Topic: What's up with Covid and Bitcoiners? - page 3. (Read 616 times)

Calling people who are against mandatory vaccination with experimental vaccine morons is just proof that people like you don't think for themselves and let others think for them. If I'm not mistaken, you are a doctor or you work in the medical profession, so you can better understand the research conducted on vaccines by independent experts who constantly warn about the possible harmful consequences of vaccination in the long term.

Covid 19 is a disease that has critical (fatal consequences) in less than 2% of cases, and mostly people over 65 who already have a chronic disease die. No one disputes that the disease exists, but compared to cancer, heart attack and stroke, it has an almost harmless mortality rate, especially for the younger population.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

You've answered your own question here. There are plenty of anti-vax morons and conspiracy quacks around. The cryptocurrency community is large enough that it will have roughly the same proportion of morons and quacks as the general population.

Being technically competent in one field does not preclude you from being a moron in another field. Being technically knowledgeable on bitcoin or cryptography does not make you a virologist or epidemiologist.

It's understandable that those types of people would spill over into the crypto space because, well, the space has grown and with that deversified (unlike my portfolio). The beef someone has with how covid handled is moslty nit waranted and is really a person to person account of the situation and not a unified sentiment. So it's definatelly not across the board in crypto and it's definatelly not the norm.

i was going to award you merit.. but then i read your next bits below

'force', 'tyrannical'? no one is forced. there was no swat team going door to door. there was no threat to life for not complying.
just the message about personal respect and space awareness of distancing from others to respect others got filtered out in media and twisted into cries of tyranny

and the below stuff just sounds like the tin foil script conspiracy stuff you normally see..

your first paragraph i thought you were aware of the media games, or selective editing and interviewing to cause confusion.. but then your next bits i quoted show you fell for their game by sounding exactly like the tin foil's they way to create.
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anyway addressing the main topic question
as for the connection to some bitcoiners.
well thats just the social structure of the anti-capitalist/liberal views people have of wanting to escape fiat. align with the tin foil hat paranoid idiots want to escape politicians

If someone is pro-Bitcoin, I don't see any particular reason why he/she should automatically be a supporter of vaccinations and all other measures that limit human rights and freedoms. I personally did not get vaccinated and got over the virus without any consequences, but I was never against people getting vaccinated if they wanted to - but I am absolutely against forcing people to get vaccinated so that they can enter a public institution or come to their working place.

People have different theories about the vaccine, but the fact is that it is still experimental and its long-term consequences are unknown, and that Covid-19 is a disease with a very low mortality rate compared to other diseases that take tens of millions of lives every year.


The measures that were implemented turned out to be completely unjustified, such as covid passports for those vaccinated and those who have recovered from the virus, because they could go anywhere and do anything based on a piece of paper that could not possibly be a guarantee that someone was healthy - and such people contributed the most to the spread of the virus. In addition, now that it's summer, there are no measures, as the virus continues to spread and mutate, and at the end of the summer, new measures and restrictions will begin. It is completely wrong to fight the virus only during autumn and winter, because the virus is there all the time.

What I want to say is that moderate measures should be in force all year round, instead of having lockdowns, forced vaccinations and dividing people into those who can live normally and those who become enemies of society during autumn and winter.

I'm guessing you mean 'SARS-cov-2 viral infection' because there is no such thing as a 'covid infection'.  Anyway, the various people I know personally who are labeled as having died of 'covid-19' died of no such thing.  Mostly they died of old-age like my mother-in-law who had called her family in to say her goodbyes months before going to the hospital.  Of course she was 'tested' when she got there and of course was 'positive' because the hospital gets a lot more money that way.

I know from second order relationships (family of my wife's friends and people from her home area) of about 15 people who died within days or weeks of getting the gene therapy injection (or in a few cases Sinovac which is advertised as using traditional technology.)  I'm estimating that most of these fatalities would have been labeled 'covid'.

I also know that the people I employ who were goaded into getting the jab in order to travel, get benefits, etc are working at no more than half-speed compared to when I first hired them, though it's not a for-sure thing that it's related to the depop shot and they do still recover from infections so their immune systems are not totally shot.  Yet.

I think Bitcoiners tend to have trust issues. As they should. Hard to trust the people in control of us because they've violated the trust so many times.

The correct approach would have been a consistent uniform message from leaders about sanitary procedures, washing hands, masks, etc. to contain the spread and not let it pass around our societies and mutate. I didn't see that. I saw a bunch of political games, half truths, crappy journalism, crappy data collection, and inconsistent messages from leaders and scientists around the world. This is not new stuff.

Forcing a vaccine and putting restrictions on events, work, etc. without your card is tyrannical bullshit, especially when it is driven by the aforementioned crap.

Anytime you get into forcing something on large populations, you're going down the tyranny slope. Especially with a new, not long term tested, vaccine technology.. a technology primarily supported by a dude and group involved in Gain of Function research. Ya, OK, go fuck yourself with your new vaccine.

Traffic lights and seatbelts don't require an injection.

People can handle some restrictions, even lockdowns, but they went way too far with COVID and continue to push. Be wary.

alot of the tin foil hat idiots shouting tyranny have never personally experienced war, nor seen death up close or personally seen real slavery.
they have NO CLUE what real tyranny is.

its not about a government "asking people". its about a CRUEL and harmful government

wearing a mask is not tyranny. much like societies request to wear underwear. its just a social respect for others that dont want to be impacted by idiots. perves and sickos

idiots dont learn what tyranny really is because they only experience the sanitised version. the cleaned up version. where its swayed by racial bias and then promoted on things like Fox news, with a smile.
"america great.. other country bad"

take the whole concept of thinking china are tyrants.
they have a 1.4bill population and a 1m 'detainee' camp..(0.07% per populus)
yet ratio/percentage.. america has more detainee's vs its population.
yet you dont hear about the numbers of american detainee's or the conditions they are put in.
funnily enough america think locking up a mexican is ok,splitting up meican familes is good. .. but locking up anyone fox news doesnt want locked up is bad. (if it suits the headline clickbait they want to bait people into)

idiots need to put things into prospective and truly look behind the headlines.

fox news presents china as tyrants by pretending the only currency in china is locked to a government surveillance system. yet it only takes going to a travel agent and asking to swap dollar for chinese currency and get handed paper bank notes. you soon realise no one is demanding birth certificates and a photo just to use chinese currency

real tyranny is not being asked to wear face masks. real tyranny is being a actual slave being actually beaten and whipped physically with blood and scars. beaten into submission. or killed (or at minimum threatened with it) if you dont obey.. where by you cannot change your slave master. there is no escape from their land.
(at a local scale or a national scale (slave master or countries leader))

people can leave china. they have planes.. they can apply for citizenship elsewhere. no one is threatening them with death.
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saying that masks are a tyrannical act is ignoring the actual things that threaten life, cause actual injury and death and restrict peoples lives completely for no reason but greed and power.

the masks and respect of personal space, is to reduce a virus that does kill from harming others that dont want to die due to disrespectful people that dont care about the other peoples health

america is just about as much a prison as china.
the funny part is america doesnt want people leaving america or coming into america. their "patriotic" mantra is their prison. yes america have planes too. but thats why if you take away the fox new racism of hating asia/middle east. you start to see the similarities of nations. media want to make americans scared of leaving america.
(unless its to a vacation resort owned by capitalist americans)

its things like making free healthcare sound like a negative.. because the prison wardens(capitalist politicians) dont want americans to want the same free choices and things as other countries.
here in the UK. we can change our GP(family doctor) we can go to any hospital. we do not need to check if certain hospital or doctor is on a certain health plan. we dont have to worry if certain procedures are covered by certain plans. we dont even have to worry about if an ambulance is going to charge us.

there are silly things americans are ignorant of. like wanting citizens to be able to wave a gun, but also wanting an american police officer to kill anyone waving a gun.

i do laugh when there are articles headline said china killed pets.. but the article then below the clickbait topic. then announces the state didnt implement the supposed rule and admitted they have no evidence of pets being killed.
if there was a true mandate. it takes days/weeks to then employ people and supply tranquilzers and to organise actual raids on pets. thus it was a non event because a news story is not the same as the 'boots on the ground' requirements of fulfilling anything.

idiots just dont think beyond the clickbait topic title. they just get emotional and believe the topic title of some random article, and then try to tag it as tyranny, even when nothing actually happened

as for the fools that want their freedom to catch the virus if they chose or want to lick anyones face without permission.. well they need to learn respect for others and personal space.
do whatever you want in your own private life just dont go impacting others with your stupidity.

Covid-19 has caused many million people die from it, similar to what happened 1914, when in Spain the spanish flu caused many people to die from it. Covid-19 is globally and it’s highly contagious.
Still, some people say about Covid-19, it doesn’t exist or isn’t dangerous. Such people are ignoring a million people died from Covid-19 infections already.

For people say about Covid-19, it doesn’t exist or isn’t deadly, an 'Award' was given out, Herman Cain Award. It’s given out posthumously, when people downplayed Covid-19 but later died from it.
It’s a very unfortunate award but downplaying a dangerous disease and later dying from it is just priceless.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

Some awards:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rygmi7/qanon_star_who_said_only_idiots_get_vax_dies_of/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rjk0qi/conservative_washington_state_senator_doug/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/qwaosw/marcus_lamb_is_an_evangelical_preacher_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/r4af3x/antivaxxer_vegan_died_from_covid_in_hospital/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pqqjj1/denver_pastor_loren_fafo/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/qefhsv/public_figure_amy_didnt_give_a_fuckyes_she_is_a/

All awards:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/wiki/hall-of-cain

German parliamentarian talks about the tyranny
https://odysee.com/@SolacoMan:c/The-Biggest-Crime-Ever-Committed-on-Humanity-(Covid-Vaccines)-Christine-Anderson-(German-MP)-EU-Parliament-05-July-2022-(3-min-video):0



China successfully invated Taiwan

Yeah, DerGigi is from Germany and his hot takes are extremely embarassing for the German Bitcoin community in my opinion. 
He's talking like he's knowing everything about virology, medical research and so on but what's his profession exactly, virologist? 
Of course he's not a virologist but he's acting like he's one and that's the problem in my opinion.
There are so many pseudo experts making a fortune by spreading their unfounded Corona sceptical analysis, it's quite strange.

In Germany, we have a whole bunch of them, squeezing shitloads of money out of their braindead followers.
Bhakdi, a German Corona sceptic, recently launched a book and is advertising it everywhere.
Schiffmann, another German Corona sceptic, collected tons of money from his Corona sceptic fans and now, he's travelling around Africa from his money.
Another one, Ballweg, collected "donations" for his "Anti Corona-Dictatorship Movement" but he was caught using these funds to enrich himself and his friends. 

As a Bitcoiner I'm sceptical, I'm doing my own research but of course, I'm not anti science and I'm not thinking that I'm more knowledgeable about the state of intensive care units than the chief of medicine staff there. 
Being a Corona conspiracy theorist reminds me a little bit of Craig Wright (Faketoshi) or some Shitcoin scammers: they have no clue, unproven theories, the experts are against them but the Shitcoin scammers are making a fortune by scamming their bagholders with lies. 
Corona sceptics are such a joke. I'm not saying, that everything went well because in Germany, the government party also made some shady mask deals, where some local politicians were involved, but I'm glad, that I'm vaccinated because I don't want to gamble with a Covid infection and I'm glad, that some common sense politicians and experts are in the government currently instead of these Corona sceptic maniacs which have no clue at all. 
There's even a German vegan cook now doing virology analysis and calling for a coup against the government but he was busted by AnonLeaks Germany several times. 

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I agree to what Gyfts already said here. What's happening in China currently is not reasonable at all. When there's a small number of infections, the whole city is locked down in China. 
That's not helpful at all. But it's also looking like their vaccine (SinoVac) is not as good as our western vaccine.

Right now, almost all Covid preventions are gone in Germany, still some people claim that there's a "Corona-Dictatorship / Tyranny". I don't know how they are getting to that conclusion. There was even a vaccine mandate discussed in our parliament but the parliament rejected that idea.

Honestly, I'm a bit tired of talking to such people claiming that there's some sort of "Corona Tyranny" ongoing. It's like there would be people claiming there's a "Seatbelt-Tyranny" ongoing, a "Traffic light-Tyranny" or something similar. Covid19 is much more dangerous than a flu, that's what all the medical staff in every local hospital has confirmed here in Germany and why should these tens of thousands medical staff people lying about that? 
Makes no sense to me at all. 

Tyranny is what China does in the name of "COVID safety," ie taking Shanghai residents and forcibly confining residents to their apartment buildings and even in some cases, euthanizing their pets.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-langfang-district-says-kill-covid-patients-pets-2022-3

I believe they canceled the kill order, but nonetheless not before some pets were murdered.

China is the outlier, we already know the CCP was horribly tyrannical.

Perhaps developed countries would fare a bit better: Forced vaccinations, vaccine passports, and removal of private enterprise under the guise of "lockdown regulations," driven by unscientific and unsubstantiated claims about COVID spread.

Read here, a literature review and metanalysis of COVID-19 lockdown strategy: https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

There were no statistically significant differences between free populations and populations under lockdown measures. The politicians knew this from the start, but they let their own personal fears and emotions dictate COVID policy.


Protect those who are vulnerable. The virus does not affect a geriatric the same way it would effect the young.

Since the beginning of the pandemic, I've noticed lots of people, including Bitcoiners, be against vaccines, quarantine, Covid in general. I follow some people here and there, for bitcoin related stuff, and dergigi is one whom I enjoy reading. Even he has written an article regarding what we're all going through these years, referring to it as "Tyranny".

What I don't understand, and I'm all ears, is the arguments. Why is it tyranny? And even if it is, how's supposed a society cope with a virus? Even if we assume it comes from a lab, isn't deadly, enriches vaccine companies and the like. It concerns me, because rational people whom I've learnt a lot from don't go quite well with this.

Not self-moderated; I suppose we keep things civil.