Topic: What do you think of Comunism? - page 4. (Read 5477 times)

Under the guise of beautiful promises of the Communists always death. During the revolution, the Communists relied on the lower class people who are not only uneducated but also very greedy. The main incentive for them was the slogan "take Away and divide". This is not democracy.

It is true that the peasants had no choice but to work in the public sector.  When capitalism replaced feudalism in many countries, peasants were forced to work in the private sector.  In both cases, some were supportive and some not, and I would argue that revolutions for communism are inherently democratic as it is the people with less power (the majority) who overthrow those with power (in this case the Russian monarchy, who, tragically, were killed).  However revolutions for capitalism would naturally be less likely to be democratic.  Why? Because people have financial incentives and use their money for power.

As for your second point, I agree.  That was a poor decision from the (overly concentrated) authorities of the USSR.  However I don't necessarily believe that this relates to democracy - people can have few freedoms and still have processes of democracy which affect their lives.

Want to disappoint you. The Soviet economy was built by the Germans and the Americans. Brains and technology was there. Some companies are still running equipment 1920s-1930s. Political repression helped to create millions of free slaves for the construction work.

Whatever its intentions were, communism in the USSR created an economy noted for long lines, massive shortages, and a complete inability to obtain consumer goods outside of the black market

Argument No. 1. In the USSR under communism, the peasants were driven by force into collective farms. They almost kept up on the reservation and all the products were selected. In 1974 the rural inhabitants of the Soviet Union finally decided to issue passports, forbidding, however, to take them to the cities to work. What to do with democracy?

I know this is a controversial topic so I'll keep it inoffensive and just make some clarifications based on my (biased) views.  Most of the countries mentioned were not communist.  I do not believe that their aim was communism either, except maybe the USSR pre-Stalin.  The reason that these countries call themselves communist is because the idea is so positive - the idea of total equality, in which selfishness is not rewarded like in capitalism but accepted as a negative asset.

Communism and democracy are not mutually exclusive.  Communism advocates a workers' uprising which is achieved by the working class (proletariat) and in modern society I would argue that this includes the parts of the middle class who do not run businesses.  This accounts for the vast majority of people in a country and is therefore in itself democratic.  Furthermore, communism advocates a form of economic democracy in which workers decide who leads and manages them, which could never happen universally in capitalism due to the private sector.

The arguments that communism "doesn't work" appear to be unnecessary, because if you believe the USSR was communist you believe that communism worked for 70 years, which is easily long enough to show that it is a sustainable system, even though the USSR was terribly authoritarian and arguably resulted in many deaths.

I'd also like to say that capitalism has taken the better part of 200 years to get where it is today.  In the early days of capitalism and even today in many areas of the world there were corrupt leaders, deaths caused by excessive consumption, and the inherent flaws of regulation being impossible for all business at once.

If you want to respond to these arguments please read carefully and don't insult me because you think I don't understand.

Let's start with the fact that neither Latin nor philosophy in schools do not study. You do not speak the truth. I am also sure that you're from Russia and you few years. When I lived in Russia and I want to tell you learn the history of your country. Under Lenin, the dictatorship of the proletariat, while Stalin's repressions were.

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Proletariat is a latin word...
That's not propaganda that's etymology...
And Russia has NEVER been in a dictatorship of proletarians, that was Staline's dictatorship nothing else...

It seems that contrary to you I had latin, history and philosophical classes at school...
Ignored too

You are spam this thread. You're obviously Russian and was a bad student in school. Read the writings of your idol Lenin and read the story to what led to the dictatorship of the proletariat in Russia. Salaried people in offices is the proletariat? Stop your Communist propaganda.

I ignore you and stop answering.
You're just spamming your signature and polluting the thread.
Here is a definition of proletariat in case someone doubts you're saying pure shit: "The proletariat (/ˌproʊlᵻˈtɛəri.ət/ from Latin proletarius) is a term for the class of wage-earners, in a capitalist society, whose only possession of significant material value is their labor-power (their ability to work); a member of such a class is a proletarian."

Proletarians are workers. They're the vast majority.
The dictatorship of proletarian means that the people impose their will.
That's what democracy is, the rule of the will of the majority.

Never democracy is not based on dictatorship. Moreover the proletariat is that part of society that does not want to receive a serious education, and always envied people who have achieved great success in life.

You're not even writing in English now...
Stop spamming for your signature, either shut up or start bringing real arguments.

Proletariat is the opposite of the capitalistic bourgeoisie. It means proletariat is all the WORKERS who actually PRODUCE things.
Proletariat is thus the whole working population, it's like 95% of the population.
So dictatorship of proletariat is democracy... The exact definition of democracy.

Are you talking about what you don't understand. Dictatorship is always violence. The proletariat is only a part of society, what is not the best and educated. The dictatorship of the proletariat is terror beggar the illiterate population.

What you're saying is a complete nonsense...
Dictatorship of the proletariat... That's democracy idiot xD
Proletariat is the vast majority of the population. The dictatorship of the vast majority of population? That's the very definition of true democracy.

And those 2 communist states are (were for USSR) totalitarian states, the proletariat has no power here.

No, you're wrong. What do you know about communism? This is the reason not in a totalitarian state, and the state becomes totalitarian due to the fact that professed by Communist ideology. And what is the dictatorship of the proletariat, you know?

Do you even read what I wrote or you're just spamming for your sig campaign?
I'm well aware of the effects in North Korea and USSR. But that's completely irrelevant! That's like accusing capitalism of the atrocities of third Reich! Those two are totalitarian states, whatever the economic system you put in place the consequences will be disastrous!!!

Nothing interesting in the communism there. You argue because I have never encountered communism in the flesh. View the consequences of the construction of communism in North Korea, the Soviet Union.

Funny how everyone is spitting on an economic system that was implement only in dictatorships and say that it can't work because it failed everytime...

Like a totalitarian State can succeed.

Communism is an interesting ideology that has much more sense than what all the brainwashed Americans seem to believe. The main idea of communism is that we produce far too much compare to our needs, and hence that people should be allowed to own their tools of production in order to spread in an equal way the wealth produced.
People simplify it by "everyone owns nothing and they all have the same wage" while it's incredibly more complex than that!
Communism means true democracy, share of powers and responsibilities. It doesn't mean people will stop working! It's a different project of society in which the word "working" has a completely different meaning than in capitalism!!!

Not saying it's a perfect system, but stop using bullshit arguments like those ones, it's a complex idea that might be a good way to follow or at least to inspire more projects.

Communism is a fairy tale for adults. No one has ever not build communism. Another thing is that under the pretext of building communism Ludi who can not and do not want to work taken the property from the rich and destroy the economy.

countries that practice communism do not allow freedom of speech and the right to some basic things in life.if the people likes it so be it,the government dectate so many things and they dont have privacy