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When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

Very interesting one.
I guess the problem is that you have to keep gambling to maintain the "stress relief" state or euphoria you get from it else you go back to your former state... unless you have something else better & safer to relieve you from stress and sadness/depression.
I think it's better to get ones stress-relief from something more beneficial

But all the other remedies used by people to cope with stress, such as sedatives and antidepressants, also produce only a temporary effect, and in many cases that's enough to stop the slippage from stress into depression, and that's the main goal actually. Gambling by no means can be called a universal cure for stress, but for some people it is a good cure.

I think gambling is only to treat stress and not a psychiatric illness or severe depression and it only needs drugs that doctors recommend instead of gambling.
Gambling is done a lot because of its many stress problems, depression is a lot of problems so most people with gambling can be felt obau so many say gambling is just for fun only.

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Quote from: Ucy on January 15, 2020, 04:46:06 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 14, 2020, 08:19:14 AM

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When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

Very interesting one.
I guess the problem is that you have to keep gambling to maintain the "stress relief" state or euphoria you get from it else you go back to your former state... unless you have something else better & safer to relieve you from stress and sadness/depression.
I think it's better to get ones stress-relief from something more beneficial

But all the other remedies used by people to cope with stress, such as sedatives and antidepressants, also produce only a temporary effect, and in many cases that's enough to stop the slippage from stress into depression, and that's the main goal actually. Gambling by no means can be called a universal cure for stress, but for some people it is a good cure.

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So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling

It can be a stress-reliever of sorts

However, there are many stress-relievers out there (as they say, drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll), and each approach to this goal of relieving stress is markedly different from others. Put differently, there are various ways of dealing with stress, and what I'm interested in is finding out what makes gambling a stress-reliever, i.e. what emotions it causes, or rather, what idea triggers a particular emotion that makes us feel happy after a win
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When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

Very interesting one.
I guess the problem is that you have to keep gambling to maintain the "stress relief" state or euphoria you get from it else you go back to your former state... unless you have something else better & safer to relieve you from stress and sadness/depression.
I think it's better to get ones stress-relief from something more beneficial

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Quote from: DaftAjax on January 14, 2020, 10:07:57 PM

Quote from: milewilda on January 14, 2020, 04:52:12 PM

Normal for us to have these kind of reactions specially when we do already deal with big amounts and even we do say that we are playing just for fun its still for ourselves to get stressed
and got worried if we lost that one unless if you are hella of a rich guy that doesn't bother on losing money.Each person do have its own consideration when it comes on whats big amount to them.$100 might be small for some but for majority it would be big so if you do seek for entertainment ,you wont consider on using all of the amount but due to impulsive reactions along the way then most likely you would end up on the common path.

Then it's contradictory to the idea of being a stress-relief if you would be more stressed on worrying about winning or losing. Don't get me wrong everyone wants to win, but to what extent do we consider it as having fun?

This also bothers me

The interesting thing is that we are not interested (I like this turn of phrase) in playing games where we can't lose anything. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, we could play the same dice using the test mode of a gambling bot (e.g. Seuntjies DiceBot), but I don't think we would get a lot of pleasure out of this activity. And now we have two extremes. At one extreme, we must expect to lose something in order to make a game interesting to us, and, at the other extreme, losses can be quite worrying and far from being fun (let alone being a stress-reliever)

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Quote from: DaftAjax on January 13, 2020, 07:56:42 AM

Quote from: Reatim on January 13, 2020, 01:51:12 AM

i think it is not right to argue about things here mate since you have admitted not being a Gambler so you have different opinion in each matter while gambling relies on their own experiences ,it is easy to say a word that we think is right while the truth is there is more appropriate that what we know.

so in this i take what Doomstake says as he seems to be more knowledgeable about gambling and for me as not totally gambler(but has experience since i play when i have a chance) dice is pure luck so what matter you spreads your bet yet luck will decide if you will catch some wins or not.

I apologize, you should've seen my last comment:

Quote from: DaftAjax on January 11, 2020, 05:34:00 AM

I am not a gambler myself, at least not by money that is.

yeah right have missed that one as well,but i mean no bad just a clarification about opinion of a Literal Gambler and those who have idea about this.and also?i Salure people that is not Gambling their Money in any case because for me?they are the one who really control their life functionally .

Quote from: DaftAjax on January 13, 2020, 07:56:42 AM

Well, mate, you see I don't believe in luck. This may come as a shock but "experience" isn't always the best thing to justify what is wrong or what is right. Besides, I'm just proving a point. But then again, have you heard of the term craps(?), and if I'm not wrong it's one of the most common you can find in casinos. Well, you see, there is craps strategy. And turns out it works just fine, you should check it out.

though i am not totally believe in Luck yet in some point they exist(IMO) as there are some games in gambling that cannot be win by strategies but yet there are some who take the chance and win sometimes Huge.

anyway nice share and will check back later when i'm home..Thanks for that Buddy.

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Quote from: peter0425 on January 15, 2020, 02:39:40 AM

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Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Gambling skills are important where when you gamble there you can play the strategy to win, luck is not always on your side but there must be an effort to get that luck so in my opinion gambling should be relaxed and a good strategy.
Luck is always you if your gambling tactics are played.

it depends on which Gambling are you pointing mate,because even how good you are in gambling but you are playing "Slot Machines" do you thing strategies will take place?well i am sure it is Luck and nothing more ,not unless it is about Handling our winnings then that is not the point here.

on one site that i play , there is a game called slots and i noticed that they have these settings on slot simillar to dice and other gambling games so it comes to my head that slot can also be appied by a strategy which is true i think , like for example autobetting with zero bets or small amount of bets as your pre roll because early in game the win will not usually come but they will come after several red streaks . increasing bets or martingale would also be good for playing slots .

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Quote from: watergold on January 13, 2020, 02:26:34 AM

Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Gambling skills are important where when you gamble there you can play the strategy to win, luck is not always on your side but there must be an effort to get that luck so in my opinion gambling should be relaxed and a good strategy.
Luck is always you if your gambling tactics are played.

it depends on which Gambling are you pointing mate,because even how good you are in gambling but you are playing "Slot Machines" do you thing strategies will take place?well i am sure it is Luck and nothing more ,not unless it is about Handling our winnings then that is not the point here.

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Quote from: zhekinsp on January 14, 2020, 04:39:56 PM

I feel excitement about the result of casino games is what that drives people into playing casino games again and again even if they know that game has no physical activity and it will end in seconds or fraction of it.

It’s the money that drives people to keep gambling as everyone wants easy money and they think that it is very easy to make money from gambling within seconds and thus they keep trying their luck till they either win or till they lose the the money .

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You have a whole point. People do gamble to earn money fast! That's the truth. Even the richest man who gambles for fun has a purpose to double or tripled his money. We can't deny the fact that the easiest way to get profits is to gamble. But i do have a goal here. I am not considering this wherein I am dependent in gambling. I do have my full time job and gambling is just my pass time.

When you gamble, do some control and plans. That's very important.

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Quote from: deisik on January 10, 2020, 04:16:41 PM

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

The sensation of entertainment in gambling games like dice for me is one of the most unique moments that I often play.

Do not know what to say what I experienced when gambling was played, in one sense I wanted to profit from another aspect to be a pleasure and entertainment for me.

What is clear gambling has both for me the benefits and pleasure. That is, entertainment, profit and pleasure while playing gambling.

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Quote from: zhekinsp on January 14, 2020, 04:39:56 PM

I feel excitement about the result of casino games is what that drives people into playing casino games again and again even if they know that game has no physical activity and it will end in seconds or fraction of it.

Whenever they lose money or win money, they will come back to the casino, and the big result will be on the casino places, which means the casino wins so much money from the gamblers. When we continue the games, we must realize that the next round will not be the same as before, and if you win in the last round, your luck will not always come again in the next round. So you need to realize that gambling is not the way to be the source of income, but if you can feel the excitement, then you can play gambling because of the excitement, but you should know when to stop gambling.

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So far, it seems there is a unique feeling of fun when gambling that may not be found elsewhere.

And even ourselves can't explain this even we want to. In the back of our subconscious mind there is something that tingling us to play and play. Perhaps, this question should be answer by a psychiatrist so he/she can enlighten us since all we can say is " we just want to ". Simple as that and game concept is just a factor.

its called dopamine they say which causes us to keep coming back on one thing or to become addicted .

we ourselves can research more further if we want to know how to cure it or prevent it but its always better to call a physical help or a mental help from the experts so that they can prescribe us the right kind of drugs or dosage if the problem is now severe .

Fortunately, I have not been in that situation where I feel like I need some professional intervention in my gambling habit. I just love the excitement of gambling but I can certainly say no to it when the need calls. There is that pulling force from gambling but it is not yet on a level that I cannot resist that gambling itch.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on January 14, 2020, 11:24:34 AM

It could be said that gambling works as a stress reliever .Actually it works by the same fundamental principle. If you are into some problem then via gambling your attention would get diverted towards the game and it would actually help you to forget about the worries for some time. But it could not eradicate the problem completely.

So you mean to say escapism. But how long do you think it would be just an escapism, have you consider it as being an addiction?

Quote from: milewilda on January 14, 2020, 04:52:12 PM

Normal for us to have these kind of reactions specially when we do already deal with big amounts and even we do say that we are playing just for fun its still for ourselves to get stressed
and got worried if we lost that one unless if you are hella of a rich guy that doesn't bother on losing money.Each person do have its own consideration when it comes on whats big amount to them.$100 might be small for some but for majority it would be big so if you do seek for entertainment ,you wont consider on using all of the amount but due to impulsive reactions along the way then most likely you would end up on the common path.

Then it's contradictory to the idea of being a stress-relief if you would be more stressed on worrying about winning or losing. Don't get me wrong everyone wants to win, but to what extent do we consider it as having fun?

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Quote from: Ailmand on January 14, 2020, 03:35:21 AM

Gambling was actually made as a form of entertainment along side with risking your money for a chance of winning. The thrill it self of risking your money maybe enjoyable for some people, not to mention the unexplainable enjoyment or the feeling winning a bet brings. This might be one of the reason why people gamble.

Yeah, this is one of the reason why people gamble, but is not applicable for everyone. Only those who have shit loads of money or can afford to lose a lot gambles for fun and doesn't care if they lose their money or not. The thrill and excitement of winning gives them adrenalean rush which they really enjoy a lot. Again, most people gamble to make some money real quick. Their main intention is to grab some quick profit over night. But unfortunately, most of the people just ends up losing everything.

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Quote from: deisik on January 11, 2020, 07:37:12 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2020, 04:53:45 AM

Quote from: deisik on January 10, 2020, 04:16:41 PM

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling

It can be a stress-reliever of sorts

However, there are many stress-relievers out there (as they say, drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll), and each approach to this goal of relieving stress is markedly different from others. Put differently, there are various ways of dealing with stress, and what I'm interested in is finding out what makes gambling a stress-reliever, i.e. what emotions it causes, or rather, what idea triggers a particular emotion that makes us feel happy after a win
~

When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

Normal for us to have these kind of reactions specially when we do already deal with big amounts and even we do say that we are playing just for fun its still for ourselves to get stressed
and got worried if we lost that one unless if you are hella of a rich guy that doesn't bother on losing money.Each person do have its own consideration when it comes on whats big amount to them.$100 might be small for some but for majority it would be big so if you do seek for entertainment ,you wont consider on using all of the amount but due to impulsive reactions along the way then most likely you would end up on the common path.

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I feel excitement about the result of casino games is what that drives people into playing casino games again and again even if they know that game has no physical activity and it will end in seconds or fraction of it.

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Quote from: Ailmand on January 14, 2020, 03:35:21 AM

Gambling was actually made as a form of entertainment along side with risking your money for a chance of winning. The thrill it self of risking your money maybe enjoyable for some people, not to mention the unexplainable enjoyment or the feeling winning a bet brings. This might be one of the reason why people gamble.

That is the right way to treat gambling as a form of entertainment, so we don't think about it when we can get winning, which will be hard to get. But many people don't use that way because they want to make money from gambling. Once they realize that, they will be late to stop because their money is already going. But some people can recognize that, and they don't try to force themselves to continue the games because they know as soon as possible they stop the games will be better for them.

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Quote from: deisik on January 11, 2020, 07:37:12 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2020, 04:53:45 AM

Quote from: deisik on January 10, 2020, 04:16:41 PM

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling

It can be a stress-reliever of sorts

However, there are many stress-relievers out there (as they say, drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll), and each approach to this goal of relieving stress is markedly different from others. Put differently, there are various ways of dealing with stress, and what I'm interested in is finding out what makes gambling a stress-reliever, i.e. what emotions it causes, or rather, what idea triggers a particular emotion that makes us feel happy after a win
~

When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

It could be said that gambling works as a stress reliever .Actually it works by the same fundamental principle. If you are into some problem then via gambling your attention would get diverted towards the game and it would actually help you to forget about the worries for some time. But it could not eradicate the problem completely.

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Yeah indeed there is not an useful thing to make gambling as an entertainment because I have to spend money and trying to guess what will happen next, in dice gambling it is pure based on luck and you have to deserve about it. So this way, I realized that dice gambling is pure about lucky although there is some strategies that can help for at least I'll be safe to lose much money. And I just thinking if I spend money that I think it is not guaranted to get money back even to make money through it so I'll spend them for just an entertainment. Because if I spend money for that thing at least I can keep myself to can't be a gambling addict and I can avoid it so far.

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Quote from: Ailmand on January 14, 2020, 03:35:21 AM

Gambling was actually made as a form of entertainment along side with risking your money for a chance of winning. The thrill it self of risking your money maybe enjoyable for some people, not to mention the unexplainable enjoyment or the feeling winning a bet brings. This might be one of the reason why people gamble.

The lust to win not all because of money but to win with the game you pick brings enjoyment to yourself. Both casino and sports gamblers
have their own explanations and it's a desire to win that adds up the thrill inside this venue of activities.
Satisfying your lust makes you to keep coming back and play inside the gaming websites.

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