Topic: What happens when the US makes crypto-currency illegal? - page 2. (Read 8850 times)

Think so? I don't think the government would waste time outlawing it if it wanted Bitcoin gone.

US Goverment contracts with Intel for $50M to develop a buttload of 22nm SHA-256 ASICs. 51% attacks the living hell out of the network; the loss of profitability causes miners to drop out and the government gains proportionally more and more of the blocks.

Game over.

This thread is going offtopic. I suggest you leave the racial discussion behind.


US Gov going to war with crypto-currencies - a lost battle.

Hmmm.  A German saying other people are "so called 'humans' which they are not."

Perhaps the word you want for these "so called 'humans' which they are not" is untermenschen?  I'm sure if you search your history, you will find lots of people with solutions to the problem of "so called 'humans' which they are not."  Perhaps you, being the smart little man you are, can find a final solution?

Again, google it.  Only a fool thinks that by refusing to accept the meaning of words, he is superior.  If the common meaning of the word "citizen" is not good enough for you, that makes you a fool.  

And you are dodging questions.

If you ever think you can prove you are a citizen, BTC 100 + USD 25,000 will be waiting for you.

"Citizen bitchez" please get a room somewhere else, this started as a good thread!


This is a bit overstated - USG won't need to break out guns to contain Bitcoin.

The various organizations who should theoretically want to regulate and/or quash Bitcoin are already overtly engaged in manuevers:

* FinCEN: announced GLOBAL guidelines (completely overstepping their jurisdiction)
* The Fed: policy paper is circulating from the ECB, likely there are a hundred more we don't know about
* CIA: Gavin gave a talk there, and likely is wiretapped and backdoored to hell and back
* Wall Street corporate entities: already heavily involved in BTC arbitrage, price fixing, trading bots, other destabilizing tricks

(BTW, I think it's fair to include Wall Street corporations in this list, given their complete "regulatory capture" of the USG. )


Good points - I suspect we can look at the Bittorrent wars as a model for attempts to shut down the Bitcoin P2P network:

Measure / Countermeasure:
* Malicious nodes / Node blacklisting
* Port blocking / Port randomization
* Insane litigation / Grandma arrest fallout
* User busts / More VPN users
* ISP traffic throttling / Protocol encryption
* FUD, "terrists" / Geeky pro-BTC media campaigns


Right now it would appear that core devs are not committed to securing the network against a governmental attack, although they've dealt with various hack and double spend attacks quite efficiently. Placing their eggs in the "friendly regulation" basket allows them to be blissfully ignorant of the extortive and coercive elements of the USG. Also, geeks tend to focus more on technical vulnerabilities and less on bureaucratic/legal attacks. 

I'm guessing some geeks at Palantir (or some such company we've never heard of) are currently engaged in wargames scenarios to take down the bitcoin network. Anybody working there care to leak a Powerpoint? 

You presented a non-definition, according to which cockroaches inhibiting in a city are citizens.


Come on, how stupid are you?

The children on this forum have seemed to have gone way off topic.  Back to the OP, there is no silver bullet solution and I wish you the best of luck.

But I'd remind you that the USA is a very small part of the world by population with a disproportionately large influence which one could argue is partially ill gained.  (The vast and worthy innovations and contributions from the US to the world aside, sending national troops to enforce private profits in the banana, oil, guano, fill in the blank sectors - is exploitive bullshit verging on criminal theft and murder.)

The US is also a fading empire which currently exhibits many if not all the negative indicators which have repeated through history as empires fall.

So my point is, as someone who doesn't live in the US:  The world is sick the USA Hegemony.  If Bitcoins are made illegal in the US (confiscation as in 1933 isn't possible with BTC) then it would set the US back, but the rest of the world would (I think) raise an eyebrow and shrug.  It would also be a powerful legitimizing force if a ban went into effect as it would tell everyone in the world the gold confiscation message:  Gold (now BTC) is valuable and we dont want a public that owns it.  What does Joe Public say?  I'm gonna get me some!!  The prohibition of alcohol and today with illicit drugs, tells us that banning something just makes it more valuable in the long run and denies you the privilege of taxation.  It also teach us that market forces will just take big profits underground while cash balloons for taser, handcuff and prison suppliers.

In the end, the world needs to evolve into a place that doesn't really give a damn about what silly crap any one country is up to.  Where the good examples of good countries will inspire other nations to borrow the things that work to improve.  If the US excludes itself from boarding the Bitcoin bus, then it can board the next bus some day when it gets over itself.  Take solace in the rapid pace of improvements in life for those outside of US borders because this is proceeding rapidly leaving the globe with a net positive trend despite setbacks in places like the US.  (gapminder.org)

Yes, the English language is not my native language. It is the language of the hegemonial giga-collective of so called 'humans', which they are not, and which (most of them) do not speak any other language. But also my native language, the German language is an orwellian language.
WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH, CITIZENS (SLAVES, DOMESTIC PIGS/HUMANS) ARE HUMANS etc.

Both you guys are at war with the English language.  Its pathetic that you think you are superior to everyone else because you refuse to accept words in their common meaning.  I wonder if you two have redefined 'sex' to include wanking and if you think that makes you better lovers than anyone else?

Again with the denigration of everyone who disagrees with you.  You are human and those who disagree with you are not.

Pathetic. 

Hmm, so when presented with the definition of a citizen, you are not happy its "factual."

How stupid did you say you are?

No, does not work. That is not the language of the humans. It's orwell speak. It is the language of the domestic humans, the brainwashed, the happy slaves, the protection money payers (mafiosi).
Ask a real human (there are still some of them in the rain forest or at the arctic tundra), if a domestic human (collectivised protection money payer and destroyer of the flora and fauna) is a human. You'll get the correct answer.

You simply don't get it. I am not paying you (or anyone else) for saying you are a citizen. I am paying for proving you are a citizen.

Let me draw a parallel: if you claimed you were Napoleon or an alien from another planet or a lamp, I still wouldn't pay you BTC 100 for just saying you are a Napoleon or an alien or a lamp. I would pay you for proving you are one.

It's an opinion. It doesn't tell me what a citizen factually is. You can't prove anything with an opinion. You prove something with facts and evidences that back these facts.


Do cockroaches and dogs live in cities? If yes, than cockroaches and dogs are also citizens, right?

Are those (humans, dogs and cockroaches) that don't live in a particular city non-citizens then?

Why do you blindly rely on google?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define%3Acitizen&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

cit·i·zen  
/ˈsitizən/
Noun

    A legally recognized subject or national of a state or commonwealth, either native or naturalized.
    An inhabitant of a particular town or city.

Synonyms
subject - burgher - national - denizen - townsman

If you think someone will pay you for saying you are a citizen, go for it.  My bet is the guy will refuse to pay.

For future reference, if you are struggling to get the clear meaning of a word go to Google and enter "define: " and the word.  Works every time. 

I don't want you to prove you are a human. I want you to prove you are a citizen. For proving you are a citizen, you will get:
- BTC 100 from me, and
- USD 25,000 (on-going contest) from this guy http://marcstevens.net/ you can even call him during the radio show.

Just show the evidence you are a citizen or an evidence of a state, and this money is yours.

That's wrong. Domestic pigs/humans are not pigs/humans. Only free pigs/humans are real pigs and humans.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define%3Ahuman&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

hu·man 
/ˈ(h)yo͞omən/
Adjective
Of, relating to, or characteristic of people or human beings.
Noun
A human being, esp. a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien.
Synonyms
adjective.     humane
noun.     man - person - human being - individual - soul - mortal

I think you will find that anyone who is a citizen meets that criterion.

Keep the money - I feel sad for you that you pretend not to know how to use Google because you don't like the search results from "define: human"

Prove this claim true with either rational or empirical evidence and I will pay you BTC 100.