Topic: What's up with Covid and Bitcoiners? - page 2. (Read 616 times)

Bitcoiners have a motto: "don't trust, verify". Bitcoiners are also usually libertarians (they don't like everything being dictated by Feds/EU Commissars), not socialists/statists. BTC is not controlled by a government, but that doesn't mean it's apolitical. It tends to attract a certain target group (with very few exceptions).

We do know that almost 100% of patients in ICUs currently are vaccinated (whether they have 1, 2, 3, 4 doses). We already have an increased number of deaths (+30%), despite having 85% of the population vaccinated vs 0% vaccinations 2 years ago. Critical thinking has gone out the window.

Feminists have another motto: "my body, my choice".

You don't see many people saying "oh, the pension system needs more workers to pay taxes, therefore women should never have an abortion".

So, if women are allowed to control their body, I'd say "my body, my choice" also applies to COVID/experimental vaccines. Sounds fair to me.

Imagine an employer forcing a woman to have sex with him, otherwise she would be fired. Just imagine the #MeToo reactions/cancelling.

Hey girl, nobody forces you to have sex with him! You're always "free" to quit your job. "Freedom/Democracy", fuck yeah! Gotta love this (hypocritical) logic.

Sounds familiar? Because in some countries you do lose your job if you're not jabbed against COVID...

TL;DR: hypocrisy/double standards at its finest

This is a huge topic to be analyzed on a forum, but keep in mind that COVID (a disease with 0.2% IFR, while the Black Death had 30% IFR) has been weaponized to serve the Great Reset agenda.

Yes, COVID exists and is potentially deadly (especially if you're fat, diabetic or 80 years old), but not that deadly (if you're young and/or healthy) as the fearmongers want you to believe.

Always remember that you can control people with 2 powerful emotions: fear (exaggerated mortality) & guilt complex (oh noes, you're gonna kill the grandpa/grandma, shaaaaaame on you!).

COVID is Episode 1 of Great Reset. The Ukraine/Russia war (that's also being weaponized to increase food/fuel prices) is Episode 2.

Climate change/green energy transition will be Episode 3 (potentially starting in 2024-2025, when the war ends). Inflation will go through the roof with this one, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Regarding people wearing masks, even though they're alone outside with no human beings in sight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments

Mass psychosis is real: https://21stcenturywire.com/2021/08/07/is-mass-psychosis-the-greatest-threat-to-humanity/

Even Dutch farmers protesting against the anti-meat agenda should tell you where the elites are going with this... red meat = minus points in your social credit score (thanks to Greta's mass psychosis), soy "meat" = plus points in your social credit score.

The COVID PASS app will integrate everything (your ID, passport, driving licence, medical history and CBDC+UBI+social credit score).

That's their endgame, they want to control how/where you spend your money, what you eat, where/how much you travel/drive and lots more.

COVID exists as I said, but it's merely an excuse to impose a totalitarian agenda:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timbajarin/2020/05/27/will-covid-19-kill-cash-as-we-know-it/

Use your brain/critical thinking skills and verify everything the elites say when they pretend to "care" about your wellbeing. Nobody cares for you more than you do!

One thing's for sure: BTC is not just about becoming more rich. Everyone comes for that, I get it, but it offers so much more.

Like for example enlightening you about economics/politics (Austrian school vs Keynes)... Keynesians want the state to have absolute control for "safety" reasons, which contradicts BTC's libertarian principles.

BTC is not just a boring piece of code/applied math, it's something more than that. Either you understand that, or you don't.

My advice is to not trust 99% of the stuff that comes from WEF and its puppets:

https://survivingtomorrow.org/you-will-own-nothing-and-be-happy-is-just-feudalism-2-0-ee15cefa9f1b
https://assets.weforum.org/editor/rrhGJo8kU-KjIsRiXF5pJTBEzAF96_pIfPiQVLCxGM4.jpeg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFjmigOXMAcrYmh?format=jpg&name=900x900

Biden, Macron, Trudeau, Ursula, Lagarde, Mitsotakis, Ida Auken, Bourla (didn't wanna get a shot with laughable excuses), they're all part of the same globalist gang. They don't give a shit about you. They're not part of your tribe, but they pretend to be! Don't trust them.

Only a moron wouldn't understand that something fishy is going on since 2020:

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjf0uFZBjU&t=75s

There's tons of stuff I could also mention, but that's enough for now. PlanB has posted many relevant tweets. Do your own research.

You've studied the same materials and you've accepted the same data. Making decisions on global scale via data analysis that does not account for the majority of the population nor any long term consequences.

By "We", I refer to all people have the ability to do their own research and all people have intuition they should use.
I now add everyone is unique.

I agree things require research. No need to push an [experimental] vaccine on everyone when not enough research has been done.

You deem safe by unfairly using the credibility of traditional vaccines [not the same as mRNA] combined with analysis of the aforementioned incomplete data.

I haven't been vaccinated against covid-19, but I don't consider myself an moron. Not being vaccinated is my own deliberate decision - in this massive medical experiment, I chose to participate as an unvaccinated control group. 2.5 years after the start of the pandemic, I am still alive and well, although the level of antibodies in my blood is zero. I do not make loud statements about the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of covid-19 vaccines, but my personal strategy for living without a covid-19 vaccine right now in practice is showing its viability and effectiveness - and you cannot refute this with any reference to scientific evidence. If I get covid-19 and need hospitalization - I admit that my strategy didn't work, but not before.

I don't know how many times you guys are going to construct the same strawman, but it's getting boring. I don't follow any "leader" or pharmaceutical company, nor do the majority of my peers. We evaluate the evidence and reach our own conclusions. The fact that we all reach the same conclusion should tell you something.

No, you (plural) don't. Take the endless nonsensical arguments that anti-vaxxers such as BADecker and tvbcof have presented on this board. I present peer reviewed literature, randomized control trials, meta-analyses, Cochrane reviews, etc. They present BitChute videos, conspiracy vlogs, and biased media clippings. They do not see the disconnect. They honestly believe that these things constitute "evidence" and "research".

Not only can anti-vaxxers not "do their own research", but they don't even know what research is.

I've spoken about this before:

I've also said this before:

It is not an insult to say "You are unable to evaluate scientific evidence." It is a skill which requires teaching and practice, and a skill which most people will never require. The problem arises when people without this skill try to make claims and hold court on things they don't even begin to understand.

Bitcoiners like people in every society have different opinions and arguments for it. But sometimes both sides is looking ridiculous. Anti-vaxxers who blondly believe in stupid conspiracy theories, sharing videos of random wannabe doctors and so on. And vaxxers who wear masks walking in the streets or in their alone and who would like to forces everyone to get vaccinated and take every possible booster.
I have my views and it's more or less neutral. I'm vaccinated, but I don't support mandatory vaccination. For me it's crazy that people weren't allowed to live normal life without taking vaccine. Many lost jobs just because of it, weren't allowed into shops, restaurants. It's crazy how much vaccine passports divided people. And even politicians in public said that this measure wasn't made to protect people, but simply to force them to take vaccine.
I'm not against vaccines, but I think that it should be everyone's choice without forcing. For example, I'm still young without any health issues, so, covid wouldn't be big issue for me without vaccination. When I got infected, I wouldn't had even noticed it without testing. But I hat to take vaccine to get covid passport.
Boosters, most pointless thing. What's the point of booster when it barely protects from new variants? Even if protect, only for very short time. And when these new variants itself isn't that dangerous. And at one point government in my country decided that you have to take booster even if you have more than enough antibodies.
Lockdowns, I never supported it. Maybe only during first wave it was more or less needed to understand who is who. But in long term, lockdowns doesn't work. China example shows it very well.
Masks, I hate it, but probably at one point when there were no vaccines, it was needed inside or in public transport, I understand it. But when there was requirement to wear masks while walking in streets, it was most pointless and ridiculous covide related decision.
And last, people are sceptical about things said about covid by governments and politicians when they're often corrupted, lied so many times and don't keep what they promised before election.
Sorry for long rant

Touché  But the link was for you, I was merely trying to respond to your plea for one of your coveted professionals.
If you want to argue with the guy his contact info. is there.

But post the discussion! I realize you won't get paid-per-message to him, but maybe it'll be worth it in the long run.  

There are plenty in the medical field who have concerns. And yes there are plenty more of your type who want to follow their leaders and dismiss others as morons, FAIAP, I'd call a good majority of them sheeple.

What makes someone a moron is not having the ability to recognize that being a doctor doesn't make you smart either, it means you've studied certain books and information, ad nauseam, until you can memorize and repeat it properly.

We all have the ability to think for ourselves and do our own research, and we all have intuition.

I've done my research, I have my experiences, but I didn't keep a collection of links for you and hard-proof all of my real life experiences that have led me to where I am today. The post would be way too long.

Or perhaps every serious piece of vaccine research all arrive at the same conclusion?

I am eager to read any scientific work which challenges or contradicts my views. That is the only way in which we learn, in which progress is made. What I am not eager to read is baseless speculation or opinions. Show me the evidence.

Lol. Just lol.

What you have linked is not research. It is an educated opinion piece. He obviously gives a very good breakdown of the potential mechanisms involved, but at no point does he present any evidence or data that retroposition occurs with the COVID vaccine. He even states "Here, I discuss the pervasive claim that mRNA-based vaccines cannot alter genomes."

Here are some actual studies which performed actual research, and concluded the opposite to the opinion piece you linked:
Chen YS, Lu S, Zhang B, et al. Comprehensive analysis of RNA-seq and whole genome sequencing data reveals no evidence for SARS-CoV-2 integrating into host genome. Protein Cell 2022 May; 13(5): 379-385.
Smits N, Rasmussen J, Bodea GO, et al. No evidence of human genome integration of SARS-CoV-2 found by long-read DNA sequencing. Cell Rep. 2021 Aug; 36(7): 109530.

I don't think that were the important messages, but more of don't blindly trust government (and the scientists), and don't let them take your freedom.
Quarantine, mandatory vaccination, and vaccine passport are all infringing people's freedom.

Well, about tyranny, I'd say it's centrally planned, just like in economics. In economics, it's well documented that government interventions actually make everything worse than letting the market regulate itself. Human has been self-regulate and cope very well with viruses up to COVID. Why now does everything change so suddenly and the government thinks their interventions are better than letting the society self-regulate? It's beyond me. These smartasses are trying to tweak the unknown, and pretend they know the final results.

I believe that you only accept your opinion and the opinion of those who think like you, and that you will not take into account any scientific work that is not in accordance with your beliefs. Considering that you Americans have a very low opinion of other less valuable nations, I don't know if you will consider the research of a scientist who did not graduate from a prestigious US university. Pfizer has taken over his research and as far as I know, has not bothered to comment anything until today.

https://www.irb.hr/Zavodi/Zavod-za-molekularnu-biologiju/Laboratorij-za-evolucijsku-genetiku-LEG/Zaposlenici/Tomislav-Domazet-Loso
https://www.mdpi.com/2073-4425/13/5/719/htm

Humans don't do so well when they feel there human rights are being restricted, even un the phase of impending danger but, how could the government do any better with the danger that loomed in the air and every citizen remains an asset to the government worth protecting.

The Covid-19 pandemic situation became a had to take and believe situation for most due to the fact that, most of the death tolls and infections weren't those that we often see around us but are often heard on the news although, the measures that arose to keep citizens safe were clearly seen in our very environments. This made it a had to believe and how she of these policies that ensures safety where slacken when it came to some issues of government interest like we could see during the rallies and polls in elections.

Unfortunately, these are all that were given attention and individuals failed to see the strive by the government to reduce production by withholding workers at home and other activities that could generate funds which could pose adverse effect to the economy, coupled with the many grants and palliatives that where given in the hit of the pandemic.

People will really believe what they want to believe and you can't really hold them from that but in all you do, stay safe as some things aren't worth experiencing before accepting to be true!

Firstly, near enough every vaccine scientist in the world was working on the same problem. Secondly, vaccine trials involve giving some people the vaccine, giving a control group a placebo, and then waiting. It is not ethical to deliberately expose people to a disease, so we have to wait. In the case of most diseases, it takes years to be sure there has been enough exposure to the disease in both groups to reveal a difference. In the case of global pandemic, the same exposure can be reached in months or even weeks.

I don't accept opinions. Show me some evidence. I've asked anti-vaxxers on this board countless times for a single shred of evidence; they always respond with nothing.

Predictably you didn't object to any specific thing I said.  Just snipped it and brought up something I didn't say.

Things have played out with the so-called 'vaccine' pretty much exactly as I predicted (wouldn't work for shit as a vaccine and would cause a lot of injuries and death) and pretty much exactly the opposite of what you vax-pumpers promised.  People are dying in droves and the excuses are well into total-ass-clown mode, yet you keep going with the same old fraud like the energizer bunny.

A man who works in the medical profession defends the indefensible, so how is it possible that in less than 1 year a vaccine can be invented, tested, produced and declared safe if any other drug requires at least 5 years of clinical research? I'm not talking about vaccines in general, but about specific vaccines that are released to the general population without serious clinical research being conducted on them.


That's the problem of you and others like you, you don't accept anything that doesn't work in your favor, regardless of who it is and how good the research is. Never in history has there been so much ignoring of any criticism and questioning that comes from the other side - I'm not surprised that you use the term "morons", because more or less all governments and influential individuals use it to shame those who oppose their treatment as experimental rats.

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I'm also not against vaccinations, but only with vaccines that have been tested according to medical standards and can be considered safe. When you see how far they were ready to go in restricting human freedoms, up to physical violence in certain parts of the world (especially Australia), then it is clear to you that illness alone cannot be the reason given the very low mortality rate. I didn't have to pay the state because I wasn't vaccinated, but they forbade me to enter all public institutions, and like our colleagues, they called me a moron at every possible opportunity, whether it was politicians, doctors or officials working in state/public institutions.

At the same time, sick people with covid passports are walking around and spreading the virus, which turned out to be a completely failed measure - but if you have a piece of paper on which it says that you received the vaccine, you are considered desirable in society, regardless of the fact that the vaccinated also transmit the virus to the same extent as unvaccinated.

Now who is blindly accepting anything that fits their narrative without any critical thought?

The first line of his musings (this is not a study, just an unreviewed letter) is this:
This post reads like a bingo card of all the stupidest things anti-vaxxers believe. The only thing you missed out is that the vaccines are actually 5G nanochips.

That's very crucial, I ought to say. To clarify, I'm not against vaccinations. I'm against mandatory vaccinations. I've taken 2 doses and had no problem. During the second quarantine (mid-2021), I observed some unconstitutional attitude from the government; the elders were forced to do the vaccine, otherwise they had to pay some hundreds of euros every month, which is when I started getting concerned.

Which brings me to this:
I don't care if some people believe masks/vaccines don't do good, blaming Bill Gates, 5G companies etc., but I can't ignore the fact that governments do have found their way to impose themselves with divide and conquer. In my country, there are now more those who've "given up" with this, and those who take the vaccine, wear a mask everywhere (inside & outside) and, more importantly, ignore any person who might question their actions. Before the Ukrainian war, TV news, internet articles, radio, newspapers etc., had scared the shit out of all citizens.

Don't you believe there was fearmongering? And how can a person who isn't a doctor verify all this scientific evidence?

As I see it, there is more than enough demonstrable and documented fraud to account for ALL of the (pre-injection) effects blamed on 'SARS-cov-2' and then some.

After the de-pop shot went into the arms the 'side' effects are just called 'covid' or 'long covid'.  Exactly as I predicted.  Now they are calling it 'SADS' and blaming 'climate change' and such because the peeps are simple enough to believe it.

That said, I believe it most likely that there is a coronavirus which expresses a somewhat carefully engineered so-called 'spike protein'.  Most likely the spike protein has been under development for quite a while.  Gluing it on to a coronavirus was mostly just a means of circulating it around to give some excuse for the genetic modifications to humans which cause their cells to produce said spike protein.  The so-called 'covid-19' that it probably did/does cause what was/is in some people a mild ailment that was not a threat to almost anyone, and especially those with a little bit of insider info...a somewhat connected friend of mine mentioned hydroxychloroquine (and a few other drugs) well before the '2-weeks to flatten the curve' when it was still available over-the-counter for malaria where I live, but I didn't get around to getting any at that time.  No mention of Ivermectin, and I wonder if that substance actually managed to catch the designers of the operation by surprise.

The ACE-2 receptor has been of interest to biological agents developers for some time because there is a wide variance in the prevalence of the receptor between races and ethnic groups.  Some nations have had a particular interest due to the presence of undesirable individuals on 'their' lands of interest.  Apartheid South Africa and Israel in particular, and the latter is not a signatory to the biological weapons convention treaty.  One of a tiny handful of states who are not in fact.  Anyway, the features engineered into the spike protein interact with ACE-2 receptors lending even more support to the supposition that it originated from biological weapons research.

The act of injecting people with the 'hurried new technology' which ends up making it impossible for the injected to develop immunity means that herd immunity will never be reached and the 'waves' will go on indefinitely.  The 'vaxxed' will be chronically re-infected with 'SARS-cov-2', and with a lot of other stuff which a properly functioning immune system would handle rather easily.  Herd immunity can only return when these damaged people die off.  The 'boosters' will help that process along.

Stop trying to get me to post the way you want me to, franky, I don't need your biased smerit!

You use merit as a way to guide the conversation how you want it?  My god, the bounty hunters are all going to be trained to posting a certain way that merit sources deem fit.

Incentivized group think, great. /s

Strange you say no threat to life, when most people I know took the vaccine specifically out of fear of death, because of all the media BS stating you would die or would kill others. They scare people to fear for their lives, then provide them a [bad] solution. A whack untested vaccine.

Maybe just listen to what Dr. Yamamoto has to say. We can at least verify his credentials.
oooleeeoeleo has the arrogance of a doctor, but strangely needs to spew posts on a forum to get paid from sig. campaign. Wutevs.

Wutevs.

Stop with the strawmen, please. I've never once blindly accepted anything that pharmaceutical companies claim. I'm evaluating the insurmountable mountain of evidence which shows that vaccines are one of the safest and most effective therapies in healthcare.

Anyone who believes some barely literate anti-vax conspiracy nut with absolutely no supporting evidence, data, studies, trials, meta-analyses, over the mountain of scientific evidence, hundreds of thousands of trials, and billions of data points, proving vaccines are safe and effective, is a moron. This applies equally to all walks of life. For example, anyone who believes that the Earth is flat in the face of the unequivocal evidence to the contrary is a moron. Anyone who rejects hard evidence without anything to support their opinion other than "This is what I think" is a moron.

Which brings us back to the original point of this thread. There are morons everywhere. The crypto world is no different.

I would call people who have such an opinion a name that I don't even want to write, because if you think that someone is a moron because he doesn't want to introduce something potentially dangerous into his body to protect himself from a disease that for the younger population (up to 50 years old) has a rate of mortality rate less than 1%, then that says enough about you. Critical thinking is what makes science relevant, not blind acceptance of what companies like Pfizer or Moderna claim.

Given that you are an American and that it is US companies that have amassed a fortune on vaccines, I am even less surprised by your attitude. If in 4-5 years those who have been vaccinated start to get sick from some other diseases, it will be a much worse pandemic than the one we have now.

I have never once supported mandatory vaccinations.

Anti-vaxxers are still morons.