Topic: What happens if someone mistakenly tags you a negative trust and dies? - page 2. (Read 645 times)

I guess that's true, although isn't Vod still on some level of DT?  Even if he's not, there may be a chance that an inactive or deceased member might be kept on DT because of the respect of the feedback they've left by the community--know what I'm saying?  So it might not be true in all cases that a red neg would eventually turn to not-red.  Nor should it, especially in the case of scammers.

Anyway OP, that's how this crazy trust system here is structured.  It's been this way since I became a member and it's looking like it ain't gonna change in my lifetime.  I think it's far, far from an ideal system, but it's what we've got to work with--so either accept it or try to get Theymos to do something about it.  I do think if spam feedback stays well after a member has gone inactive that it's a problem.  And we all know spam feedback when we see it, so let's not quibble about semantics.  It'd be nice if mods would remove those (although there's so much of that kind of crap that it'd be an overwhelming task).

Unfortunately, this is not what happens according to the system that the forum operates on trust feedbacks. Once you verify the list of trusted members, you will find among them members who have been absent and others who have not been active for a long time. Rather, there are already untrusted members among them, as evidenced by many facts against them.
About the topic rised by Op, the only solution from my point of view is to add ratings from other members about the rating left by the deceased member, since the forum system prevents the administration from changing or canceling these ratings.

One single wrong feedback can't turn anyone OFF dt because they may have hundreds of correct feedback. In such a case, you won't be able to do anything. You have to carry with the feedback.
TMAN has already been mentioned. I know Zepher from the forum who have died (RIP) but still in DT because of their correct use of feedback. No matter what, if majority of their feedbacks are correct, they are not likely to get OFF dt.

Trust is not a static thing to be rated from one netgative trust, but the sum of your negative and positive score determines whether you are trustworthy or not. There is a case where @best_change account received a nagtive trust from @TMAN and yet he runs a successful signature campaign and many trust him without affecting that trust.

if events as you said might happen. I don't think moderators and admins will interfere with the trust placed in you. it's all personal, you with the person marking you negative.
even if the person who tagged you is no longer on DT, it will remain in your account forever. looks negative or not, if the creator doesn't delete it won't disappear from your account.

I think this question is too far fetched. It's very unlikely that someone leaves negative feedback by mistake, let alone die suddenly after. You should try to fix the problem before he dies The trust system in this forum is so perverse that this would be the very last thing to think about, if it's even worth thinking about.

Trust ratings are irreversible, the red tag remains forever no matter how many positive trust you get after that until if there is any change in the trust feedback system but once it was trust score which is different from now.

Anyway the chances of giving red tags with no proper reason is less likely to happen or if it happens then the user can come up with a thread regarding and seek for the actual reason.

If there is a DT member who gives you (red Trust),: wrongly, you can appeal in reputation to explain the problem, before he died, for that some DT members here put a lot of emphasis on the system as below.


As said by: @BitcoinGirl.Club.
The words of @BitcoinGirl.Club, a decision can be made, if the relevant member gives (red Trust),: for you, and leave the forum forever, if proven you are innocent, of course maybe the admin can decide the deletion plan: B, but if on the other hand you are guilty and he is still in DT position, your efforts are in vain no one cares about the (red trust) you have, that is something else added.

You need to understand that Theymos wants a decentralized feedback system. He value uses' collective understanding of a system. For it, he does not enforce anything. We don't even have any official rules per se.

Theymos discouraged retaliatory feedback. Counter seems a form of retaliatory. If you think anyone is not using their feedback properly or if you feel their judgement is controversy or they make wrong calls then "~" them. Leaving a counter against a red feedback or a counter against a green feedback does not change anything.

Again it all depends. I am speaking my mind and how I understand the system that most are comfortable to use. Ignore the part where there are personal interest and financial motivation for many users.

Technically you are right but since Theymos didn’t provide a guide on how to this with this kind of special situation which the user who gives feedback is not available anymore while the feedback is not valid already, The counter feedback is a improvised solution to neutralized that negative and we know that this is still being used on some scenario that some DT gives unreasonable feedback to other user just because of his personal opinion didn’t align to the negative trust receiver point of view.

OP, you need to read this post. I think that after reading, you will have an understanding of who can put negative tags and in what quantity and in what rank.

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

Also try to create your own list of trust, especially since you can study this topic at the same time as creating a list.

It depends.
Should we trust the account when it is not active for long long time and no further contribution to the forum?

I do not see such account should be in the DT system anymore. I will practice not adding him in my trust setting at all. If he become active and can prove that he is owner of the same account then I am more than happy to add him on my trust setting.

that was always a dilemma. if some proven forum user has stopped coming here (no matter what is the reason) whether that is a reason to be excluded from the DT list?
For example, should we distrust TMAN because it has been offline for a long time thus hiding all the negative tags he left?
He ^TMAN is left some inappropriate red feedback (in my opinion) in the Best_Change case ^{he might as well change his mind if he is active}, but I believe he should stay in DT because he did a lot of the work marking risky accounts.

TMAN, no one knows what happened to him. Bruno, everyone knows he died. Lauda, left the forum.

There are many users who are not with us for different causes. All cases are different. But I think it is safe to say, when anyone die and if this is confirmed then people will remove him from their trust setting since his judgement does not reflect the current value for the forum anymore.

The trust feedback is actually not for counter feedback to each others. It used to be but now the appropriate trust feedback is to leave one when you are in business with a user. Problem still remains because some people think they are too important to the system.

If the tag is not valid anymore, The DT1 can exclude that particular person so that his tag will not have any weight for your trust score but if the person is not a DT then it’s feedback don’t matter anymore. Usually some DT usually counters it by neutral feedback to negate the negative feedback that already given since it unmoderated. There’s a lot of case like this especially on casino accounts that previously has an issue and resolved later but the problem was the person give that negative feedback already gone or not using the forum anymore. You will notice a more positive feedback is given to counter it since trust score what’s matter most and not the single neg feedback that goven in the past. The recent feedback always govern since it’s on the top of your trust page.

We can say it is reversible but admin and moderators do not want to interfere with trust system, so consider it irreversible.

At any rank, but it appears distinct on your profile page and in each post you make if a DT member tag your account. Trust system is more about DT members because they have more power to make the trust appear more to other forum users.

As many as possible, but if not legit and seem like using it to spam like giving one user like hundreds of negative trusts, it can be reported and probably it would be deleted, even if not deleted, only one will appear per user unless you visit the user's trust page.

He will eventually drop from the DT list and his rating will become meaningless. For a while you’ll still flash red but it will eventually disappear. You shouldn’t worry about it that much. However, the fishy part here is verifying the death of this individual. Some forum users go dormant for a few years and come back later. You can’t assume that they are dead.

1. Only the user can moderate the rating they left for others however admin can always change setting. But admin usually do not involve in user cases
2. Anytime any user can send a feedback. Negative, positive, neutral all are the same privilege
3. There are no limit set for it. Unlimited.

While having a look at the forum Trust System this morning, this question just came into my mind that "What happens if someone mistakenly gives you a negative trust and dies?" Does the forum have plan B for that. Because we all know that life is as volatile just like Bitcoin, whereby today you may be sound and tomorrow you are either sick or gone, as nobody knows when he or she will ever die. So this is a very vital question everyone needs to know, as it can affect anyone on the the forum irrespective of your rank, and that's the reason why I decided to post it here on the "Reputation" board as this is the only place people having issues regarding "Trust System" and the rest come to lay complain and have there issues resolve. So what actually happens after a tagged has been proven to be innocent and the tagger is seen not to have come online after a period of 120days. Does the forum have a plan B for that? If Yes, please can you educate us more on this, because am sure there are people out there suffering from this, and those yet to suffer the same issue. Because there are certain reasons that may result to someone been tagged a "negative trust" on the forum, which could be weather the person has been noticed to be a scammer or a promoter of scam on the forum, and I was made to understand that accounts with negative trust are always restricted from many things on the forum. So please, what measure is one advisable to take after been tagged a negative trust and proven to be innocent and the tagger is seen not to ever come online again because probably he or she is dead or critically ill. Because your answer will be of great benefits not to just only me but to those facing the issue today and those yet to face it in the future.

Or,

1. Is Negative Trust irreversible?
2. At what rank can someone send a negative trust? (Newbie, member, Full, Sr, Hero or Legend)
3. How many negative trust can one send in a week, month, year or lifetime)



So thank you and God bless you as you help a brother or sister there out to resolve their issue. Thanks