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So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling

It can be a stress-reliever of sorts

However, there are many stress-relievers out there (as they say, drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll), and each approach to this goal of relieving stress is markedly different from others. Put differently, there are various ways of dealing with stress, and what I'm interested in is finding out what makes gambling a stress-reliever, i.e. what emotions it causes, or rather, what idea triggers a particular emotion that makes us feel happy after a win
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When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

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Quote from: Steamtyme on January 10, 2020, 09:45:40 PM

I can't speak to most sites or what they have for visuals. I do imagine anyone who plays dice online likely started spinning slots irl. These machines are designed to induce a sense of sensory overload and pleasure. It keeps you coming back by using bright shiny flashy and loud stimulus to fake a sense of happiness and euphoria.
Think about the way you felt walking through the midway at a carnival... everything is great. So I imagine the sites that players say they play the most on just for fun provide something similar.
The few times I played a plinko style game I thought it was similar I got to watch all the dice bouncing around and there was that edge of your seat anticipation if you could hit the big multiplier or not. I can't even remember if it was with real funds or simply a small faucet on the site. Either way it was small amounts but did provide that brief sense of enjoyment. With respect to dice, I didn't see the same ideas at play. There it was more about feeling like you could bring a strategy to play by changing around the multiplier... is that right, whatever it is to set your win/loss threshold for the role.

This is probably part of the cause, but most people who get "entertained by artificial pleasure inducing things" probably don't know they are the primary sources of the fun/pleasure/entertainment they get from gambling. In my opinion, this sort of pleasure inducing things shouldn't be use on luck-based gambling. They have more disadvantages than advantages

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Gambling was actually made as a form of entertainment along side with risking your money for a chance of winning. The thrill it self of risking your money maybe enjoyable for some people, not to mention the unexplainable enjoyment or the feeling winning a bet brings. This might be one of the reason why people gamble.

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Quote from: Meowth05 on January 13, 2020, 10:47:11 AM

Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies. I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning

The games of luck are called that way for a reason

There is no way skill is going to help you increase your chances of winning as the outcomes are determined in a completely random way, so you can't change the odds in your favor through skills or expertise. Technically, if you are able to somehow predict the results (e.g. by exploiting a bug in the betting system), the game stops being a game of chance. Anyway, this matter is way off-topic here, and it looks like it is better to be put aside

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So far, it seems there is a unique feeling of fun when gambling that may not be found elsewhere.

And even ourselves can't explain this even we want to. In the back of our subconscious mind there is something that tingling us to play and play. Perhaps, this question should be answer by a psychiatrist so he/she can enlighten us since all we can say is " we just want to ". Simple as that and game concept is just a factor.

its called dopamine they say which causes us to keep coming back on one thing or to become addicted .

we ourselves can research more further if we want to know how to cure it or prevent it but its always better to call a physical help or a mental help from the experts so that they can prescribe us the right kind of drugs or dosage if the problem is now severe .

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 14, 2020, 12:53:57 AM

So far, it seems there is a unique feeling of fun when gambling that may not be found elsewhere.

And even ourselves can't explain this even we want to. In the back of our subconscious mind there is something that tingling us to play and play. Perhaps, this question should be answer by a psychiatrist so he/she can enlighten us since all we can say is " we just want to ". Simple as that and game concept is just a factor.

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Quote from: deisik on January 10, 2020, 04:16:41 PM

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

There's really nothing at all, I am playing to have some fun, I just want to fulfill my inner longings to have some excitement, it's on my feeing we just want to have a stress reliever that's all I'm not also playing because it is a routine, I just play when I want to and where my time allows, I just don't want to define how I play and why I play.

Maybe some of them rely on the happiness of playing betting games because they see it as their source of enjoyment. It can also entertain you to forget your problems, and focus yourself how to become relaxed and relieve your stress. There's nothing more with the games, it's just pure entertainment and contentment. It depends if you always lose, it may increase your stress and anxiety. But be careful on playing games in gambling.

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Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies. I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning.

How about the gambling games that are pure with luck like dice games, lottery, and else? I think we really depend on luck to win the games because we see that many gamblers cannot win in those games. If you want to have a chance to win, then maybe you need to play gambling that is not based on luck. You can play sports betting, card, which will use experience, knowledge, strategies to win so your chance to win will be bigger. But you should have a place that you can use to gather the information that will be needed to select the teams.

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Quote from: crwth on January 13, 2020, 08:04:08 PM

I do think everyone knows that there's a minuscule chance that you could win the jackpot in gambling. There's nothing you could say or do that could change that because casino owners want profit, and they would want people to be investing in their business, right? Anyways, there's no good reason why you should gamble. It's not going to be answered honestly, too (if they were addicts.) I love gambling when there's a challenge that you could do and have the opportunity to capitalize on it, but there should always be the limit you are willing to take.

I'm just curious as to why this topic has been created because I'm not questioning why I play games though. Maybe the root cause of addiction? Perhaps you know someone who experienced this type?

No, there's always a good reason why you should gamble. If there is a reason for you to love gambling then that reason itself is good enough for you to gamble again, if not tomorrow then certainly in the future. But if the fun that you feel and enjoy in gambling could be felt and experienced elsewhere where money is not lost, then I would probably not gamble again. So far, it seems there is a unique feeling of fun when gambling that may not be found elsewhere.

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I do think everyone knows that there's a minuscule chance that you could win the jackpot in gambling. There's nothing you could say or do that could change that because casino owners want profit, and they would want people to be investing in their business, right? Anyways, there's no good reason why you should gamble. It's not going to be answered honestly, too (if they were addicts.) I love gambling when there's a challenge that you could do and have the opportunity to capitalize on it, but there should always be the limit you are willing to take.

I'm just curious as to why this topic has been created because I'm not questioning why I play games though. Maybe the root cause of addiction? Perhaps you know someone who experienced this type?

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Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Gambling skills are important where when you gamble there you can play the strategy to win, luck is not always on your side but there must be an effort to get that luck so in my opinion gambling should be relaxed and a good strategy.
Luck is always you if your gambling tactics are played.

You are right in your point of view as if a person do not have skills in gambling then they do not have to think that they will ever win in gambling. So before you want to enter in gambling better is that to get lessons from experienced gamblers from them you will learn everything very soon. While if you are unable to learn the skills of gambling or you cannot win then do not spend much of your money in gambling.

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Quote from: Meowth05 on January 13, 2020, 10:47:11 AM

Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies. I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning.

But there are many games in gambling in which you just need to learn them and after that all of the game depend on luck. Just like a lottery. When you like to participate in a lottery then you will ask from a person to tell you that how to participate in lottery and they will teach you but after that not that person and neither your skills will help you to win the lottery but only your luck can make you win. While there are other games like sports betting you can win with your skills.

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Quote from: Meowth05 on January 13, 2020, 10:47:11 AM

Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies.

As for some games, all you need is a great luck in order to win however when talking about online gambling especially card or table games luck isn't the main thing you should possess when gambling but the skill and critical thinking for strategic moves. There are fortune based games, skill based games and games that needs both luck and skill. We'll be talking a lot if we consider talking in scientific basis.

Quote from: Meowth05 on January 13, 2020, 10:47:11 AM

I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning.

Experiences helps since you already stepped on that side of the road you should already know where the next step is, but it doesn't always go like that. Luck may come from nowhere but skill will be based on your knowledge.

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Quote from: watergold on January 13, 2020, 02:26:34 AM

Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Gambling skills are important where when you gamble there you can play the strategy to win, luck is not always on your side but there must be an effort to get that luck so in my opinion gambling should be relaxed and a good strategy.
Luck is always you if your gambling tactics are played.

A player doesn't always have both, either he only have skills or luck, but if he have both, then damn, he must have a lot of fortune making happening in gambling everyday of his life. My point is, people are risking their money in the line in the world of gambling to gain experience, to figure out if they could really make money out of it by playing games in gambling sites, which is a good start, but...

if they have the same mindset like you, they would automatically lose their money everyday because of that "there must be an effort to get that luck" thing you have said, because seriously, that is why it is called, it happens unexpectedly without you doing nothing at all.

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Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies. I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning.

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A question that in the first look was quite easy to answer but the moment you clearly think on what really the reason behind why you are gambling the question became harder and harder. Sorry in advance, sir if my answer seem inappropriate but I think the reason why I do such thing is that I am used to do it, and I find it a temporary source of generating even a little amount of income. Here's the short flash back, back when I was a kid when I used to go nearby places who at the same age of mine search someone who knew how to play basketball battling with a bet in a middle usually money (PHP 20/per person) so x5 with a total amount of (PHP 100 as a team), bet would depend upon the agreement of both teams sometimes it goes with a 1 liter bottle of soda/softdrinks. Bottom line here, is that it might not be the same as gambling betting then rolling a dice but it is still a gambling thing. I just got shifted from basketball to real world gambling. So may be I find gambling likely when I was playing basketball way back then.

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Satisfaction I guess. That's the feeling aside from personal enjoyment, we're satisfied as we gamble while getting that enjoyable moment and we don't care if we win or lose because any from that is already expected to happen.

Little or big, we have that feeling that we're getting that success from those gains that we get as we enjoy. And if we tend to lose, as long as we're satisfied and we're "close" to win that last roll that's enough to say that at least we've tried and enjoyed at the same time.

One of the reasons why I am playing gambling is to reach the level of the satisfaction that I keep seeking. I see gambling as for fun, enjoyment and also as source of income. I do not care if I lose because I have proper risks management, I know that my money is have no guarantee in gambling but I keep improving my skills and strategies to become a better gambler.

If every gambler does have this understanding, I think no one will cry for their losses and instead will share the valuable lessons that he/she learned from the experience that was made because of the search for one's "satisfaction".

While you know the risk that gambling will give you, any reason why you gamble is suitable because that's the first thing that you need to know. You must be aware that losing is likely anytime.

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Quote from: Reatim on January 13, 2020, 01:51:12 AM

i think it is not right to argue about things here mate since you have admitted not being a Gambler so you have different opinion in each matter while gambling relies on their own experiences ,it is easy to say a word that we think is right while the truth is there is more appropriate that what we know.

so in this i take what Doomstake says as he seems to be more knowledgeable about gambling and for me as not totally gambler(but has experience since i play when i have a chance) dice is pure luck so what matter you spreads your bet yet luck will decide if you will catch some wins or not.

I apologize, you should've seen my last comment:

Quote from: DaftAjax on January 11, 2020, 05:34:00 AM

I am not a gambler myself, at least not by money that is.

Well, mate, you see I don't believe in luck. This may come as a shock but "experience" isn't always the best thing to justify what is wrong or what is right. Besides, I'm just proving a point. But then again, have you heard of the term craps(?), and if I'm not wrong it's one of the most common you can find in casinos. Well, you see, there is craps strategy. And turns out it works just fine, you should check it out.

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Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 12, 2020, 11:59:27 PM

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

can you state some skills or strategy when playing Slot machines?or even in Dice and Roulette ?also Bingo?if there then can you share us as we are in need to have one?this games are Pure Luck games and skills don't need in specifically .

Quote from: swogerino on January 13, 2020, 01:57:35 AM

I think there is the willingness to deceive yourself.Every time we lose in a slot machine we get sad but soon after we forget about it and our mind starts to think differently,we think that it was just bad luck and this time we are going to win a lot of money from that slot machine.However this is almost never the case as we end up losing more and more money but that thinking is what brings us back to gambling.

maybe the best word to use is Fooling ourselves?when at first we are reacting as we are being a loser and wanted to forget about playing but after a while coming back to table and trying luck again?

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