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Topic: What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine - page 3. (Read 13904 times)

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December 09, 2012, 11:17:44 PM
Here is another reason NEVER to form partnerships with other people.  If you don't have the cash to pay someone for doing work on your business then don't give them an equity stake.  Instead give them a guaranteed percentage of the profits.

Guess what happens when someone that owns 51% of the company decides to sell it?  It is sold.  Tough luck for the 49%.

There are ways you can give people equity without risking control of a company but it's generally a bad idea to just hand out equity every time you can't pay someone for something (and there probably aren't going to be any profits for a long time in many start-ups).  It's hard enough to form a partnership with people who know and trust each other and whose visions and goals are aligned.  Adding people to that mix on an ad hoc basis usually just creates a "management by committee" clusterfuck in which every 1%-er wants to have input into every decision and the business becomes paralysed.
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December 09, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
Here is another reason NEVER to form partnerships with other people.  If you don't have the cash to pay someone for doing work on your business then don't give them an equity stake.  Instead give them a guaranteed percentage of the profits.

Guess what happens when someone that owns 51% of the company decides to sell it?  It is sold.  Tough luck for the 49%.
legendary
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December 09, 2012, 10:56:09 PM
Hmmm...tell someone you're sorry or go through an odious legal battle...

It's amazing that this is an actual choice someone has to make.

What a sick culture.

I'm just waiting for the "you say sorry first" episode of this soap opera.

AKA the counter suit.
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December 09, 2012, 10:50:08 PM
Hmmm...tell someone you're sorry or go through an odious legal battle...

It's amazing that this is an actual choice someone has to make.

What a sick culture.

I'm just waiting for the "you say sorry first" episode of this soap opera.
legendary
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December 09, 2012, 10:31:14 PM
Hmmm...tell someone you're sorry or go through an odious legal battle...

It's amazing that this is an actual choice someone has to make.

What a sick culture.
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December 09, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Dear Bittalk Media Ltd, Mihai Alisie and some others I offer you an opportunity to publicly retract all defamatory statements made by you which must be accompanied  by your public and sincere apology. Failing that legal action against you at this point is unavoidable.

Legal action for defamation is being prepared and once it is filed it likely will ultimately result in a number of corporate and personal bankruptcies. It is not what I would want but you are forcing my hand.







 Roll Eyes
legendary
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December 09, 2012, 09:35:35 PM
Isn't there some Internet Law about threatening defamation lawsuits?
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December 09, 2012, 09:31:48 PM
Given how theymos feels about free speech, he's gonna love being served in a defamation action.
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December 09, 2012, 09:25:27 PM
Of all the ways in which the US legal system sucks, at least there's the fact that libel and slander laws have such a high burden of proof, and are so easy to defend against, that most people never need to worry about them.

Most ordinary people in Commonwealth countries don't have to worry about them either because defamation actions are typically extremely expensive to mount and awards often barely cover costs.  It's generally not worth suing people for defamation unless the defendants have deep pockets, and most media outlets carry defamation insurance anyway. 

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December 09, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
Dear Bittalk Media Ltd, Mihai Alisie and some others I offer you an opportunity to publicly retract any defamatory statements made by you which must be accompanied  by your public and sincere apology. Legal action for defamation is being prepared and once it is filed it likely will ultimately result in a number of corporate and personal bankruptcies. It is not what I would want but you are forcing my hand.

Who didn't see this coming??
legendary
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December 09, 2012, 09:00:01 PM
Of all the ways in which the US legal system sucks, at least there's the fact that libel and slander laws have such a high burden of proof, and are so easy to defend against, that most people never need to worry about them.
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December 09, 2012, 08:49:17 PM
#99
Dear Bittalk Media Ltd, Mihai Alisie and some others I offer you an opportunity to publicly retract all defamatory statements made by you which must be accompanied  by your public and sincere apology. Failing that legal action against you at this point is unavoidable.

Legal action for defamation is being prepared and once it is filed it likely will ultimately result in a number of corporate and personal bankruptcies. It is not what I would want but you are forcing my hand.





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December 09, 2012, 08:34:19 PM
#98
I have copies of the Lloyds bank statements and PayPal history of Bittalk Media, which Vladimir willingly shared with me.   I honestly have not had time to sort through them beyond just the most recent transactions.  

However I can confirm that on the day of 12 November, Vladimir paid himself 4552.80 GBP.  Here is a screenshot of the transaction history given to me by Vladimir.



This was the exact day he resigned ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1330827 ) and while he was still in control of the bank account.  To my knowledge, he is still in control of the bank account today, despite having resigned all duties as a Director and employee.

I looked at the invoices that are posted on http://codinginmysleep.com/the-bittalk-media-meltdown/ and I have similar copies in my files, which I received from Vladimir directly, so I can verify their authenticity.


Quoted for evidence. I have no intention to sue you just yet. And it was indeed wise to remove one of your posts which would be classed as "false innuendo". However, choice of transactions present in this image as well as omitting of some relevant material facts known to you could very well give merit to a libel lawsuit here in England against you personally. Please thread carefully.



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December 09, 2012, 08:33:33 PM
#97
I think you are legally obligated to notify minority shareholders if you reduce the firm's business activities by 75% or more, even if their is no formal dissolution.

That's probably true but the time-frame within which you're required to notify them might be generous.  You're generally required to notify corporate regulators if you cease trading as well, even if you don't dissolve the company, but many such requirements aren't immediate.

It's absolutely possible for different parties to obtain legal advice from different lawyers and for all the lawyers involved to be wrong.  As a practical matter, the question really comes down to whether the best interests of the company (which exists as a legal entity in its own right), its creditors and its shareholders were served by the actions taken.  Ideals like not wanting to see the magazine die may have motivated owners new and old but they're not especially relevant to whether the actions taken were the best of the available options at the time or whether people lived up to their legal responsibilities.

It's a false dichotomy to present this as one side being right and one side being wrong.  It's possible that both sides have behaved wrongly.

One thing's for certain - if this does get litigated the only winners will be the lawyers.
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December 09, 2012, 08:24:07 PM
#96
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Mr. Vladimir fails to explain what caused this transfer of ownership.

(...)
 
(...) and for over $3000 in software for “digital publications” of Bitcoin Magazine that never produced any digital publications.

(...)

If Mr. Vladimir wants to perpetuate this drama on the forums, I can publicly disclose the invoices sent by him to BitTalk Media as well as the shareholder signed documents.
(...)

The words highlighted above as bold are false statement of facts, defamatory and misleading. And I do not mean minor technicalities like 100BTC or 1000$ I mean either very significant misrepresentation or just outright lies. (...)


In order to refresh Mr. Vladimir’s memory also regarding the over $3,000 payments for the digital edition software expenses I am attaching the following bank statements:


http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1921.79&From=GBP&To=USD

 http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=529&From=GBP&To=USD

Regarding the denial of the fact that he blocked the $65,000 investment in the company I will let the other shareholders speak.
 
Unfortunately I cannot show the expenses that he has failed to explain because there are no accounting logs (surprise).

quoted for evidence, legal action pending
legendary
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December 09, 2012, 08:11:56 PM
#95
Even if Valdimir is the sole minority shareholder, I'm pretty sure that it is a breach of fiduciary duty for the majority shareholders to dissolve the LLC without providing the minority shareholders with advance notice. The minority shareholders must be given an opportunity to voice objections prior to the dissolution if their participation has any chance of affecting the outcome. Even though the minority shareholders lack the voting power to block the dissolution directly, they could still might voice objections that influence the decisions of other shareholders. Thus the rule. This is true even if there are no other forms of self-dealing involved.

From what's been posted no-one is talking about the Ltd company having been dissolved, although that would be the logical next step after all creditors have been paid, all claims settled and any surplus paid to shareholders.   It is the express duty of directors to prevent a company from trading while insolvent, even if that requires selling assets (and a director paying himself while leaving the company unable to pay other creditors is certainly a questionable action).  From what we've been told, following the resignation of Vladimir and his wife Mihai was the sole remaining director which would mean that the legal responsibility to avoid insolvent trading rested on him.

You can certainly argue that it would have been nice if all of the shareholders were consulted about the decision to sell assets, but under the circumstances it might not have been legally required given the statutory obligations to which a director is subject.

While the potential for conflicts of interest is enormous when self-dealing is involved, it doesn't always affect other shareholders in a negative manner - which is why each case needs to be looked at on its merits.  If BitTalk Media was unable to pay its creditors following the resignations of Vladimir and his wife, then it had limited options for continuing to trade and there were few options for providing any return to shareholders.

I don't think that anyone has handled this situation impeccably, but pragmatic solutions are rarely ideal ones.   This situation didn't arise suddenly and there were plenty of opportunities along the way for power plays which would negatively affect the value of the company to be avoided.

I think you are legally obligated to notify minority shareholders if you reduce the firm's business activities by 75% or more, even if their is no formal dissolution.
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December 09, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
#94
During the period of November 13-15, Bittalk had 293 GBP in the bank account, which I could not access.  The company had $58 in our PayPal account, which also I could not access.  Both accounts were under the sole control of former employee and former Director Mr. Vladimir, after he resigned.

We were already late for the printers which needed cash in advance to print issue 5.  Failure to print and deliver issue 5 to Barnes & Noble would jeopardize and possibly put us in breach of contract.  We did not have enough bitcoins to sell to pay the printer either.  As of this day (nearly 1 month later) no person currently employed at Bittalk (including myself) has access to our bank account or to the PayPal account.  Mr. Vladimir is still in full control of these nearly 1 month after resigning, despite repeated requests to relinquish control. 

On the 16th of November, as the only remaining director of the company, I sought and received approval from shareholders representing 75% of the voting interest of Bittalk Media to sell company assets for the purpose of raising cash.  This was handled properly under UK law by a UK attorney.

While the terms of the deal are undisclosed, I was able to receive a fair price for selling the surplus magazines, iMac computer, and other intangible assets.  In addition, all revenue from Barnes & Noble for issues 3, 4, and 5 would remain property of Bittalk Media.

Looking forward to issue 6, the company was in a weak financial position to fund the writers, illustrators, layout, printing and shipping.  I worked without a salary on issues 1, 4 and 5 to help the company conserve cash.  I would have been willing to work without a salary again on issue 6, but if money was committed to starting on production, there would likely be another shortfall in a few weeks.

To maximize the cash value to shareholders, I decided to stop all production on issue 6, not incur any more expenses at all, and return as much cash as possible to our shareholders.

This process will be handled by a liquidation attorney to make sure all revenue and cash is properly accounted for and distributed.  This will include the Barnes & Noble revenue for issues 3, 4, and 5.  All shareholders of Bittalk Media will receive a cash dividend payment once this process is complete.

Bitcoin Magazine will live on, and is now owned by a very talented group of persons in the bitcoin community with very good business experience.

Quoted for evidence, legal action with allegations of libel is pending.

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December 09, 2012, 07:42:14 PM
#93
Even if Valdimir is the sole minority shareholder, I'm pretty sure that it is a breach of fiduciary duty for the majority shareholders to dissolve the LLC without providing the minority shareholders with advance notice. The minority shareholders must be given an opportunity to voice objections prior to the dissolution if their participation has any chance of affecting the outcome. Even though the minority shareholders lack the voting power to block the dissolution directly, they could still might voice objections that influence the decisions of other shareholders. Thus the rule. This is true even if there are no other forms of self-dealing involved.

From what's been posted no-one is talking about the Ltd company having been dissolved, although that would be the logical next step after all creditors have been paid, all claims settled and any surplus paid to shareholders.   It is the express duty of directors to prevent a company from trading while insolvent, even if that requires selling assets (and a director paying himself while leaving the company unable to pay other creditors is certainly a questionable action).  From what we've been told, following the resignation of Vladimir and his wife Mihai was the sole remaining director which would mean that the legal responsibility to avoid insolvent trading rested on him.

You can certainly argue that it would have been nice if all of the shareholders were consulted about the decision to sell assets, but under the circumstances it might not have been legally required given the statutory obligations to which a director is subject.

While the potential for conflicts of interest is enormous when self-dealing is involved, it doesn't always affect other shareholders in a negative manner - which is why each case needs to be looked at on its merits.  If BitTalk Media was unable to pay its creditors following the resignations of Vladimir and his wife, then it had limited options for continuing to trade and there were few options for providing any return to shareholders.

I don't think that anyone has handled this situation impeccably, but pragmatic solutions are rarely ideal ones.   This situation didn't arise suddenly and there were plenty of opportunities along the way for power plays which would negatively affect the value of the company to be avoided.
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December 09, 2012, 01:36:36 PM
#92
Unsurprising. If Vladimir and the shareholders were wronged... and one of the new owners are aware of this, it might bite ya.

Equally, if other shareholders of BitTalk Media were disadvantaged by decisions made by Vladimir and his wife in their capacity as directors after Matthew's departure, it could bite them.

I'm not sure that either side in this particular squabble stands to benefit by airing their conflicts in the court of public opinion.
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December 09, 2012, 11:19:26 AM
#91
You guys are spending too much time fretting about this stuff.  To the extent Vladimir feels he's been wronged, he should absolutely seek recompense.  Lawyers, arbitrators and courts exist for that purpose and lawsuits, while costly and best avoided if possible, are a normal part of business.  Disagreements happen all the time.  You guys (Vladimir and Matthew included) have done a great job in bootstrapping Bitcoin magazine into existence.  I wonder if you all really grasp how valuable that experience will be to you in the future.  

I'm looking forward to the next issue and I'm sure those no longer involved with the magazine will go on to do other cool stuff with Bitcoin.

A voice of reason. Please take this mans advice into consideration, and avoid further embarrasment and pointless juvenile drama.

I think he is a new owner, right?
Yes, I'm also a co-owner in the new company.  My interest in participating was to see the publication of the magazine continue.  As far as I can tell, everything was executed properly (but clearly Vladimir disagrees).

Unsurprising. If Vladimir and the shareholders were wronged... and one of the new owners are aware of this, it might bite ya.
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