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Quote from: Capt00 on January 21, 2020, 05:03:37 AM

All gamblers have different reasons why they gamble and that includes having fun and getting easy money. Some even use gambling as their way to relieve stress, it depends on who is gambling. Whatever the reason of gambling it is very important one must have self control to avoid addiction and to avoid losing everything you have in life.

Relieving stress? I think only few gamblers does have this reason why they gamble but I'm not saying that it's not an applicable reason. And for sure, there are gamblers that really gamble because they want to relieve their stress.

They can release it as they gamble, we do have several ways to do it and others are choosing this kind of release and relieve. And as I have said before with this thread, after relieving the stress then it's bringing satisfaction.

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Quote from: michellee on January 21, 2020, 02:43:29 AM

I am not sure if you can always winning because that will not be possible in gambling.

That's not what I meant. I'm just pointing out that eventually, you'll get tired of always winning, and sometimes intend to lose just to win again and feel the same feeling every time you achieve a victory.

Quote from: deisik on January 21, 2020, 05:45:03 AM

That's because you are likely not bored to death in life (pardon the pun)

But when you are, and don't know how to spend your time, gambling becomes an appealing option. And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

Well, If I'm being honest I do some gambling, but not with money, at least I don't think it is. Are you familiar with the term "gacha"? In other terms its "loot boxes", "treasures" or something similar like that. You will get a certain "item", and the rarity depends on RNG. And it certainly is "fun" to say the least--there are other things that include the "gacha" part but it's really complicated to explain by just some sentences.

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So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

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You have claimed that you play just for fun. Stress is obviously a factor that does count when you are seeking monetary benefits from gambling. This is because you don’t care about enjoying the gaming experience. Your only aim is to win money. And I have seen that the more you are cautious about making money the lesser is the chance of winning.

depends on what is the reason of your stress . it can be stress because of financial problem . stress because of love life , etc.. but most of what we do when are stress is to find a fun thing to do like playing games or playing a gambling .

you dont seek for money when you play but to some that is stress due to financial , they also seek money aside from fun . you will loose more if you care less , what you expect with that ?

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Quote from: deisik on January 10, 2020, 04:16:41 PM

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling or there are many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

I think that you've described it perfectly - to get that momentary hit of dopamine.

It's obvious that people do it for financial reasons as well, but at the end of the day, that is not what most people look for (unless you're one of the people who see gambling as a means to recover losses from elsewhere, like trading). Especially lurkers on dice sites, they're obviously not influenced much by finances.

Honestly, in the more extreme cases, it is a pure, unadulterated addiction to chemicals produced in your brain - that is all.

Gambling is more like chemicals that could intoxicate our brains? Well on this opinion mate, I guess the raging toxicity is with the emotional management of a person. There's nothing to do with addiction, and if people happened to be someone like those addicted persom, I think he needs a rehabilitation to control thing over and out.

You have claimed that you play just for fun. Stress is obviously a factor that does count when you are seeking monetary benefits from gambling. This is because you don’t care about enjoying the gaming experience. Your only aim is to win money. And I have seen that the more you are cautious about making money the lesser is the chance of winning.

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As I see it now, the point of gambling (as in gambling per se and not some kind of an odd or even regular job) is in fact to give you some stress at first, and then provide an experience of relief from that stress. If you win, then you will feel that relief. If you lose, it again depends on your overall attitude as the loss could actually bring you even more stress. And then you start chasing losses and get into the stress spiral

In short, it's a roller coaster ride. Hmm. Not bad I think. Personally I wouldn't really enjoy something like this. But hey it's just me, to each their own

That's because you are likely not bored to death in life (pardon the pun)

But when you are, and don't know how to spend your time, gambling becomes an appealing option. And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

I'm a person that easily get bored on whatever I'm doing, except when I'm doing something that satisfies me like photography and photo editing, but whenever I have a free time way back then, I always play gambling in BetKong, I don't know if it still legit to play there cause it's been a while since I gamble, but yeah, you're right that it becomes an option when you're really empty headed and don't know what to do to kill your free time.

The only difference is that when to took it seriously, your working hours would become your free time when got addicted to it, especially gambling games that have their own twist.

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~ And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

I think gambling is no different from other pleasant activities in this regard. People are getting addicted to anything they find enjoyable, be it TV series, fast food, gaming, shopping ... you name it. The more delightful something to us, the more addictive it is. You said there are so many other options, but can you give some examples of things that can help us to relax, and that are not addictive at the same time? (Under no circumstances can I think that I know more than you do. I respect you as a valuable contributor to this forum, and I'm honored by getting replies from you. So, I don't intend to counter your words, rather I want to know your opinion on this matter).

Addiction is different given by gambling because we know that it do involves money and as part of human being
you would normally feel on having that impulsive feeling because you know the opportunities on making money.

We can indeed involved ourselves into other different hobbies or activities but this one do need some strong
discipline on ones mind.

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Quote from: deisik on January 21, 2020, 05:45:03 AM

~ And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

I think gambling is no different from other pleasant activities in this regard. People are getting addicted to anything they find enjoyable, be it TV series, fast food, gaming, shopping ... you name it. The more delightful something to us, the more addictive it is. You said there are so many other options, but can you give some examples of things that can help us to relax, and that are not addictive at the same time? (Under no circumstances can I think that I know more than you do. I respect you as a valuable contributor to this forum, and I'm honored by getting replies from you. So, I don't intend to counter your words, rather I want to know your opinion on this matter).

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Quote from: DaftAjax on January 20, 2020, 11:16:42 AM

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As I see it now, the point of gambling (as in gambling per se and not some kind of an odd or even regular job) is in fact to give you some stress at first, and then provide an experience of relief from that stress. If you win, then you will feel that relief. If you lose, it again depends on your overall attitude as the loss could actually bring you even more stress. And then you start chasing losses and get into the stress spiral

In short, it's a roller coaster ride. Hmm. Not bad I think. Personally I wouldn't really enjoy something like this. But hey it's just me, to each their own

That's because you are likely not bored to death in life (pardon the pun)

But when you are, and don't know how to spend your time, gambling becomes an appealing option. And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

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Quote from: Capt00 on January 21, 2020, 05:03:37 AM

All gamblers have different reasons why they gamble and that includes having fun and getting easy money. Some even use gambling as their way to relieve stress, it depends on who is gambling. Whatever the reason of gambling it is very important one must have self control to avoid addiction and to avoid losing everything you have in life.

the easy way is?never gambling if you have no money to risk,because once you played that means all the amount on your hands will be willingly lose since that is the reality in gambling only 10-30% can succeed and the rest will sure losing.

i have known gambling all my life because i grew up in place where people use gambling as way of living and not for fun ,that is why i know every scenario in gambling places,and also lucky that wayback Online gambling is not available in my place because if does?maybe most of the gamblers there will lose all their living because this is very addicting.not like in past that we need to wait for another players to arrive to start gambling not like in Online when we can play instantly as long as we have deposit amount in sites.

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Quote from: Capt00 on January 21, 2020, 05:03:37 AM

All gamblers have different reasons why they gamble and that includes having fun and getting easy money. Some even use gambling as their way to relieve stress, it depends on who is gambling. Whatever the reason of gambling it is very important one must have self control to avoid addiction and to avoid losing everything you have in life.

It depends on who is gambling.
It depends on the mood of the gambler.
It also depends on whether the gambler is on his own or with his friends.
It depends on how much the gambler is carrying.
It also depends on how much time he has.

These are all factors. There are more of them in fact.

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All gamblers have different reasons why they gamble and that includes having fun and getting easy money. Some even use gambling as their way to relieve stress, it depends on who is gambling. Whatever the reason of gambling it is very important one must have self control to avoid addiction and to avoid losing everything you have in life.

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Quote from: DaftAjax on January 20, 2020, 11:16:42 AM

Quote from: deisik on January 19, 2020, 02:45:05 AM

It works in the way described above. With gambling, you at first intentionally work yourself up (before the bet) and then quiet down (after the bet). It is this cycle that makes gambling so attractive because we are wired that way to feel alive. We need both stress and stress relief at the end of the day

Well, if you think about it. Always winning is indeed pretty boring, it's very satisfying for sure. But after that you'll crave a challenge, that's why on your next bet you sometimes wager more.

I am not sure if you can always winning because that will not be possible in gambling. But if you can get your luck every time you gamble, then the winning will be yours. That will need big money to spend to expecting the winning, and that will not work with people who only have little money. So in the next bet, you need to think about not to use bigger money to gamble.

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Quote from: deisik on January 10, 2020, 04:16:41 PM

What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

Enjoyment or amusement are just reasons to continue gambling but definitely not the purpose of gambling. If there are no possibility of winning big out of gambling, I guess there would have been no such industry to be existing like how we are having today. Yes, no one might be risking their money only for the reason of enjoyment but they might be spending those money to wild trekking and any other possible thrilling things and gambling industry might have bitten the dust.

Hope of winning big is the only difference between a common viewer and a bettor while watching a sport event; they both enjoy the game but who feels the most trills? When you are playing yourself and getting and making all those thrills means? This is what happening exactly while we are gambling.

There are lots of thrills and hopes are inside behind every game and we cannot ignore they are the only force which are driving the entire gambling industry; by gambling industry I mean the entire space which include both gamblers and houses.

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Quote from: deisik on January 19, 2020, 02:45:05 AM

I mean, if you are looking at gambling as an opportunity to "get rich fast", you obviously won't think of it as a form of entertainment. It will be more like a job to you, so you won't feel so much joy and fun. And even if you earn something in the process (which is a big if but still), you will feel something more like satisfaction, the kind of feeling you experience after you have finished some hard job with a meaningful result

Agreed.

Gambling is broad, or should I say it has many categories. If I were to make it a job, it doesn't make sense to be serious on a dice, a slot machine, especially a lottery. Though given the odds, it will surely make me more money but I'd rather wager on something that I could assure victory--poker for example (well, most professional gambling involves cards).

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As I see it now, the point of gambling (as in gambling per se and not some kind of an odd or even regular job) is in fact to give you some stress at first, and then provide an experience of relief from that stress. If you win, then you will feel that relief. If you lose, it again depends on your overall attitude as the loss could actually bring you even more stress. And then you start chasing losses and get into the stress spiral

In short, it's a roller coaster ride. Hmm. Not bad I think. Personally I wouldn't really enjoy something like this. But hey it's just me, to each their own.

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It works in the way described above. With gambling, you at first intentionally work yourself up (before the bet) and then quiet down (after the bet). It is this cycle that makes gambling so attractive because we are wired that way to feel alive. We need both stress and stress relief at the end of the day

Well, if you think about it. Always winning is indeed pretty boring, it's very satisfying for sure. But after that you'll crave a challenge, that's why on your next bet you sometimes wager more.

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on January 20, 2020, 03:47:44 AM

I think that you've described it perfectly - to get that momentary hit of dopamine.

It's obvious that people do it for financial reasons as well, but at the end of the day, that is not what most people look for (unless you're one of the people who see gambling as a means to recover losses from elsewhere, like trading). Especially lurkers on dice sites, they're obviously not influenced much by finances.

Honestly, in the more extreme cases, it is a pure, unadulterated addiction to chemicals produced in your brain - that is all.

I think they need a way to release their addiction (if they have) and come to the professional that can help them to cure that addiction. We don't need to think that gambling is a way to recover losses from elsewhere. What we need is to enjoy the game, spend some money, quit gambling. If we can do that, we never have a problem with gambling, and even we will enjoy the game, and maybe we can also release the stress by playing gambling in the limit time.

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Quote from: deisik on January 10, 2020, 04:16:41 PM

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling or there are many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

I think that you've described it perfectly - to get that momentary hit of dopamine.

It's obvious that people do it for financial reasons as well, but at the end of the day, that is not what most people look for (unless you're one of the people who see gambling as a means to recover losses from elsewhere, like trading). Especially lurkers on dice sites, they're obviously not influenced much by finances.

Honestly, in the more extreme cases, it is a pure, unadulterated addiction to chemicals produced in your brain - that is all.

Gambling is more like chemicals that could intoxicate our brains? Well on this opinion mate, I guess the raging toxicity is with the emotional management of a person. There's nothing to do with addiction, and if people happened to be someone like those addicted persom, I think he needs a rehabilitation to control thing over and out.

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Quote from: deisik on January 20, 2020, 04:45:16 AM

Okay guys, we seem to have reached a sort of consensus here

And the consensus so far is that gambling in not about stress on its own, but it is not about the relief of stress per se either. People may feel inclined to gamble when they feel bored (which appears to be a common thing anyway), so we can easily reach a conclusion that they want and seek that proverbial adrenaline rush in this activity

perfect term to use 'Adrenaline rush" or mood swinger because we mostly find time to play gambling when we are bored or kind of not feeling well (but of course some plays when they are over joyed)

Quote from: deisik on January 20, 2020, 04:45:16 AM

But this conclusion is incomplete as it is only partially true. An adrenaline rush without being followed by a dopamine hit (as the fellow member suggested) will only add to stress (which is the case when we start chasing losses). So, apart from stress, we also need to be relieved of that stress later that would make us feel relaxed and happy

well it depends on how you accept the outcome of your action because someone when they enjoyed the game they dont care about anything but the feeling of triumphant even though they don't really win.

Quote from: deisik on January 20, 2020, 04:45:16 AM

And that's the main idea behind gambling done right (unless you see gambling as a job and a source of easy money). A level of stress we are longing for when we start gambling should be balanced out by the matching level of stress relief when we quit gambling. It is this fine balance that makes gambling actually enjoyable and fun

there might be others that treat this as easy money way of earning(and they are getting success but only few than losers).

actually stress in losing must not be part of this gaming,because if does?then surely addiction will follow because we will chase losses again and again.

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Okay guys, we seem to have reached a sort of consensus here

And the consensus so far is that gambling in not about stress on its own, but it is not about the relief of stress per se either. People may feel inclined to gamble when they feel bored (which appears to be a common thing anyway), so we can easily reach a conclusion that they want and seek that proverbial adrenaline rush in this activity

But this conclusion is incomplete as it is only partially true. An adrenaline rush without being followed by a dopamine hit (as the fellow member suggested) will only add to stress (which is the case when we start chasing losses). So, apart from stress, we also need to be relieved of that stress later that would make us feel relaxed and happy

And that's the main idea behind gambling done right (unless you see gambling as a job and a source of easy money). A level of stress we are longing for when we start gambling should be balanced out by the matching level of stress relief when we quit gambling. It is this fine balance that makes gambling actually enjoyable and fun

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Quote from: deisik on January 10, 2020, 04:16:41 PM

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling or there are many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

I think that you've described it perfectly - to get that momentary hit of dopamine.

It's obvious that people do it for financial reasons as well, but at the end of the day, that is not what most people look for (unless you're one of the people who see gambling as a means to recover losses from elsewhere, like trading). Especially lurkers on dice sites, they're obviously not influenced much by finances.

Honestly, in the more extreme cases, it is a pure, unadulterated addiction to chemicals produced in your brain - that is all.

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I highly think that gambling is quite more scary than trying other things out. If you aren't totally into the world of gambling and you wish to try it some times for a profit, it is quite easier to apply for a job, than to spend money in gambling knowing that you aren't gonna win in a 100 percent chance. Though, there are people who still play because they are brave enough to accept losses in return of the chance to win allot which is the primary reason why it is addictive.

It will help you a lot once you learn how to gamble, it is for enjoyment and also to create money. But I am not recommending gamble to be taken as a full time job, you may only do it if you dont have any work that is needed to be done. To avoid too much losses better not to gamble when you are tired and sad it will higher the risk of losing too much.

I agree that gambling is the scariest thing that the other things. You will not lose your money but also lose everything that you have. Maybe you already see some real examples from the other people around you that are always playing gambling. They become addicting, and they lose so much money, they lose their families too.

We need to think that playing gambling is only part of our life, and we don't have to play every day or for a long time. But you can also avoid playing gambling if you think that gambling can make you lose the money and you become addicting because playing gambling or not, that will depend on you.

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