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July 27, 2015, 05:33:24 PM
#70
I'm pretty sad right now that I had 15% of my Qora in a sell at 10, before the price jump.  We could be looking at HUGE percentage increases in the near future, if the decentralized blogging/web/social network features catch on. 

Right now almost nobody has any Qora, price could go crazy.
hero member
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July 27, 2015, 04:16:49 PM
#69
Qora is totally under valued. People will know this if they really spend a few time to learn about it.
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The only issue is how to make them spend some time to learn. Wink
This issue is not only related to QORA but to all other 2.0 coins.
hero member
Activity: 532
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July 26, 2015, 09:11:40 PM
#68
Qora is totally under valued. People will know this if they really spend a few time to learn about it.
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legendary
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Reality is stranger than fiction
July 26, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
#67
Social Network for the first time worldwide using blockchain technology is now a reality thanks to QORA.
Also profile making, blog post, web hosting. All free, anonymous and user-friendly!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11976426

Decentralized search engine for the QORA web: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/main.html
Main public Qora board: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blog.html
Private blogs: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blogdirectory.html , eg. http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blog.html?blogname=cyborg


To all QORA owners: don't forget to vote regarding the BitShares integration: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blockexplorer.html?poll=integrate%20qora%20to%20bitshares

There are many innovations with the new qora release, please check the main thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/qora-pos-assets-names-polls-automated-transactions-social-network-1015379 or join slack for full-action.
hero member
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November 05, 2014, 05:35:18 PM
#66
What has motivated me to make this research?
I think that it is not healthy to say that if you have not contributed in the development of AT and it is not healthy to not being a part of it if you have contributed to the development of it.Brainstorming around ideas is something usual and every one can grab ideas to implement them into his own projects.

To do the research, the early NXT thread is the best place, for example:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5103208


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=search2;params=YWR2YW5jZWR8J3wwfCJ8dG9waWN8J3wzNDU2MTl8InxzaG93X2NvbXBsZXRlfCd8MXwifGJyZHwnfDE1OXwifHN1YmplY3Rfb25seXwnfHwifHNvcnR8J3xyZWxldmFuY2V8Inxzb3J0X2RpcnwnfGRlc2N8InxzZWFyY2h8J3x0dXJpbmc=;start=150
legendary
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mining is so 2012-2013
October 25, 2014, 01:29:20 PM
#65
I have made a research on that based on your words of how the idea has been born and AT seems that it has adopted ideas who were published already.
Turing completeness in crypto currencies has been firstly exposed by Vitalik, right?
Atomic cross trades was firstly been published by Sergio_Demian_Lerner.

AT seems based as I said on those ideas which is pretty healthy and discussions around them is what can bring it to life.
But my research has been made to see the development progress of AT, not only about the idea.Have you developed AT or contributed in the development further than those brainstorms?
Because as I said discussions around it can have a proper workaround on this and afterwards the development is taking place according to the proper work flow that it has been established based on those discussions (and it's actually shaping forms during time).
It is really different to say idea was born and developed and different to have a final product based on the prior ideas around it and that's why I am asking you if you have been involved furthermore than the brainstorms around it.

What has motivated me to make this research?
I think that it is not healthy to say that if you have not contributed in the development of AT and it is not healthy to not being a part of it if you have contributed to the development of it.Brainstorming around ideas is something usual and every one can grab ideas to implement them into his own projects.

I only brainstormed this idea with Ian. Ah, I also initiated all this by contacting kLee who approached Ian. The idea is very obvious and naturally follows from SPV description of Satoshi's whitepaper. Here - https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/not-a-holy-grail-of-cryptocurrencies-but-still-a-very-usable-artifact/ - I extended the idea for a case of two currencies bound via a third one and (what a surprise!) few days later Adam Back et al. publish their Sidechains whitepaper that explains the same method. If we want to choose the original inventor of atomic cross-exchanges then it's Satoshi without any doubt.

In the year 2045 CfB, Satoshi, and Back are jointly award a Noble prize for their work in cross chain exchanges.  Only Back shows up.  hehehe
legendary
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Newbie
October 25, 2014, 08:49:14 AM
#64
I have made a research on that based on your words of how the idea has been born and AT seems that it has adopted ideas who were published already.
Turing completeness in crypto currencies has been firstly exposed by Vitalik, right?
Atomic cross trades was firstly been published by Sergio_Demian_Lerner.

AT seems based as I said on those ideas which is pretty healthy and discussions around them is what can bring it to life.
But my research has been made to see the development progress of AT, not only about the idea.Have you developed AT or contributed in the development further than those brainstorms?
Because as I said discussions around it can have a proper workaround on this and afterwards the development is taking place according to the proper work flow that it has been established based on those discussions (and it's actually shaping forms during time).
It is really different to say idea was born and developed and different to have a final product based on the prior ideas around it and that's why I am asking you if you have been involved furthermore than the brainstorms around it.

What has motivated me to make this research?
I think that it is not healthy to say that if you have not contributed in the development of AT and it is not healthy to not being a part of it if you have contributed to the development of it.Brainstorming around ideas is something usual and every one can grab ideas to implement them into his own projects.

I only brainstormed this idea with Ian. Ah, I also initiated all this by contacting kLee who approached Ian. The idea is very obvious and naturally follows from SPV description of Satoshi's whitepaper. Here - https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/not-a-holy-grail-of-cryptocurrencies-but-still-a-very-usable-artifact/ - I extended the idea for a case of two currencies bound via a third one and (what a surprise!) few days later Adam Back et al. publish their Sidechains whitepaper that explains the same method. If we want to choose the original inventor of atomic cross-exchanges then it's Satoshi without any doubt.
sr. member
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October 25, 2014, 04:51:34 AM
#63
Yeah OK...  like your sleazy wannabe sarcasm while beating around the bush is gonna convince us all...   Roll Eyes

See, it's quite easy to troll at more intellectual level.

Now let's talk about QoraAT. Do you know that in its beginning AT idea was developed by CIYAM and me? We were talking a lot via Skype. During one of these talks an idea of Atomic Cross-Chain Exchange was born. This idea is not mine, it's CIYAM's too, I consider it as 50/50. Here is my post that proves that I knew how to do atomic cross-exchanges several months ago - https://nxtforum.org/smart-contracts/express-your-wish-(smart-contracts)/msg64511/#msg64511.

Would you still post this tweet - https://twitter.com/CryptoScalper/status/522103357012709377 - if you knew all this?

I have made a research on that based on your words of how the idea has been born and AT seems that it has adopted ideas who were published already.
Turing completeness in crypto currencies has been firstly exposed by Vitalik, right?
Atomic cross trades was firstly been published by Sergio_Demian_Lerner.

AT seems based as I said on those ideas which is pretty healthy and discussions around them is what can bring it to life.
But my research has been made to see the development progress of AT, not only about the idea.Have you developed AT or contributed in the development further than those brainstorms?
Because as I said discussions around it can have a proper workaround on this and afterwards the development is taking place according to the proper work flow that it has been established based on those discussions (and it's actually shaping forms during time).
It is really different to say idea was born and developed and different to have a final product based on the prior ideas around it and that's why I am asking you if you have been involved furthermore than the brainstorms around it.

What has motivated me to make this research?
I think that it is not healthy to say that if you have not contributed in the development of AT and it is not healthy to not being a part of it if you have contributed to the development of it.Brainstorming around ideas is something usual and every one can grab ideas to implement them into his own projects.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
October 23, 2014, 04:51:54 AM
#62
we are going up!  Cool


Not if Renat0 is tolerated and his price manipulation.


You've been fooled by him, he wins. Expect I think he thinks the price will shoot up the moment he wants to sell but at this rate the price will stay in this range he has artificially made. Screw him and screw the idiots at Qora.
hero member
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October 23, 2014, 04:41:31 AM
#61
we are going up!  Cool
legendary
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October 22, 2014, 09:20:39 PM
#60
Nearly 10BTC worth bought on bter in an instant  Smiley
legendary
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Reality is stranger than fiction
hero member
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October 20, 2014, 11:04:57 AM
#57
Qora promised Voting System and it was delivered.
Qora promised Arbitrary Transactions and it was delivered.
Qora promised wallet upgrades and it was delivered.
Qora promised Asset Exchange and it was delivered.
Now Turing Complete and new GUI is promised, so I would expect delivery Smiley

Why the volume is low? I don't know.



This looks suspicious. All these features were in Nxt source code (even Voting System which simply lacked client support in NRS and hence wasn't considered as "released") and Qora didn't offer any unique feature. It looks like Qora is really Nxt but with its own client part. We could solve this riddle easily in such the manner:

1. Someone sends me complete source code of Qora.
2. I check if it can be a modified Nxt.
3. I don't share the source code and delete it after the analysis without any copies kept.

Do you want to stop the FUD about Qora being a clone of Nxt?

Shit just got real, ball is in your court now Qora.
legendary
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mining is so 2012-2013
October 20, 2014, 08:28:22 AM
#56
Hey guys,

I will gain access to a private qora repository this week, and i can easily verify if it is or not nxt based. From the talks we had with qora about the intergration of the AT , i got the feeling that has some basic fundamendal at least difference from nxt. Now if some parts or ideas were borrowed from the nxt platform, i dont see why that is a problem.

Well.... this is great news. 

There is a lot of people on both sides really vested in their position.  Somebodies going to get their heart broken, but its gotta be done.  And I am guessing there will be a lot of "told you so" going on.  Hahahaha

Lets hope vbcs really gets a good look and makes the announcement.  I think the sooner the better so this can all be put to rest.
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October 20, 2014, 08:22:30 AM
#55
Guys, so long as Qora decides to keep the source sealed, we must accept that all arguments about originality are opinion-based, regardless of the coins you support.  If you cannot accept that the originating-state of the source (i.e copied, or not) is completely unknown, then this is going to be a tough coin to evaluate.

CfB, I appreciate your willingness to validate the source.  IMHO, this is good news, just of no immediate benefit.  I've said it before, I'll say it again.  I own a lot of Qora and I own a lot of Nxt.  I also don't care if Qora cloned an early copy of Nxt.  And so what if it was?  The dev is trying to branch out on an "original" front and if he does release this source, I've been intrigued with the nature of his silent work long enough that I'm becoming motivated to support it as a core dev "just because".

In other words, Nxt clone or not, this coin has potential to improve and be worth far more than it is now.  For now, attacking Nxt (for any reason) is like a cub attacking a dominate lion.  Pretty dumb today... but some cubs do grow up to be stronger than their father's.

Supporting Qora is an exercise in faith and patience.  Your faith is a factor of the size of your stake in the coin.

My personal hope is that bugs will be worked out, features will continue and once a little "shiny" is added to the application, we can push it by building out supported tools that can exist on their own, within the realm of cryptocurrency.

As I part, keep in mind there is over $42,000,000,000,000 worth of wealth in this world (source, ahem, XKCD) and all of crypto accounts for less than 1% of 1%.  There is room for everyone to innovate and capture the remaining 99.99%. Both Qora and Nxt.  If we both want this crypto-movement to mean anything we need to stop attacking one another (even if they started it) and start making useful tools that people outside of crypto will look at and go "Aha! I get it! Let me get into this crypto thing!"


While I like your attitude and appreciate your input I disagree on a few points that are important issues.

The fact is Qora has said he had almost no prior knowledge of NXT and has built Qora based on no coin and if he was looking to improve on any coin then it would be Bitcoin which has stated was the purpose and goal of Qora.

So this idea that is somehow ok that he did in fact rip off parts of NXT matter a damn lot and is half the reason people not in the QOra camp have been able to undermine Qora with slights about it just being a reworked NXT.

Imagine if you had built something from scratch and then some other coin says oh you just copied half of ours WHEN YOU DIDNT!!! I would be annoyed to say the least. Honestly Qora must be a saint not to of gone all out on defending Qora as not NXT based I mean he knows the source code was going to come out so he must know his integrity is in question if the code has like 40% NXT code. So I'm thinking the best that he indeed has the patience of a siant and hasnt said a word against all these accusations. he has stated that it has no other coin was used to make Qora but apart from that he has been silent.

To me its simple its a question of Qora's integrity and indeed Qora's worth. If Qora is indeed a brand new source with NOTHING ot do with NXT then it should actually be valued on a similar level as NXT, who came first is of no importance if its entirely a different project.

So when people slip that little clause in 'oh it dosen't matter if Qora was developed from NXT' then you are basically saying its ok Qora is a damn liar and also that you have almost no faith in him telling the truth and probably he is lying. Its not just about questioning his integrity its also about questioning what you care about (not you personally, the concept).


Qora has been held back from the start over this NXT connection that I believe is invalid and a way for Qora to undermined as the innovative work it is. This whole oh its got similar functions so it must not be new cause NXT already did it! And therefore its similarity in function (functions that everyone has been calling for for years I might add) is as poor an argument as you can get. This of course is not an attack on NXT its an attack on the idea that they have any more connection than NXT has to Bitcoin or Ripple.
rlh
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October 20, 2014, 06:58:38 AM
#54
Guys, so long as Qora decides to keep the source sealed, we must accept that all arguments about originality are opinion-based, regardless of the coins you support.  If you cannot accept that the originating-state of the source (i.e copied, or not) is completely unknown, then this is going to be a tough coin to evaluate.

CfB, I appreciate your willingness to validate the source.  IMHO, this is good news, just of no immediate benefit.  I've said it before, I'll say it again.  I own a lot of Qora and I own a lot of Nxt.  I also don't care if Qora cloned an early copy of Nxt.  And so what if it was?  The dev is trying to branch out on an "original" front and if he does release this source, I've been intrigued with the nature of his silent work long enough that I'm becoming motivated to support it as a core dev "just because".

In other words, Nxt clone or not, this coin has potential to improve and be worth far more than it is now.  For now, attacking Nxt (for any reason) is like a cub attacking a dominate lion.  Pretty dumb today... but some cubs do grow up to be stronger than their father's.

Supporting Qora is an exercise in faith and patience.  Your faith is a factor of the size of your stake in the coin.

My personal hope is that bugs will be worked out, features will continue and once a little "shiny" is added to the application, we can push it by building out supported tools that can exist on their own, within the realm of cryptocurrency.

As I part, keep in mind there is over $42,000,000,000,000 worth of wealth in this world (source, ahem, XKCD) and all of crypto accounts for less than 1% of 1%.  There is room for everyone to innovate and capture the remaining 99.99%. Both Qora and Nxt.  If we both want this crypto-movement to mean anything we need to stop attacking one another (even if they started it) and start making useful tools that people outside of crypto will look at and go "Aha! I get it! Let me get into this crypto thing!"
hero member
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October 20, 2014, 06:21:30 AM
#53

Goes ahead and quotes CIYAM from a date preceding everything I quoted and the SHIT HITTING THE FAN...   Roll Eyes

CIYAM left an open source project that has two other developers and a plan to implement on testnet.

Plan is carried out and NxtAT launches on testnet.



As I said before, this storm is only in your head. We have been over this, I am out of here too.
hero member
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October 20, 2014, 06:08:11 AM
#52
So we agree that vbecas and btc2nxt are the 'saviours of NxtAT' (aka the NxtAT devs) and put NxtAt on testnet as had been planned in June when CIYAM was still part of NxtAT. CfB referred to this as 'Nxtthereum'  Cheesy


In order for us to co-ordinate two separate developers we are going to fork the public version of Nxt to continue this project (we have been given no access to the private Nxt repo so practically we have no other option).

We'll work out our own "testnet" for this (and run that on a different port) and hopefully we can get some people to help us out with running testnet nodes when we have that ready (this will probably be a few weeks from now as firstly coding to integrate AT with Nxt will need to be written).


PHEW! I thought you might flip out and act like an hysterical child. Thank god that didn't happen.


I think your issue is that you believe CIYAM was snubbed (and maybe CIYAM does too) and that has led to this behaviour toward CfB. NxtAT /= CIYAM, the project is open source with two other devs. I was sad to lose CIYAM in Nxt but I don't think he sees himself as aligned to any crypto. From some discussions with him, he seemed to believe he had something that would be the next step after blockchain tech.


CIYAM is very talented and is promoting AT well, Gavin A even checked in. QoraAT will be good. But AT implementation of Atomic Cross Chain Transactions requires NxtAT, DogeAT, LtcAT, BTCD AT etc etc... for it to be really useful and each one need the others. CIYAM doesn't need an 'attack dog' to protect him so let's just tone it down. AT will raise all ships.
legendary
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October 20, 2014, 05:42:28 AM
#51
No matter how many links with dates and times you post, you won't convince him.

He behaved like a man once. He will do it again, I'm sure. For now I'm leaving this thread.
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