Topic: What's up with Covid and Bitcoiners? (Read 556 times)

There can be a long debate on this, but in precise words, all have their own opinion and thinking about anything, and we cannot force anyone to change their views on our thoughts and willingness. However, keep yourself vigilant with the requirements and need of time.

That's nanotechnology at work.

Ticking slow, very slow. What will it be when its finished?
https://sensereceptornews.com/?p=13907

For the US...

But, is Bitcoin like this? Somebody invented a real Bitcoin physical coin. Government talked him into stopping production. So, he stopped, without fighting to court, even.

But he didn't have to stop. All he had to do, and all Bitcoin people have to do, is fork Bitcoin so that there is the proper Private Membership Association (PMA) statement right inside the fork client/core, and inside any bitcoin coins that are made from it.

What will this do? It will take it out of government regulation, because it is private. Every transaction is a private transaction. Government may try to regulate, but based on the Constitution, Amendments 1, 4 and 5 (and others), and 70+ Supreme Court cases, private is still private, even from government.

Consider the Contract Clause in the Constitution. I have bolded the parts that we are interested in:: State, above, also means the United States.

If the fork is written up as a contract between the people who use the Bitcoin addresses, the whole thing is taken right out of the authority of government to regulate it. In fact, the reason why government hasn't regulated Bitcoin and the altcoins to be gone already, is because cryptocurrencies ARE private contracts, but without the contract wording written within them. Simply add the literal contract wording to the clients/cores, and they won't regulatable by the SEC any longer. Why? Because they are private contracts between the people.

This gene therapy (not really a vaccine, there is no virus inside) is a time-ticking bomb...

That's natural, because that's a form of their concern about COVID-19 or vaccines.
because this vaccine strikes suddenly, in an instant the world is shaken,
So it's not surprising that people panic or worry about vaccines, because they are afraid that things they don't want will happen.

No. That's why people protest, even though I've always wondered about the effectiveness of protesting overtime. Anyway, when things you don't approve of or don't like happen, you react. Sounds natural.

But, why is this not tyranny and China with sealed frontdoors is? In both cases, they essentially dictate the way you're living. That's what's happening with energy usage, and they portrait it like something good and ethical.

What's more communist than "Welcome to 2030, you have nothing, no privacy and life and has never been better"? This isn't told by some DerGigi-like "conspiracy quacks". It's tweeted by the folks who rule about the entire European Union as we speak?

I'm eagerly trying to comprehend these statistics, but due to my complete irrelevance to virology and inability to make any conclusion, I don't and can't have an opinion. Plus, some doctors make these assertions, other doctors make other assertions, I honestly don't know what to believe.

Yes, I haven't seen him making posts about vaccine's effectiveness as well but my point was since he's making accusations about restrictions being too much, the vaccine being pushed too much, he's commenting on the assumption, that Corona would be "just a flu" and that restrictions / vaccinations wouldn't be beneficial.
That's why I said:



Of course, governments will launch a campaign to recommend vaccination because studies have shown it's beneficial.
Today, almost no restrictions are in place anymore in Germany, infections numbers are 20 times (!) higher than last summer and still only few restrictions like mask and test in hospitals to protect vulnerable groups, so I can't see "Agenda or tyranny".
There are misguided politicians yes, but as NotAThether said: politicians are very different on various issues. A society where you will agree to everything doesn't exist. And even when it's your neighbour doing bullshit and you don't agree with. 

If you are talking for China: yes, it's a different thing in China and we could describe it as "tyranny" indeed in China, when people's frontdoors are sealed by the CCP. And many more but things are very different between China and Japan, China and EU, China and US or China and (take whatever coutry you like (except North Korea)). 

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That's true, we should always discuss it what to do. Look, I'm a friend of a good steak and the greens / environmentalists want to reduce meat consumption to prevent climate change. 
Of course I'm not amused but meat production is causing lots of emissions. Of course, reducing meat production isn't "tyranny", to. 
There are always (dis) agreements and uncomfortable decisions to be made, always has been but that doesn't mean that there's some broad agenda to bring China-like communism everywhere.

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Exactly, therefore people should look at peer reviewed studies, excess mortality from Corona and what's happening at hospitals, where Corona-infections are treated. Ask these with experience, not Bill Gates and not DerGigi. 

Just like Bill Gates, right? 

When did he get his medical degree? 

I haven't seen any post he makes regarding vaccines, would you mind sharing a link? I don't say a word for vaccine's effectiveness, because I don't have any evidence to support my statement. I don't care about that anyway, I assume it's effective as some virologists say. That doesn't change my attitude on how they've found their way to step on your freedom. The agenda exists. The tendency to tyranny is here, and gets worse day by day. Misrepresentation has happened. Civilians' segregation has happened.

Whether vaccines work or not (which I can't honestly understand, some doctors argue they don't), there was, and is, systemic propaganda. If you don't agree, I can cross-reference you to article I read recently, as an example, from government owned newspaper, that had the character I've said, that is representing the risk as solidarity duty, ignoring possible side effects such vaccine can have for the entire population[1], therefore hiding part of the reality, hereby faking news.

I have never once supported it isn't real. What I'm saying is: The changes it'll bring are political, and that's why I don't bite most of the solutions they've proposed[2].

cryptosize knows best. When he's talking about these I was trying to figure out how bitcoin works. 

[1] https://www.constitutionalism.gr/to-kathikon-tou-emvoliasmou/
[2] Relevant link for Greek readers: https://theindependentresearchers.wordpress.com/2022/05/27/natural-assets/

And that’s DerGigi's big problem. DerGigi's statements are done without any background knowledge of the actual issue, he’s commenting on.
The Anti-Vaxxers have one thing in common: they are talking a lot and very loud, but they are usually from a different profession or coming from different branches of medicine, like Bodo Schiffman from Germany, he’s specialist for dizziness attacks. DerGigi isn’t even involved in health issues...

So, how can he say that Covid19 is just an overhyped flu when he hasn’t done any studied research or isn’t capable of reviewing studies? His statements are based on the wrong ground, therefore he’s advocating that restrictions are "dictatorship" when he’s saying, Corona would be just a normal flu. Heck, obviously he doesn’t even look at the excess mortality we had in Europe, when Covid hit us in March / April 2020.
He’s saying that vaccines don’t work and therefore everything saying otherwise is "systemic propaganda" for him. But he can’t review even the basic medical studies because he’s a Bitcoiner.  DerGigi is caught in his conspiracy bubble.

= He can’t judge the outcome properly (measures to prevent Corona / vaccinations), when his basic assumptions are wrong already because he’s not capable to do the appropriate research. And that’s why DerGigi's conclusion ("the whole systemic propaganda that was launched and that had a terrorist character" as you said) is completely wrong.
Of course, if the government doesn’t act against Corona, the conspiracy nuts will come up and say "the government is going to kill us all, Bill Gates has advocated for the reduction of the world population in the past, it‘s his Agenda and Klaus Schwaab agrees".

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I’m with you that a single country can’t prevent climate change alone.
But we have to admit that human made climate change is real and the consequences will hit everyone very hard. Maybe not right now, but 20, 50 and 100 years ahead will get very difficult.
Since you are from Greece, you should have noticed the severe drought in France / Germany / Italy right now? There are statistics and there’s no doubt that climate change is happening. And it’s getting worse.
But it’s real and not some random "invention by Klaus Schwab" same as Corona is not "just a flu" like DerGigi claims it is.
It might be a bit different with Omikron right now as it was expected by experts, that the disease will become endemic and less harmful over time. It could still take some more years, which is especially risky for elderly people.
And no, I’m not a grandpa, I’m in my 20s and I’m not part of the risk group. But the numbers are there, we can’t deny it and just because some people on Twitter or BitChute with no special knowledge say "it’s just a flu" or "vaccines are „death jabs“", that doesn’t change the fact that Corona shouldn’t be underestimated and we should take appropriate measures against it.
Similar to climate change.

In Germany, the green party suggested a speed limit recently. The conspiracy nuts are saying, that will endanger our freedom.
Honestly, a speed limit will not endanger our freedom and wearing a mask doesn’t endanger our freedom as well. Wearing a seatbelt is also not a danger to our freedom.
But the other thing: is a speed limit really effective to against climate change? In my opinion, that’s not achieving much. But it’s also not harmful for our freedom. 

But of course, conspiracy nuts will come up with a special story again and say otherwise.
For our current drought they are also coming up with interesting stories. 

If you think it's a conspiracy theory (which I presume is what you think with the "InfoWars" reference), let me tell you that they (the aristocrats at WEF) call it an agenda themselves:

No room to question that part.

What else don't you agree with? That they want absolute surveillance? That they want to reduce energy usage? That, during the pandemic, they misrepresented everything? That there was systemic cunning propaganda? The Standford prison and Milgram experiments comparison? That civilians were segregated according to their obedience (and who'll soon be even more separated with social credit scores)? That there's an elite group that rules politicians? Pick something from the garbage can. 

The whole agenda thing. Politicans are not exactly known for agreeing with each other (let alone cooperating).

It just makes InfoWars alarm bells go off in my head.

I hate to say it, but USSR (you probably lived there) never truly died.

It just moved to Europe, aka EUSSR. Same bureaucracy, same overregulation, same BS in general.

Don't believe it? I didn't want to believe it either, I'm not a masochist.

Just wait until 2025 and you'll see even more clear signs...

By 2030 we will see the endgame and it won't be pretty at all.

Which part do you deny exactly? That we're experiencing bureaucratic dictatorship? That things will get worse? That there's such agenda?

Honest question. You don't actually believe all that garbage, do you? At least that's what I see it as (as somebody who has lived in an actual totalarian system, as opposed to what people think is one).

I'm a little late to the party, but I finally get it now.

He actually doesn't. I've never seen him talking about the vaccine's efficiency, which is what a virologist should be doing. What he does do is analyze certain distortions that were proved they played a key role in the world of health, the legal consequences of mandatory vaccination, and generally the whole systemic propaganda that was launched and that had a terrorist character.

In Covid-19, just like in climate change now, it was demonstrated that in order to encounter the pandemic, draconian moderation must be justified, which is a common phenomenon in totalitarian regimes. Not only that, but the governments (which appear to be ruled like puppets from another group of modern-aristocrats) misrepresented reality; threat became incentive, punishment became paternalistic protection, deathly risk became solidarity duty.

And it makes sense now, because, incidentally, that's what the elitists' agenda is all about: https://nitter.it/wef/status/808328302213689344.

• Have less money --> Be happy with less money.
• Have less energy --> Be rewarded for using less energy.
• Have no privacy --> Get yourself some credit points.

And the agenda is indissolubly linked with the pandemic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset. They said it themselves that it's a response to it. Covid-19 must have been a meat and drink for what's about to begin, no doubt. Conformists have risen in scale, and any dissident's opinion is denied without question.

Interest appears to provoke the Milgram experiment, as certainly the Standford prison experiment, both of whose techniques were used during the pandemic, in order for the participants to follow the instructions. However, instead of prisoners there were citizens, and instead of guards, there was the government. Exceptionally, conformist prisoners helped the dissidents, opposed to conformist citizens of 2020.

Flawed comparison. Abortions aren't infectious. But, sure. "My body, my choice" applies in both cases.

So why do the fearmongers want me to believe it? What do they gain if I do the vaccine?

Don't they already have this benefit from the overwhelming majority? A few companies (Meta, Google, Apple, Amazon etc.) do personal data harvesting in a disgusting manner. People already pay to have spying devices inside their home. They reveal more than what's desirable for a big brother. Will there be significant difference with just a Covid app?

Dead wrong IMO.  Most strategies involve probabilities.  If you have made an accurate assessment of the risks of genuine injury from the covaids and base your strategy on that, you could still die from it and have made a rational decision.

Is it a 'mistake' to wear a harness when climbing an antenna tower just because you didn't happen to slip and fall?

One of the elements of the coviads scamdemic is that reliable data about many many aspects of the thing needed to make rational decisions is unavailable.  In many cases, although the data is utterly fundamental and relatively easy to precisely estimate (e.g., background infection rate), it has been diligently NOT obtained.  This is very deliberate because it allows the 'authorities' to say 'We know of no indications of blah, blah, blah.' and they use this as legal justification to perpetuate the fraud.

Tests are also lagging, questionable in validity, and used in a highly fraudulent way.  Again, by strategic design.  You may indeed have antibodies.  As a matter of fact, a fair percentage of the global population had pre-existing antibodies and other immune system defenses and couldn't catch SARS-cov-2 even if they tried.  This likely because of run-ins with previous coronavirus (which is one of the types of virus which commonly cause the seasonal common cold.)

Seasonal infectious ailment, and particularly respiratory ones, act as a booster in human populations making it so that most people don't catch every in a symptomatic form at all, and most who do get a mild case which is gone in a few days.  Millions of years of evolution have tuned human's immune systems for this to be the common case.  To the degree that masks, social distancing, and especially applying evolutionary pressures to a pathogen by 'vaccination' work at all, these protocols are likely to fuck the ecology up completely and lead to significant problems. 

The best defense is to, as much as possible, live like a normal human with traditionally normal interactions, and try to keep your immune system healthy.  If a genuinely problematic epidemic is in town, then maybe do take some extraordinary precautions.  DON'T listen to the 'public health' authorities and the 'doctors' who are in their echo-chamber and on the industry dole.  At the top of their pyramid the decision makers probably do understand the ecological science behind what's going on and the WANT sick and dead people.  The peons (including most doctors) below them mostly do not.  All they know is that the system gives them a somewhat better standard of living than most people, and intuitively they know that they don't want to lose these perks.  Beyond that they don't seem to care much about anything, and certainly not about science.

If you live in civilized society you've probably already gotten the virus and not even known about it. The newer variants are mild anyways

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Those that still believe the vaccine is effective against new variants, I'd point you to this chart: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/nz

There are more cases and deaths associated with COVID-19 in New Zealand with a 95% vaccinated population over the last 7 months than there were in 2020 and 2021 combined. The vaccines that were once effective, are no longer effective.

The CDC is now recommending that anyone older than 6 months get vaccinated: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/children-teens.html

Based on what evidence?