Topic: What to do about people who believe that stealing is ok (Read 1117 times)

Participating in the market is not a choice when the resources necessary for survival are all tied up in said market.  I'd be fine with captialism if we gave everyone rights to the things that are necessary and let the free markets decide who gets the luxuries.  

I'm really confused because you definition of poor seems to be changing within every post.  What is your definition of poor?  You said poor people want to stay poor then you said you know what poor people want because you were poor, then you said know nothing about being poor yet somehow will die poor and then you said my children and grandchildren (who don't exist) will die poor and all of this with no explanation.   

It seems like you are just ranting out of anger and throwing words at the keyboard.  Like, do you really think a lazy person would go through all this trouble to try and explain poverty to people who clearly don't give a damn about what happens to poor people in this current system?  I may be an ineffective teacher but definitely not a lazy one. TECSHARE has been in my class for a few years and still thinks its about the USSR. 

My assertion was not even baseless.  My assertion was based on your statement that poor people "want to stay poor".  What evidence do you have of that?  I've worked with thousands of adolescents and I've never met a single one who wanted to stay poor.  This is why I have the privilege of a more diverse perspective.   I've worked in poor schools and rich schools and had the opportunity to see the differences first hand and experience how poverty affects education.

As for tecshare...Just because I haven't personally been poor doesn't mean I haven't learned about the experience by accompanying poor children in their academic journey.  I've also done service and work in homeless shelters, soup kitchens and NGOs in Brazil, Peru, Kenya and Cambodia.

With all that said, research is more valuable than experience in the context of a generalized discussion.  Experiences can be anecdotal and due to chance.  I have both so I also have the ability to recognize when the mechanisms I've learned about through research are being experienced by people in front of me.   I've used my privilege to work to bring people up. 

So here I am talking about mechanisms backed by trends in data and research going against one person who thinks the fact that they ate out of a dumpster gives them the authority to refute entire bodies of research on poverty and psychology. 

and another person who thinks any criticism of capitalism is an endorsement of the soviet system because they think there are literally only two ways to setup a society

I thought I got through to you.  I guess not.

I repeat.  There is no theft under the capitalist division of labor.  The free market is the most efficient system to self-correct any price dislocations (when workers are underpaid or overpaid).  Market participants are willingly participating to exchange goods and services.

If you happen to use the inefficiencies of the free market to your advantage, all the power to you.  
You just use the opportunity available to all.  You are not stealing from anyone.

When a lioness sees a gazelle she will not wait for other lionesses to come around, she will go for the kill.

Capitalism best resembles nature.  Are people being taken advantage of?  Of course.  No question about it.  
There are many overpriced products/services being bought/sold as we speak.  Calling it theft is disingenuous.