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December 09, 2012, 11:06:42 AM
#90
You guys are spending too much time fretting about this stuff.  To the extent Vladimir feels he's been wronged, he should absolutely seek recompense.  Lawyers, arbitrators and courts exist for that purpose and lawsuits, while costly and best avoided if possible, are a normal part of business.  Disagreements happen all the time.  You guys (Vladimir and Matthew included) have done a great job in bootstrapping Bitcoin magazine into existence.  I wonder if you all really grasp how valuable that experience will be to you in the future.  

I'm looking forward to the next issue and I'm sure those no longer involved with the magazine will go on to do other cool stuff with Bitcoin.

A voice of reason. Please take this mans advice into consideration, and avoid further embarrasment and pointless juvenile drama.

I think he is a new owner, right?
Yes, I'm also a co-owner in the new company.  My interest in participating was to see the publication of the magazine continue.  As far as I can tell, everything was executed properly (but clearly Vladimir disagrees).
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December 09, 2012, 10:15:36 AM
#89
Which is simply not true. All he was is a guy on the skype who gave tasks to illustrators and writers.

"Giving tasks to X and Y" is the job description for pretty much all of the top 0.01% highest paid professionals in the world. And even besides this, Mihai was also responsible for setting up interviews, doing a significant share of the illustrative work himself, handling shipping (with his girlfriend), and much more.

I asked to propose another solution if admittedly high hourly rates are not acceptable and suggested that those could be waived should there be some other reasonable agreement regarding my exit and equity buyout. This matter was discussed and understood. But no action were taken and further work was DEMANDED from me.

Most of the items on that invoice were not "demanded" from you. We both expressed our disagreement with the 80.00/hour rate, and you simply continued on doing what you were going to do anyway as a matter of fiduciary duty as a director but charging for it.

demands to pay cash and/or equity to his girlfriend while denying that if someone else is doing similar work they should be paid too.

Mihai never denied this. His whole point had been that his girlfriend deserves cash and/or equity because Vladimir's wife had already been paid cash/equity.

Informing the company that I cannot spend any more time on all the pointless drama where Mihai Alisie was derailing one negotiation and action plan after another by constant abuse, insults and paranoia

In September, when the situation around MNW was unfolding, Mihai and I both realized that we had been far too lax in terms of keeping tabs on what was going on, and all that Mihai tried to do was take back control. Following the MNW affair, Vladimir and his wife controlled 67% of the Board of Directors and had more shares than anyone else - even the founder of the company. Furthermore, Mihai noticed all of the various "IT" charges that had been billed. It was indeed a mistake on the part of both of us that we did not keep a close enough eye on how things were going and let all of that happen, but when he finally saw what was going on he simply tried to rectify the situation. The fact is, there are plenty of instances in small business where one partner tries to use various underhanded tactics to edge himself into a more favorable position versus the other, and Mihai's "paranoia" over the fact that one person had weaved his way into something close to de facto control over the entire company was hardly unreasonable. Claiming that anything but complete trust constitutes obstructionism, on the other hand, is - in fact, it's often listed as a classic warning sign in "how to detect that you're dealing with a scammer" pages. So that attitude was not exactly a good way of mitigating the problems that we had.

I personally won't comment on the finances; I'm fairly removed from the financial situation myself and I will leave it to other people in the company who are much more capable of stating the facts there than I am.
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December 09, 2012, 09:43:47 AM
#88
EDIT:  to clarify, the new owners did not buy any shares in Bittalk Media, nor did we buy Bittalk media.  Only specific assets were purchased for cash and bitcoins.

As in the Bitcoin Magazine, associated domains, associated webpages, etc?
http://bitcoinmagazine.net/bitcoin-magazine-has-new-ownership/
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December 09, 2012, 09:02:43 AM
#87
This is exactly the kind of "children fighting" that took Bittalk Media down in value.  A grown up needed to enter the house and take charge.  After much effort and due diligence, it was the investors opinion that the house should just be abandoned and start over.

At the time of the asset sale, Bittalk had less than $1000 in liquid assets and substantially more than that in bills that needed to be paid immediately.  The company was technically bankrupt, in other words worth Zero, or possibly worth negative.  Some of our investors backed out because they said we were actually paying too much.  

Once someone quits a company, they quit.  That's what resigning means.  That person is obligated to turn over any company assets that they have, especially when the company asks them to do so multiple times.

I can verify Mihai's claim that the sale was handled by a UK attorney who knows UK law.  I did speak to this attorney with some questions I had, so I can verify the attorney was involved.   He seemed very knowledgeable to me.

I don't know what will happen to Bittalk Media, but they do have a little pile of cash now.  I think Mihai is probably doing the right thing by stopping all spending immediately, conserve as much cash as possible, and return it to the shareholders.  But that is his decision.

EDIT:  to clarify, the new owners did not buy any shares in Bittalk Media, nor did we buy Bittalk media.  Only specific assets were purchased for cash and bitcoins.

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December 09, 2012, 08:50:15 AM
#86
So, am I still going to receive the magazine with all this dumbassery going on?

Quantum

Yes. Progress is continuing on all aspects of the magazine's distribution and development.
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December 09, 2012, 08:17:39 AM
#85
The new owners didn't necessarily do anything wrong. But if the sale was fraudulent, then they may not own what they think they own. That is, I am not accusing Tony of any wrongdoing. I'm just saying that Mihai's actions seem suspicious to me.

Yeah, i'm not saying you were accusing anyone. It just sounds like some of the new owners are going to be accused of knowing more about the situation than previously thought. Though obviously the actions of Mihai and/or Vladimir  have given them the opportunity to purchase the magazine.
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December 09, 2012, 07:56:01 AM
#84
I think he is a new owner, right? If the sale was based on defrauding minority shareholders (as Vladimir claims and I think may be true), then Steve has every reason to ask everyone to get past this drama. After all, he is the guy who bought the stolen property.

It's Tony from BitPay who is one of the new owners.

The extent to which minor share-holders were excluded from the process would probably be clearer if Vladimir disclosed the extent of his own and his wife's holdings - given that it's claimed 75% of shareholders accepted the proposal how much of the remaining 25% was controlled by Vladimir and his wife is extremely relevant to whether "minority shareholders" were "defrauded".

The above bank statement is incomplete and misrepresents the facts of the matter. Tony Gallippi was informed about that.


Hey Vlad, are you going to try and charge for your time posting to this thead Wink

hey, i have an expense account labelled "Defending My Integrity"!  Wink

You mean an account labelled "Throw Tony Under A Bus"?

it was sold for some unknown to me amount and in secret from some shareholders and justified by defamatory statements (likely for by an order of magnitude lower amount) to Mihai's and Vitalik's new employer and with likely extreme prejudice to minority shareholders. It is as simple as that.

Given alleged misrepresentation on both sides, it is difficult to know the facts. However, my guess is that Valdimir's account is largely accurate (i.e. there was a conspiracy to defraud minority shareholders and Vladimir wisely tried to avoid participation in this conspiracy). My suggestion is that both sides refer these matters to lawyers and avoid making any further actions or statements except on the basis of legal advice.

When shit hits the fan people losers feel the need to defend themselves on bitcointalk which might often drag others into the fray. The only winners are those who don't need to defend themselves, because they aren't losing or accused of anything. In this case it is the new owners... sans maybe Tony.

The new owners didn't necessarily do anything wrong. But if the sale was fraudulent, then they may not own what they think they own. That is, I am not accusing Tony of any wrongdoing. I'm just saying that Mihai's actions seem suspicious to me.
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December 09, 2012, 07:54:15 AM
#83
I think he is a new owner, right? If the sale was based on defrauding minority shareholders (as Vladimir claims and I think may be true), then Steve has every reason to ask everyone to get past this drama. After all, he is the guy who bought the stolen property.

It's Tony from BitPay who is one of the new owners.

The extent to which minor share-holders were excluded from the process would probably be clearer if Vladimir disclosed the extent of his own and his wife's holdings - given that it's claimed 75% of shareholders accepted the proposal how much of the remaining 25% was controlled by Vladimir and his wife is extremely relevant to whether "minority shareholders" were "defrauded".

The above bank statement is incomplete and misrepresents the facts of the matter. Tony Gallippi was informed about that.


Hey Vlad, are you going to try and charge for your time posting to this thead Wink

hey, i have an expense account labelled "Defending My Integrity"!  Wink

You mean an account labelled "Throw Tony Under A Bus"?

it was sold for some unknown to me amount and in secret from some shareholders and justified by defamatory statements (likely for by an order of magnitude lower amount) to Mihai's and Vitalik's new employer and with likely extreme prejudice to minority shareholders. It is as simple as that.

Given alleged misrepresentation on both sides, it is difficult to know the facts. However, my guess is that Valdimir's account is largely accurate (i.e. there was a conspiracy to defraud minority shareholders and Vladimir wisely tried to avoid participation in this conspiracy). My suggestion is that both sides refer these matters to lawyers and avoid making any further actions or statements except on the basis of legal advice.

When shit hits the fan people losers feel the need to defend themselves on bitcointalk which might often drag others into the fray. The only winners are those who don't need to defend themselves, because they aren't losing or accused of anything. In this case it is the new owners... sans maybe Tony.
legendary
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December 09, 2012, 07:42:49 AM
#82
I think he is a new owner, right? If the sale was based on defrauding minority shareholders (as Vladimir claims and I think may be true), then Steve has every reason to ask everyone to get past this drama. After all, he is the guy who bought the stolen property.

It's Tony from BitPay who is one of the new owners.

The extent to which minor share-holders were excluded from the process would probably be clearer if Vladimir disclosed the extent of his own and his wife's holdings - given that it's claimed 75% of shareholders accepted the proposal how much of the remaining 25% was controlled by Vladimir and his wife is extremely relevant to whether "minority shareholders" were "defrauded".



Even if Valdimir is the sole minority shareholder, I'm pretty sure that it is a breach of fiduciary duty for the majority shareholders to dissolve the LLC without providing the minority shareholders with advance notice. The minority shareholders must be given an opportunity to voice objections prior to the dissolution if their participation has any chance of affecting the outcome. Even though the minority shareholders lack the voting power to block the dissolution directly, they could still might voice objections that influence the decisions of other shareholders. Thus the rule. This is true even if there are no other forms of self-dealing involved.

e.g. a large shareholder says: we should sell the company for 60k. That is the best we can get. Everyone who is notified (say 75% of shareholders) votes yes. However, if the minority shareholder had been presented and pointed out that there was another offer for 120k available, then this would likely have affected the vote outcome. To prevent this situation, we have the rule that all shareholders must be given advance notice before extremely big decisions like this are made. This is a minority shareholder protection. (one way out is if they are incorporated in some ghetto state which makes laws to favor elites. If so, these protections are often absent. However, my guess is that it is a UK corporation. The UK has very good protection for minority shareholders.)

Maybe there are some other experts out there who can help out? I am not a lawyer and don't have any legal expertise.
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December 09, 2012, 07:32:03 AM
#81
In case any of the two gents is inclined to comment on the

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02/11/12 VM Consulting discussing trade trick of selling cars with Mihai

line in Marchenko's invoice #100001, I'd very much like to hear all about it.

The reason I ask is because a different fuckwit by the name of Lee Wilkins is currently spending time in a Romanian prison over such a "trade trick of selling cars". Seeing how that'd be the exact same sort of Interneteer you are, I'm curious.

What exact tricks were you turning inside, about, and around cars, Vladimir & Mihai?
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December 09, 2012, 05:40:47 AM
#80
I think he is a new owner, right? If the sale was based on defrauding minority shareholders (as Vladimir claims and I think may be true), then Steve has every reason to ask everyone to get past this drama. After all, he is the guy who bought the stolen property.

It's Tony from BitPay who is one of the new owners.

The extent to which minor share-holders were excluded from the process would probably be clearer if Vladimir disclosed the extent of his own and his wife's holdings - given that it's claimed 75% of shareholders accepted the proposal how much of the remaining 25% was controlled by Vladimir and his wife is extremely relevant to whether "minority shareholders" were "defrauded".

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December 09, 2012, 05:25:15 AM
#79
You guys are spending too much time fretting about this stuff.  To the extent Vladimir feels he's been wronged, he should absolutely seek recompense.  Lawyers, arbitrators and courts exist for that purpose and lawsuits, while costly and best avoided if possible, are a normal part of business.  Disagreements happen all the time.  You guys (Vladimir and Matthew included) have done a great job in bootstrapping Bitcoin magazine into existence.  I wonder if you all really grasp how valuable that experience will be to you in the future.  

I'm looking forward to the next issue and I'm sure those no longer involved with the magazine will go on to do other cool stuff with Bitcoin.

A voice of reason. Please take this mans advice into consideration, and avoid further embarrasment and pointless juvenile drama.

I think he is a new owner, right? If the sale was based on defrauding minority shareholders (as Vladimir claims and I think may be true), then Steve Steve's partner Tony has every reason to ask everyone to get past this drama. After all, he is the guy who bought the stolen property.

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December 09, 2012, 05:19:06 AM
#78


A voice of reason. Please take this mans advice into consideration, and avoid further embarrasment and pointless juvenile drama.

As theymos said elsewhere, Bitcoin is backed by drama.

http://dramatalk.org/
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December 09, 2012, 05:05:59 AM
#77
You guys are spending too much time fretting about this stuff.  To the extent Vladimir feels he's been wronged, he should absolutely seek recompense.  Lawyers, arbitrators and courts exist for that purpose and lawsuits, while costly and best avoided if possible, are a normal part of business.  Disagreements happen all the time.  You guys (Vladimir and Matthew included) have done a great job in bootstrapping Bitcoin magazine into existence.  I wonder if you all really grasp how valuable that experience will be to you in the future. 

I'm looking forward to the next issue and I'm sure those no longer involved with the magazine will go on to do other cool stuff with Bitcoin.

A voice of reason. Please take this mans advice into consideration, and avoid further embarrasment and pointless juvenile drama.
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December 09, 2012, 04:50:34 AM
#76
lol "I paid myself 100 btc NOT 1000$ while paying others nothing.. SEE they WERE lying and I am the victim!"

Pathetic Vladimir. I know nothing about this case, but you have made yourself look very stupid and guilty.
Not just that, bittenbob originally neglected to mention that Mihai (also known as "the guy who just seized control from Vladimir and sold off the company he owned shares in without telling him") paid himself the exact same salary of 100 BTC as Vladimir did, again whilst refusing to pay any other director. Under the circumstances that's hardly a minor omission.

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So one of the other directors did receive a payment but none of the other shareholders did.

Whether any of the shareholders - directors or otherwise - should have been receiving payment from the company for their services at all is an interesting topic in itself.

Time and again over the last year and a half we've seen the dangers of rushing into business with people you don't know illustrated, and especially the dangers of people not getting independent legal advice before forming partnerships/companies.  Enthusiasm is great, but not when it over-comes commonsense and that seems to be something which has happened repeatedly.
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December 09, 2012, 04:23:12 AM
#75
lol "I paid myself 100 btc NOT 1000$ while paying others nothing.. SEE they WERE lying and I am the victim!"

Pathetic Vladimir. I know nothing about this case, but you have made yourself look very stupid and guilty.
Not just that, bittenbob originally neglected to mention that Mihai (also known as "the guy who just seized control from Vladimir and sold off the company he owned shares in without telling him") paid himself the exact same salary of 100 BTC as Vladimir did, again whilst refusing to pay any other director. Under the circumstances that's hardly a minor omission.
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December 09, 2012, 03:12:50 AM
#74
It is my understanding, based on what little information I have, that the transfer of ownership of Bitcoin Magazine has been done improperly and highly likely fraudulently (if the article about new ownership published on bitcoinmagazine.net is true). It might be potentially classed as fraudulent because no proper shareholder vote was done and they have attempted to conceal this matter from at least some shareholders. It is my understanding that Mihai Alisie as sole director of the company acting dishonestly and in conspiracy with a number of third parties has potentially fraudulently transferred assets from other shareholders (the company) to himself and his co-conspirators without shareholder vote being properly done.

I own a significant amount of shares in Bittalk Media Ltd and I am not aware about any shareholder votes related to any significant property transactions nor have I received any consideration for any property of the company or for my shares. The third parties involved in this transaction ought to have known that they are very likely dishonestly assisted in director's breach of fiduciary duty and therefore very likely will be liable themselves.  Not to mention that annual employment contracts received by some look too much like bribes.

It also appears that Mihai Alisie has transferred ownership of domain bitcoinmagazine.com to himself (see whois) while the domain was bought by him acting in capacity of director of the company, following instructions of myself (Managing Director of the company at the time) and using company money that were specifically transferred to him for purpose of purchasing the domain. He also claimed in private conversations that that domain somehow belongs to him and that he himself somehow owns a lot of "intellectual property" which rightfully should have been owned by the company.

I will pursue this matter legally in due course.

Why does this sound like Bitcoinica?!

Quote everything!

Mr. Vladimir fails to explain what caused this transfer of ownership.

Mr. Vladimir decided of his own free will to resign from the Director position in Bittalk Media, and resign from all duties at Bittalk Media.  After this decision, he awarded himself, without any consent from the Board of Directors or consulting anyone, an exit bonus that has brought BitTalk Media on the brink of collapse. The money was critical for the magazine’s printing, shipping and distribution. His actions pushed me towards looking for ways to save the magazine, since obviously this was not in his agenda. Vladimir himself brought Tony in to mediate this dispute and after trying on numerous occasions to come to an agreement it was clear that other options should be taken in consideration.

Mr. Vladimir failed to turn over access to the company’s bank accounts, PayPal accounts, and other assets under his control.  He also started to charge BitTalk Media at a rate of 80 GBP per hour for the time required to respond to messages and emails that asked for clarifications and actions regarding these company assets.  Even more, he was paying himself for the time that was required to pay himself. All these actions lead towards considering him as a rogue/hostile shareholder.  As the sole remaining Director in Bittalk Media I had a meeting with the shareholders, where we discussed our options.

The sale of assets was handled by a licensed UK attorney specialized in Commercial Law, Contracts and Company Law and all the papers were signed by shareholders representing approximately 75% of the voting interest in Bittalk Media.

I think that Mr. Vladimir should stop posing as a victim and he should take full credit for reducing the value of BitTalk Media with his greed and ethically questionable actions. Regarding the fiduciary duty that he keeps bringing about, I would like to remind him that while he was a Director he repeatedly threatened the shareholders to block an investment that would have brought over $65,000 in new capital and probably would have saved the company.

More than this, and probably the reason for deciding to resign from the Director position, he has failed to explain more than $20,000 in expenses for items such as $8,000 in IT fees for 8 months for hosting a wordpress blog on a server which he owns, and for paying 300 GBP per month (full rent) in rent for office space which is also utilized by other businesses owned by Vladimir, and for over $3000 in software for “digital publications” of Bitcoin Magazine that never produced any digital publications.

I would also like to point out that since the beginning of the company, he has included his wife as a Director and has awarded her equity for taking care of the accounting. To this day, I am still patiently waiting, to receive the income statements, balance sheets and the statement of cash flows of this company.  During the course of due diligence, the new owners discovered that in fact these accounting documents did not exist.

If Mr. Vladimir wants to perpetuate this drama on the forums, I can publicly disclose the invoices sent by him to BitTalk Media as well as the shareholder signed documents.

Vitalik, Matthew, Adam and the rest of the shareholders support this action and signed the documents to solidify their support of the asset sale.  All shareholders will receive a dividend payout from the sale, which will be handled by an attorney.

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Mr. Vladimir fails to explain what caused this transfer of ownership.
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I would also like to point out that since the beginning of the company, he has included his wife as a Director and has awarded her equity for taking care of the accounting. To this day, I am still patiently waiting, to receive the income statements, balance sheets and the statement of cash flows of this company.  During the course of due diligence, the new owners discovered that in fact these accounting documents did not exist.

If Mr. Vladimir wants to perpetuate this drama on the forums, I can publicly disclose the invoices sent by him to BitTalk Media as well as the shareholder signed documents.
(...)

The words highlighted above as bold are false statement of facts, defamatory and misleading. And I do not mean minor technicalities like 100BTC or 1000$ I mean either very significant misrepresentation or just outright lies. (...)

Also, since it seems that Mr. Vladimir has some problems with his memory regarding his wife shares and position in the company I am attaching the following:





Is this going to turn into one of those "oh wait nobody had in fact signed the papers" GLBSE sort of thing?

As an aside: if any of you people in that list actually hired Alisie you're either incredibly naive or pretty fucking stupid.

During the period of November 13-15, Bittalk had 293 GBP in the bank account, which I could not access.  The company had $58 in our PayPal account, which also I could not access.  Both accounts were under the sole control of former employee and former Director Mr. Vladimir, after he resigned.

Now we're getting closer to real numbers, because 65k and 8k and all that stuff with k's in it was getting a little ridiculous.

While the terms of the deal are undisclosed, I was able to receive a fair price for selling the surplus magazines, iMac computer, and other intangible assets.

Neither product stores nor computers are intangibles, but leaving that aside: was the computer intangible asset sold to the gf for that fair price?

To maximize the cash value to shareholders, I decided to stop all production on issue 6, not incur any more expenses at all, and return as much cash as possible to our shareholders.

This process will be handled by a liquidation attorney to make sure all revenue and cash is properly accounted for and distributed.  This will include the Barnes & Noble revenue for issues 3, 4, and 5.  All shareholders of Bittalk Media will receive a cash dividend payment once this process is complete.

Bitcoin Magazine will live on, and is now owned by a very talented group of persons in the bitcoin community with very good business experience.

Cute.
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December 09, 2012, 01:33:05 AM
#73
You guys are spending too much time fretting about this stuff.  To the extent Vladimir feels he's been wronged, he should absolutely seek recompense.  Lawyers, arbitrators and courts exist for that purpose and lawsuits, while costly and best avoided if possible, are a normal part of business.  Disagreements happen all the time.  You guys (Vladimir and Matthew included) have done a great job in bootstrapping Bitcoin magazine into existence.  I wonder if you all really grasp how valuable that experience will be to you in the future. 

I'm looking forward to the next issue and I'm sure those no longer involved with the magazine will go on to do other cool stuff with Bitcoin.
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December 09, 2012, 12:51:16 AM
#72
I think what's really needed is for the wife and the girlfriend to come on and discuss the issue. Women are better communicators than men.
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December 09, 2012, 12:36:28 AM
#71
it was sold for some unknown to me amount and in secret from some shareholders and justified by defamatory statements (likely for by an order of magnitude lower amount) to Mihai's and Vitalik's new employer and with likely extreme prejudice to minority shareholders. It is as simple as that.

Given alleged misrepresentation on both sides, it is difficult to know the facts. However, my guess is that Valdimir's account is largely accurate (i.e. there was a conspiracy to defraud minority shareholders and Vladimir wisely tried to avoid participation in this conspiracy). My suggestion is that both sides refer these matters to lawyers and avoid making any further actions or statements except on the basis of legal advice.



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