Topic: What do you think of Comunism? - page 5. (Read 5473 times)

The idea behind communism is that everything is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs,but it is really hard to make that into reality in a real world situation and so is the reason you see the majority of the communist countries fail in the long term.

i think some chinese living worse than american but some maybe live more fun if we differentiate them with americans. same vice versa. it depends on which category they belongs to. if they are poor then they will live miserable life but if they have money to live in they will probably live fun.

Of course the Chinese are living worse than the Americans. But you do not forget that the ruling party in Communist China, and the device state is not communism. Besides, China's economy is not as powerful as it seems.

I agree that we no see prosperous country that could stand as comunist country. Is China said prosperous country? I don't think China Citizens  are  more prosperous than Americans.

Name me one prosperous country which tried to build communism. Moreover, all States are unable to overcome the consequences of the construction of communism until now. Communism is a plague!

Comunism is bad ideology

It's a fail system that looks good on the paper but it's terrible in practise, and as we all know, always ends up in totalitarism and leads up to poverty and destruction of a country.

Comunism is a disease, it's a plague. It brings corruption and poverty (2 classes are defining, the very poor ones and the very rich(corrupted) ones) and the more corrupted people are, the more powerful comunism n that country is.
Corruption spreads like a disease and people will do anything for some extra money.
Even if the comunism is over in a country due to mass revolt and that country turns democratic with free elections, still the bad habits, corruption, will exist for decades (few generations) .
And what is most dangerous is the corrupted ones will try to take over the power and bring a new form of comunism with fake election results.
I live for years in a comunist country (now ex-comunist Romania ) so nobody can tell me how the comunism is or would be theoretically   unless he lives in a comunist or ex-comunist country.
Comunism ideology is to take from everyone or from rich ones and share it to everyone so everyone become equal but in fact comunism brings corruption . Comunism ideology is seems just the ants or the bees kingdoms where the ant-queen or the bee-queen take the work from everyone and gives order to kill who doesn't obey.
In comunism you are not allowed to own lands , you are not allowed to speak bad and you are not allowed to make fortune unless you are involved directly to serve the comunism by being a secret agent or work in politics.
Comunism is the worst invention of the human kind, besides money.
I could write 10 pages of bitcointalk forum about comunism and still won't be enough.

here : winter 2016-2017 : huge protests against corruption , after 27 years since comunism has fallen. Since 27 years , same party PSD  under different names rules Romania country sinking it into darkness literally ,corruption, comunism, poverty which brings low rate of alphabetization and diseases.

The Communists thought that people will with the same diligence to work on different jobs without money. It is a utopia. The main goal of the Communists is to take everything from the rich and divide among themselves.

Communism is a horrible concept, but it must be thought about of what you're referring to when you speak about communism. Most people who support communism support Marxism communism without any type of corruption within the government which usually runs rampant along with a communist government like in Russia under Stalin. The idea is great and all, though I don't really see a point for innovation and change in a communist government / economy as people aren't going to get more / gain anything from doing more then they're required to do.

I know the system is usually you get paid for what you work, but in communism isn't everyone supposed to be equal. (Saying supposed to due to the greed of people leading to this NEVER being followed, and it never will)

Well so far the communism in my country is good and peaceful. Communism is important to the people because it is the way to have unity, peace in the country and well organized by the government.

But is communism still the reason why all the people in your/my country are in peace? Live with no harm? Or not?

Communism is hostile to the doctrine which is easier to prevent than to win. People should know that. Communists always agitate against the government and have a chance to hand them to the authorities first.

That is why Authorities are now reaching out to locals, so it can be prevented... What those uneducated people wants is the attention from the government... With new infrastructures, and increased opportunities, those can be prevented from being recruited by those communist who are  who are spreading their propaganda and inculcating into their mind the doctrine with whatsoever promise... 

You are not right. Communist ideology is like a religion. It offers a Paradise on earth already but in the future, it was impossible to check. People who have poor education and do not want to work but want to live like rich people believe it always leads to blood.

So far, this year, communist in where I live are only few in numbers and they are on the mountains, but their leader is in the other country, having a good time there while all his comrades are dying to fight for their ideology...

Actually I do not see them as a threat now, their strength is not that strong anymore, unlike during the past... 

Well in my country the growth of comunism is really good for all. I have to agree with that commusim is really a threat to religion and goverment they have taken away from the people that has property owned but they really don't pay according to our abilities they just give it with no question ask for that matter growth of communism is really slow here in my country because the government is focusing on something else aside from the people that are needed help

I think communism takes grip mostly on countries that have an unstable government. People need strong leaders who can both be respected and feared and for countries that don't have these kind of governments, people may rally behind and support communists.

I think those who appreciate or advocate communism have given very little thought as to the practical application of this system, and think of only the promised gains; boy wouldn't it be great if everyone was even and wasn't self-interested, if everyone gave what they could and got what they needed--but these are humans we're talking about.

Everyone's looking out for themselves: it's how our ancestors made it, it's how their ancestor's made it, it's how every single chain of evolution down the line managed to make it: every altruistic being to have ever existed has perished as an individual entity, for those beings which were self-interested took more than those being which were not: the altruistic beings gave but did not get back, and the power gained by the self-interested organisms made it very easy to control the altruistic organisms.

Consider the history of communism: the idea, when it was first gaining traction, was that the communist society would be populated by the "new socialist man": this man, as described, would be the altruistic individual who, through cultural training, would be fully accepting of the gateway between capitalism and communism: socialism.  In the societies in which socialism was attempted, in the pursuit of communism, this "new socialist man" never sprouted: it was the same old self-interested genes which every living being needs to thrive.  The system was not designed for this manner of being, it was designed for some other non-existing creature, and as such problems arose: for example, in Soviet Russia--a failed socialist state--you were assigned by the state to perform a given job; people were not paid any more or less based on their performance, nor did they personally own any of the organizations they worked for (ironically), so wound up giving the absolute minimal effort required to get through the day.  Usually this was not a job you particularly enjoyed; the state was not interested in you as an individual, you were simply a cog in the collective.

Performance levels of farms and factories plummeted; necessary parts to make things worked were of terrible quality, as the quotas being met were technically fulfilled, just not very well.  Productivity plummets; all the capital gained from capitalism is drying up, and since people cannot simply go out in a market and fix what needed to be fixed--that was abolished, after all, along with money, and even if it wasn't abolished they were promised 'what they needed' anyway.  Without a price system, nobody knows what's worth what anymore--this makes it impossible to care for finite resources: normally as supply dwindles and demand rises the price rises with it, a natural deterrent to overconsumption, but no such indication existed, so those resources were often spent frivolously, and that's compounded with poor worker performance.

The economy suffered tremendously; people were dropping like flies: if they weren't dying from starvation, they were being killed by their own governments, dying in wars of desperation, and even being genocided just because the men in power could.  Needless to say, they had to go back to some form of partial free market activity to survive, and thus the Soviet Union is no more, and "communist" China is not communist, though its head political party claims to be, and a whole list of other socialist nations stopped being socialist; one would think socialism would've finally died there, but with the magic wand of public education, the lesson was lost on resulting generations who are yet ignorant of the horrors born from the abandonment of capitalism and its principles.

Whatever the methodology is to achieving communism, it's certainly not going to be met politically; politicians necessary demand more power to run a communist society, and the power difference goes entirely against the communist principle of a classless egalitarian society.  The state isn't going to simply melt away, after all; once power is consolidated (i.e. monopolized) under one entity, why would they ever give it up?  Again, the altruist loses, and the self-interested thrive.  Just look at the political classes of North Korea and Venezuela: they thrive while their slaves perish.

But I'll be frank: even if communism were achievable by some other means--say, you create the "new socialist man" in a lab tube who is genetically programmed to act altruistically--they would be demolished by the self-interested people, just like the altruist's ancestors were before their lineage even got started.  Altruists will always be taken advantage of, and from an evolutionary standpoint, it's a quality of weakness.  A strong society is one which is full of self-interested individualists, as there is mutual respect between these "masters": a group of self-interested people create rules to help themselves--and thereby everyone else in the process.  For example, if everyone agrees to the respect of each person's private property, everyone has the incentive to improve their own lives, to keep what they have rightfully earned, which vastly improves their productivity over the notion that their earnings will be seized "for the greater good."  There is no stronger motivator for the base human brain than the notion that it will be overall improved.

Given this, why do people turn to communism in the first place?  It is the exact same motivator: the individual believes they will gain from the promises made by communism; perhaps they envy the rich, and wish to partake in some of their wealth, their "deserved" slice of the pie--such payment will be enough motivation to make the communist system work, they imagine before ever having been through it.  The individual, if short-sighted and ignorant enough, will believe there is everything to gain and nothing to lose, but the individual who is well-informed and who thinks far enough into the future will realize that there is nothing to gain and everything to lose.

As a post-script: there are many ideas on how to democratically implement a public-ownership system.  The only ones I've seen which stood a chance at working out were those limited in scope to a single community (max 300-400 people.)  A small, homogeneous community may very well perform better in a system of local public ownership, but this is very far from the Marxist-Leninist interpretation of a global communist system, which is usually what people refer to when talking about some kind of nationally-implemented socialist system (a stepping stone to the global communism)...one could say such individuals were...national socialists...what was the nickname for national socialists again?  Well it seems they don't like the term Nazi and prefer to call themselves "democratic socialists" instead these days, but the ideas are all the same: tried and tired and beaten but still hanging on.  Perhaps the Internet will help us put the idea to death once and for all.

Communism is a pipedream and most "communist" governments turn into totalitarian shit holes.

It's not only what you think, it's a fact. They are the cause why people have a lack of independence to live free. Sadly, it is impossible to unleash 100% of them because they we armed and if ever some of them were killed, they can influnce others to go against the peace which is what their side.