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Topic: What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine - page 2. (Read 13904 times)

hero member
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December 10, 2012, 04:03:57 PM
I can always count on nonsensical replies on this forum.  Not sure how "I did not get a magazine issue" spawned a legal advice thread

Your balance is slightly off kilter, fyi.

Thanks for providing a perfect example of my point.

The point is that the original topic was not about missed magazine issues - which you'd know if you actually read it - and it's very obvious how the thread got derailed.  It's bullshit to claim that you're "not sure" how that happened when you can read the thread and see that it was Vladimir storming in with accusations of fraud and threats of legal action which started the derail.
hero member
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December 10, 2012, 03:52:58 PM
I can always count on nonsensical replies on this forum.  Not sure how "I did not get a magazine issue" spawned a legal advice thread

Your balance is slightly off kilter, fyi.

Thanks for providing a perfect example of my point.
hero member
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December 10, 2012, 03:47:19 PM
I can always count on nonsensical replies on this forum.  Not sure how "I did not get a magazine issue" spawned a legal advice thread

Ask Vladimir.
legendary
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1davout
December 10, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
Incorrect.  Bitcoin relies on community verification.  Bitcoin trusts the bitcoin mining community.
FTFY Wink
hero member
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December 10, 2012, 03:39:14 PM
I can always count on nonsensical replies on this forum.  Not sure how "I did not get a magazine issue" spawned a legal advice thread

Your balance is slightly off kilter, fyi.
hero member
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December 10, 2012, 12:46:51 PM
I can always count on nonsensical replies on this forum.  Not sure how "I did not get a magazine issue" spawned a legal advice thread
legendary
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December 10, 2012, 12:32:18 PM
Here is another reason NEVER to form partnerships with other people.

That's sorta like saying "trust no one."  Follow that rule religiously, and you will lead a barren, lonely life.


Funny you say that since bitcoin is based on zero-trust between its participants.  Bitcoin trusts no one.  Bitcoin is lonely.

Incorrect.  Bitcoin relies on community verification.  Bitcoin trusts the bitcoin community.

legendary
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December 10, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
If someone is really going to sue someone else they get a lawyer and do it.  They do not waste time here.

In fact, the primary indicator that someone is not going to sue is that they post here all about how they are going to sue, how they are going to use everything the other parties says against them, how they are quoting everything for evidence in the case, etc.

So, I expect, just like in all the other cases (Bitcoinia, Trendon Shavers, etc.) the people actually doing something about it are not here spouting off at the mouth about how they are.
hero member
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December 10, 2012, 09:18:38 AM
How does this quoted for evidence bit work?

And I'll bet you a Bitcoin you're not suing anyone for libel.
legendary
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December 10, 2012, 07:42:20 AM
I don't pretend to know all the issues except for the issue I never got after paying for it 3 or 4 months ago

You should demand an apology and threaten to sue if you don't get one.

After the apology/lawsuit, you should demand that you receive the issue and threaten to sue if you don't get it.

After getting the magazine/lawsuit, you should demand psychological counselling services due to the overwhelming stress of the multiple lawsuits being forced upon you, or threaten to sue if you don't receive them.

After getting the counselling/lawsuit...

I think you should sue David for all the great legal advice you just gave... how's a rate of 80GBP/hour sound?

You can includ a 20% finders fee for my advice while you're at it!
hero member
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December 10, 2012, 03:28:27 AM
I don't pretend to know all the issues except for the issue I never got after paying for it 3 or 4 months ago

You should demand an apology and threaten to sue if you don't get one.

After the apology/lawsuit, you should demand that you receive the issue and threaten to sue if you don't get it.

After getting the magazine/lawsuit, you should demand psychological counselling services due to the overwhelming stress of the multiple lawsuits being forced upon you, or threaten to sue if you don't receive them.

After getting the counselling/lawsuit...

That was etremely insightful and helpful
legendary
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December 10, 2012, 03:15:37 AM
I don't pretend to know all the issues except for the issue I never got after paying for it 3 or 4 months ago

You should demand an apology and threaten to sue if you don't get one.

After the apology/lawsuit, you should demand that you receive the issue and threaten to sue if you don't get it.

After getting the magazine/lawsuit, you should demand psychological counselling services due to the overwhelming stress of the multiple lawsuits being forced upon you, or threaten to sue if you don't receive them.

After getting the counselling/lawsuit...
hero member
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December 10, 2012, 03:09:07 AM
I don't pretend to know all the issues except for the issue I never got after paying for it 3 or 4 months ago
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December 10, 2012, 03:06:38 AM

Moreover, the only apparently neutral shareholder who came forward in the thread seemed to support Vladimir's claim that minority shareholders were not notified of the sale. And no, I don't think majority owners can legally sell off most of the assets of an LLC instanteously like this. If you are selling off almost all of the assets, you are required to give the minority owners a chance to comment on the sale before you can proceed with it, not after it is already completed. If it is just a portion of the assets, then it is considered part of the regular business of the company and there is no need to notify shareholders in advance.

[Any lawyer here who can shed some light on this?]


This appears to be one of those cases where the parties have received totally different legal advice (remember it's claimed that the sale itself was handled by a lawyer) regarding the events which took place and how they could be handled under the specific circumstances which applied.  There would be no lawsuits ever if lawyers having different opinions about the same set of facts wasn't a frequent occurrence.  They should certainly be aware enough of on-point case law to know whether the principals on which they based their advice would survive a legal challenge. 

The one piece of advice the parties shouldn't need to pay their lawyers to receive is to shut the fuck up and stop making public statements.
sr. member
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December 10, 2012, 02:44:14 AM
I think I just figured out what the secret gift is going to be that Bitcoin Magazine is going to send out: a big basket of popcorn to go with this thread.  Grin

You gotta give bitcoin one thing, just when you think it's got nothing more to give, it will always pull shit like this out of the basket  Wink
donator
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December 10, 2012, 02:25:13 AM
Legal action for defamation is being prepared and once it is filed it likely will ultimately result in a number of corporate and personal bankruptcies. It is not what I would want but you are forcing my hand.

Vlad, I have some questions, I'm genuinely interested:

1.) While I think it might be past the point of reaching some agreement (after all you're threatening to bankrupt people, that's usually a sign that other options have failed): What would you want Mihai (and maybe others, I don't know who exactly, but it seems Mihai is the main "opponent" here) to do at this point that would calm you down and respect you and your wifes interests?

2.) What are your reasons for taking this issue to the public of bitcointalk?
legendary
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December 10, 2012, 12:27:45 AM
Here is another reason NEVER to form partnerships with other people.

That's sorta like saying "trust no one."  Follow that rule religiously, and you will lead a barren, lonely life.


Funny you say that since bitcoin is based on zero-trust between its participants.  Bitcoin trusts no one.  Bitcoin is lonely.
legendary
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December 10, 2012, 12:21:26 AM
Here is another reason NEVER to form partnerships with other people.

That's sorta like saying "trust no one."  Follow that rule religiously, and you will lead a barren, lonely life.

Sure, some humans are fallible and will let you down.  But other humans are wonderful and will boost you up.



Bitcoin is based on the trust no one idea though. Better to trust many.
legendary
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December 10, 2012, 12:09:36 AM
Here is another reason NEVER to form partnerships with other people.

That's sorta like saying "trust no one."  Follow that rule religiously, and you will lead a barren, lonely life.

Sure, some humans are fallible and will let you down.  But other humans are wonderful and will boost you up.

legendary
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December 09, 2012, 11:46:34 PM
I think you are legally obligated to notify minority shareholders if you reduce the firm's business activities by 75% or more, even if their is no formal dissolution.

It's possible that both sides have behaved wrongly.


Okay, I'm completely willing to admit that. I don't have all the facts in the matter. It is certainly conceivable that Vladimir did some crafty shit to piss Mihai off and that Mihai responded to this in kind. I just felt that Vladimir's arguments were getting ignored. There seemed to be a concentrated effort to paint him in the worst possible light on the basis of rather flimsy evidence. I guess this expense report business seemed pretty trivial to me.

Moreover, the only apparently neutral shareholder who came forward in the thread seemed to support Vladimir's claim that minority shareholders were not notified of the sale. And no, I don't think majority owners can legally sell off most of the assets of an LLC instanteously like this. If you are selling off almost all of the assets, you are required to give the minority owners a chance to comment on the sale before you can proceed with it, not after it is already completed. If it is just a portion of the assets, then it is considered part of the regular business of the company and there is no need to notify shareholders in advance.

[Any lawyer here who can shed some light on this?]

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