's internally broken!
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