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Quote from: goxcraft on October 15, 2023, 09:20:47 AM

When you turn off your computer does your data vanishes? No, it doesn't. It just stops at that current state. And when you turn back on again, you are where you left the last time. Nothing will erase. You won't be able to access it but just for temporary period of time. The magnitude of catastrophy you are asking is nearly unimaginable. Almost close to impossible. Just like @NeuroticFish said, it would be possible, only if we were attacked by an Alien force or any being with higher intelligence than us.

This is an interesting take on this topic and I fully agree with you.

Assuming that the internet shuts down, in all honesty, bitcoin would be my not on my priority list. There are things that are more daunting assuming the internet shuts down for a brief period in time.

But I do agree with what you mentioned- the data is most likely stored and things would be as it is if ever it comes back. Like what most online games that I have played that servers get temporarily shut down, all of the data is stored and things would be recovered if servers go live again (same comparison with the internet).

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Quote from: Kelward on October 15, 2023, 08:57:40 AM

Some few days back when the forum went down for some hours, some thoughts that I used to have suddenly resurfaced in my mind. What if the internet crashes permanently! If for any reasons whether natural or manmade the internet suddenly stops working,, what will happen in the world.

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Internet is a necessity that inevitably must be maintained by every provider. World chaos and unfavorable natural conditions can cause internet outages – but only until everything recovers and returns to normal. All internet-dependent services will go down - but only in locations experiencing internet outages or disruptions, not worldwide.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 16, 2023, 11:32:25 AM

It means your Bitcoin is gone for good! This is an imagination of the highest order, it will not happen.

Internet could be attacked, but this will only be temporary and will always be fixed, not that it will be permanent to the point of putting the whole world's communication and financial transactions in jeopardy. This is a fantasy and you have to come out of it now, it will not happen.

A frictional scenario like this should not happens. It's not that hard to imagine what would happens because we all know how essential the internet is to maintaining global stability. It will not be possible to maintain cross boarder communication and panic will spread globally. Electronic devices will be usesless and the only communication channel that will be open is through radio signal tower. I think there are a lot of imaginary frictional videos about this topic.

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Quote from: bbigtart on October 16, 2023, 10:16:33 AM

That's why we need to invest in two worlds, the first is the digital world, of course bitcoin, crypto, shares, and the second is the offline world, for example owning land, property, gold, houses.

I'm not feeling confident of buying a house these days (or investing in real estate generally). I mean, look around what's happening. From day to day, your country might join a war. Houses can be confiscated.

If you want to invest some capital go with either bitcoin or some S&P 500 index. The real investment, in my opinion, comes down to your skill set, i.e. how useful you are. Financial intelligence surely helps, but I cannot fathom how one can live poorly if they're masters of a skill.

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Quote from: cryptoaddictchie on October 16, 2023, 02:26:36 PM

Well it works with signal even though its impossible to make it happened I think there are plenty of ways on how to make it impossible. People live with it and as much as you wanted to make this scenario believable it wont happened so why bother. Cause in our moderate world, no one would ever live now without it. Sooner or later some geeks can invent something that might stronger than the internet for it to work on blockchain somehow.

The what-if scenario makes a person prepare for the unexpected. I am also inclined to think that the scenario is impossible to happen but without thinking that what if events, a person cannot develop alternative ways if something worse happens.

It is true that in the future people might discover or create development that is far stronger than the internet but as long as it has not created yet, it is always good to think of alternative methods if incase internet is not available. This is also one of the reasons why we have articles like this: Completely Offline Bitcoin Transactions

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Well it works with signal even though its impossible to make it happened I think there are plenty of ways on how to make it impossible. People live with it and as much as you wanted to make this scenario believable it wont happened so why bother. Cause in our moderate world, no one would ever live now without it. Sooner or later some geeks can invent something that might stronger than the internet for it to work on blockchain somehow.

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Quote from: Kelward on October 15, 2023, 08:57:40 AM

Some few days back when the forum went down for some hours, some thoughts that I used to have suddenly resurfaced in my mind. What if the internet crashes permanently! If for any reasons whether natural or manmade the internet suddenly stops working,, what will happen in the world. Unimaginable pandemonium is what will happen, because almost everything is connected to the internet, in fact the world today is so dependant on the internet to transact and communicate almost everything. Be it in finance, telecom, marketing and in every areas of technological advancements, all depends on the internet. It'll seem as if we've suddenly gone back to the stone age, if these where to happen.

I'll focus on finance, so I'm thinking what will happen to the bitcoin inside wallets, what will happen to every fiat currency in bank accounts, if everything erases as a result of internet total breakdown? Who do we hold responsible? I know that the internet technology is manmade, therefore it can not be hundred percent immune to faults and external attacks. And what if there is that less than one chance of it being faulty or compromised, what if that less than one chance happens,? what will be the fate of the world that mainly depends on it to get things done? I'm no tech guru or a prophet of doom, but this are my thoughts and fears on the matter, although I sincerely hope that I'm very wrong on these thoughts.

I'd love to be enlightened better on why it can be impossible that the internet can never be permanently shutdown, having in mind the shortcomings that I've mentioned?

To shut down the internet system in the whole world is impossible but in a specific region it is possible and many times this occurred in my country. The government I think 4 to 5 times shut down the whole internet system in the country and it caused different issues. The internet is now very involved in the life of a human being it is just like food as you can not survive without food in the same way now people can't spend a single minute. All your system works on the Internet in a country but I don't know how the bank works as we know for the transaction internet is necessary but in our country, the banking system work when the Internet is closed either they just off the mobile network and the wifi system may be worked.

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It means your Bitcoin is gone for good! This is an imagination of the highest order, it will not happen.

Internet could be attacked, but this will only be temporary and will always be fixed, not that it will be permanent to the point of putting the whole world's communication and financial transactions in jeopardy. This is a fantasy and you have to come out of it now, it will not happen.

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Quote from: Kelward on October 15, 2023, 08:57:40 AM

I'd love to be enlightened better on why it can be impossible that the internet can never be permanently shutdown, having in mind the shortcomings that I've mentioned?

OP, perhaps several things have been answered here about how the internet works. Therefore, before you think that the internet system is completely dead, it is important that you understand how the internet works and what it is for.
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* Client server; A server is a computer that sends data to and from the internet, while the computer is known as a client or a system that requests information from an Internet Service Provider (ISP) as a server.
* Satellite and transmitting antennas; used by the server to carry out the data transmission process and distributed throughout the world.
* Modems and routers; a computer needs a modem to connect to the internet, while to connect the internet to multiple computers a router is needed.
* Protocol; computer language that the internet uses to communicate with servers and clients. Protocol also relates to the term HTTP or the address of the protocol which is useful for accessing websites.
* IP; a numeric tool used to send computer information packets, while the IP Address is the source of information from where and where the packet is sent.
* Internet browser: media such as Google Chrome, Opera and Firefox that are used to access various information, data and resources.

Thus, it is clear, if you have read and understood the essence of the internet, there is no doubt that if the internet goes down completely whatever you store, such as digital money, data, and so on you can't access it anymore, so you really die in virtual life, returning to the era where ancient humans developed at that time.

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Quote from: Kelward on October 15, 2023, 08:57:40 AM

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I'll focus on finance, so I'm thinking what will happen to the bitcoin inside wallets, what will happen to every fiat currency in bank accounts, if everything erases as a result of internet total breakdown? Who do we hold responsible? I know that the internet technology is manmade, therefore it can not be hundred percent immune to faults and external attacks. And what if there is that less than one chance of it being faulty or compromised, what if that less than one chance happens,? what will be the fate of the world that mainly depends on it to get things done? I'm no tech guru or a prophet of doom, but this are my thoughts and fears on the matter, although I sincerely hope that I'm very wrong on these thoughts.

I'd love to be enlightened better on why it can be impossible that the internet can never be permanently shutdown, having in mind the shortcomings that I've mentioned?

hahaha, Your concern is really excessive, the possibility of the internet shutting down permanently is 1%, this is because people in this world without exception are very dependent on the internet, even international governments in various countries continue to work hard to develop and improve internet infrastructure by continuing to upgrade the world's internet network until Now we have reached 5G, Elon Musk has also started to get involved in making the world's internet network continue to be active through his Starlink project, so you don't need to worry too much at this time, there is no reason for the internet to shut down permanently.

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That's why we need to invest in two worlds, the first is the digital world, of course bitcoin, crypto, shares, and the second is the offline world, for example owning land, property, gold, houses.

Because as the digital world advances, the offline world is also okay because offline is flexible. Meanwhile, if the digital world disappears, for example if the electricity goes out or the internet goes down, we still have an offline world that we can use. And I didn't expect that suddenly the entire internet world would die at the same time, what is certain is that if that happens it will definitely be gradual.

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Actually, Bitcoin should be the least of your concerns, because Bitcoin wouldn't exist as long as the Internet went shut down universally. Nobody could send transactions, nor create new coins, so it'd be an absolute pause. Since there would be no economic network activity, then nobody could sell bitcoin either. The price of bitcoin would pretty much remain the same, because there would not be any volume.

Once the Internet come back after x years, the Bitcoin network could continue operating normally under a hard fork (to adjust the difficulty manually). That would definitely decrease its price.

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I don't think it will for a couple of reasons.

1. The internet is how the globalists and the WEF control people. Without the control system, people will pursue their own ends and find ways to get food, water, shelter, healthcare, etc from within their own communities. The globalists don't want that. They want everyone to be 100% dependent on the systems that they own and operate.

2. There is already a growing contingent of people and communities around the world who are working on building mesh nets and our own internet service providers. It will take a long time to build and things will be very decentralized but they will be much more resilient against attacks since they don't have a single point of failure like our current ISP system has.

All we can do for now is plan for the worst and hope for the best. Try to get involved in your own local community and see what you can do to build your own mesh network systems and secure your own food, water, shelter, healthcare, etc. If the grid falls out, you will be glad you have at least some sort of a plan.

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Quote from: Kelward on October 16, 2023, 03:01:07 AM

I love bitcoin, so i sometimes wonder if there's anything that can affect or stop it's usage, the only thing i see is the internet. So if internet can not be shutdown, then there's nothing stopping bitcoin as a digital decentralized currency.

Perhaps, you love it so stop thinking about it but rather believe that Bitcoin will even stay for a longer time instead of thinking of its fall.
The Internet era has come and such a great development contributed a lot - lifestyle and we live comfortably. People have already valued the importance of the internet so therefore, I don't see any reason why it will stop.

Might the use of Bitcoin and its existence be over but if we talk about the internet, that is way impossible knowing that it already plays a very important role in the community.

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Hypothetically, if that happens then Bitcoin transactions will cease but the effect is more than you ever imagine, the economies of countries will take a hit even if there is an internet shutdown for 30 minutes or so, which means governments can't pull that string to stop the bitcoin's adoption and the policymakers knew it too that is why they always go with the restrictions to control the adoption.

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Quote from: dzungmobile on October 16, 2023, 12:46:03 AM

Quote from: The Cryptovator on October 15, 2023, 05:01:56 PM

What can you imagine without the Internet? If the Internet permanently stops, then where will you use your Bitcoin, which is only virtual? Even though you can access your Bitcoin through some other technologies, you still need the Internet to use it in a real-world case. Everything will collapse if the Internet collapses permanently. So this isn't a real concern for Bitcoin anyway.

In the past, human societies did not have electricity but now in the modern world, if there is no electricity completely and at the global scale, it will be a very serious problem for human civilization and surely in that situation, Bitcoin is not the biggest concern.

A lot of activities around the world will be stopped, impacted seriously and massively without Electricity supply. If it happens, we will be in a catastrophe and I will no longer need Bitcoin at that time. Perhaps I will have to concern about how to survive through it first.

Electricity is a major factor that powers the internet because without it there'll be no power to open and operate the internet. There are many alternatives to generate electricity, if one source is affected there are other sources to rely on, there are even electric generator machines and solar inverters for homes. But i don't think that there's any alternative for the internet in the case of a worldwide shutdown, although the thoughts have been proven to be near impossible in this thread.

I love bitcoin, so i sometimes wonder if there's anything that can affect or stop it's usage, the only thing i see is the internet. So if internet can not be shutdown, then there's nothing stopping bitcoin as a digital decentralized currency.

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Internet have been primary needed right now and don't imagine with impossible happening for the future exactly as internet permanently shuts down, have highest or technology development impossible with internet permanently shut down exactly with country have make the internet as important needed for all their activities. One thing possible with internet can shut down but awhile due many citizen complaint their service regarding with internet speed, in my country with internet have slow speed around other countries still can normal operation and many document uploaded in medical healthy with internet, I can't imagine what happen with all activities stopping when internet have been down or not working yet.

Looks when internet have been primary needed less possibility will be permanently shut down.

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Everyone doesn't want that to happen, all the convenience and speed of transactions currently experienced are always expected to run normally until an unspecified time limit. The scariest event that makes the Internet shut down permanently could happen if something happens like a mini apocalypse that shakes the world.
Bitcoin will continue to exist on the blockchain even if the internet no longer exists, your balance in your bank account will be stored neatly in the bank's data. As long as the internet remains inaccessible, Bitcoin will continue to freeze on the Blockchain without anyone being able to touch it.

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Shut down in what way OP? If the internet is down in your country it will never be the same in the next country close to yours on the map, and if you find yourself in a country that bans the internet for example just get a Starlink or esim, the world is now more advanced than believing someone can rob you of your access to the internet, it can never work as there are good ways to stay connected, do your own research.

Unless some kind of massive wave comes into the world taking with it all the electricity in the world, powerful enough to shut down the satellites in the space too, and that would be interesting, with it? Of cos not, but this happens only in Hollywood movies, there are other things you should focus on right now OP, but this isn't one of should not be one of them.

The whole human civilization needs to collapse for the whole world to be without the internet and electricity, that's not on we humans to decide, that's the creator's business and I pray no such thing will happen, not in my own time if it's meant to happen lol.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on October 15, 2023, 05:01:56 PM

What can you imagine without the Internet? If the Internet permanently stops, then where will you use your Bitcoin, which is only virtual? Even though you can access your Bitcoin through some other technologies, you still need the Internet to use it in a real-world case. Everything will collapse if the Internet collapses permanently. So this isn't a real concern for Bitcoin anyway.

In the past, human societies did not have electricity but now in the modern world, if there is no electricity completely and at the global scale, it will be a very serious problem for human civilization and surely in that situation, Bitcoin is not the biggest concern.

A lot of activities around the world will be stopped, impacted seriously and massively without Electricity supply. If it happens, we will be in a catastrophe and I will no longer need Bitcoin at that time. Perhaps I will have to concern about how to survive through it first.

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