Topic: when should you shoot a cop (Read 5535 times)

You see a contradiction where there is none.  Your personality, your self, is an idea.  And you are alive.

You enforce Ideas .

I'll enforce life first and foremost. Fine?

What I mean is that life only exists in ideas.  Take away ideas like language and culture and there is nothing left.  To say that you disagree with an idea is fine.  But you say that these ideas stupid but that you can't convince people to agree with you.  Maybe the ideas are not so stupid?

And where did i stated they don't matter ? Actually i stated that these are the ones that matter . Ideas . Being the ones that matter doesn't mean they aren't stupid. And why? because life will always be more important then any idea. At least for me.

To say that something only exists in our minds is not to take away from it being real.  Ideas matter - in many ways they are all that matters.

I think I'm qualified to say whatever the fuck I want. It's up to each and every one of us to decide weather It's correct or not.

So you want a sentence ? I doesn't matter if i stop believing as long as others around me still believe. If they are stronger (in numbers or more armed ) they will force their beliefs on me. It's never about them , it's always about US .. AL of US.

And states don't exist ... merely in our minds. Just like God , Laws , Morals , etc. , etc..

FTFY.

So you can't put a sentence together and feel qualified to tell people who believe they are free that they are deluded.

Nice.

No .

Try that as a sentence with a subject and a verb please.

Not in theirs in our.

So you feel qualified to tell other people that they are not really free - its just all in their minds.

Interesting.

I actually understood that he knows he ain't free yet but he knows why. Because other slaves enforce slavery.

I would continue and say that whenever we create society (state , religion , law , country , nation, morality ,etc. etc.) we also create slavery . As long as we will view this Fictions as more valuable than individual life and free will we won't be free.

And the sad truth is that most are afraid to take decisions , so they love it when someone else , or the community takes the decision for them.

So Bind, you falsely believe you are free.

What exactly are we meant to do about it?  If you are happy with your life, whats the problem?

It makes sense to you, because you are conditioned to think that way.

It makes sense to you, because you are conditioned to think that cops are authority figures.

It makes sense to you, because you are conditioned to believe you do not have equal rights under the law.

Its about fear ... its about control.

Even in the slavery of the blacks there were blacks who were given weapons, special privilages, better food, better clothing, special "rights", more freedom of movement, less work, authority over other blacks, even some education, and a badge, hat, or symbol so they could be recognized as ENFORCERS, so the other blacks would fear them in order to control them, and the slave masters could tell them apart.

They were still slaves, but they facilliated, participated, and most importantly, ENFORCED their own enslavement and the enslavement of their people by this conditioning.

Quite often, a slave got uppity and needed to be disciplined. After obeying for a time, they got special privilages, like being LICENSED to drive the horse and wagon (the vehicle of the time) to town to pick up deliveries or to chauffer a friend or family membr of the slavemaster. However, the slave master wanted INSURANCE in case the slave damaged someone elses property in the course of their duties using the conveyance, so that the slave master was not personally liable for any damages. The slave had to adhere to a strict set of RULES AND REGULATIONS (the vehicle code of that time) handed down by the slavemaster and insurer.

Not only blacks but slavery throughout history where an elite ruled over the people.

Major plantation owners (slavemasters) and their descendents became our financial, corporate, and political elite families we recognize today. This is not by accident.

You have been indoctrinated, manipulated, and propagandized. We all have. We are slaves unless we are a member of their families and friends power structure.

All we have to do is stand up and say NO and claim our rights, but we dont do that. We fight amongst ourselves enabling them to divide and conquer us. Control us. When its us who should be controlling them.

When a few actually figure this all out they go into depression. When they come out of their depression, the reality hits different people differently. Some educated others. Others strike out at their oppressors. Others rebel and revolt when infringed upon. Some, like those are Waco and Ruby Ridge, do all of the above and are crushed when they try to live free, then the powers in "authority" propagandize them and mow them down to teach the rest of us what happens when Toby The Slave gets uppity, while trying to use it to manipulate us into thinking militia, constitution, and sovereignty are bad. Ancient relics of a long expired past that should be burried and forgotten.

History constantly repeats itself. Throughout history, oppressive and tyrannical leaders have fallen to the will and power of the people. Throughout history, ALL civillizations have fallen.

You can not regulate a right. That turns a right into a privilage and/or a benefit metered out by authority.

Why do you think there is such a war against personal sovereignty, militias, and the constitution?

Why do they have us fighting each other, so we do not concentrate on the real issues plaguing us and fighting them.

They would rather us fight each other in civil war than to fight them, so they will always hold the power, influence, and control, and guide us on the path they wish us to go down. This is why they created and gave us political parties and stupid meaningless "kitchen table issues" to fight each other over, all the while those political parties are completely identical and synchronized at the top and on the major issues plaguing and affecting us daily.

"... None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free ..."
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

If someone is doing nothing but traveling with dark windows and a cop feels he'd be putting life in danger (his) then he needs to let it go. Pulling a gun for having dark windows is major escalation. I don't think a cop has a right to take money from someone with dark windows any more than I have that right. But if they are really set on that style extortion then send a letter in the mail. You've got their plate number, name, address. This doesn't need to be done with a gun on the side of the road.

It makes sense to me.  If the officer can't see that the person in the vehicle isn't pulling a gun on them, they've got to take steps to protect themselves.

I don't think they're justified either. But our criminal justice system doesn't see anything wrong with it, and therefore is likely to see something wrong with someone responding with guns to guns, because "cops are supposed to point them".

The first goal of self defense is to wake up again tomorrow. The second goal, in my humble opinion almost equal to the first, is to do that in your own bed and not behind bars.

Again, my point was that you're right, "never" is not the correct answer. But of the tiny percentage of people who will have to actually defend themselves, a tinier still percentage of those people will have to do it from a guy with a badge (and you don't need some swarznegger/stallone plot to come up with scenarios why) - but they're skating on thin ice legally.

I completely disagree that an officer is justified in pulling a gun on you for having dark windshields.

That said I certainly would not shoot in that spot or encourage anyone else to.

All I'm saying ITT is that anyone saying "never" isn't thinking.

I'll concede that if you consider "travelling" to not be "operating a motor vehicle", then even so...This is what I'm talking about earlier. If you consider being extracted from your vehicle at gunpoint because you're engaging in behavior that's considered threatening to the safety of officers, to be an unlawful act - then the standard self-defense rules apply. Get into a shootout with the cops, but then the other part of what I said applies (and doubly so):

Be sure you're right, and that what the officer's doing is actually unlawful. I'm not sure the courts would agree with you that it is, and bearing in mind that in that exact situation (it wasn't what I really had in mind when I talked about cops acting unlawful, but to each their own) if you're wrong, you're on the hook for shooting a cop. In some states (yours at minimum, I'm guessing) you're risking the injection if you're wrong and you kill the poor bastard anyway.