Topic: When traditional markets fall, alternative markets fall harder - page 2. (Read 726 times)
January 04, 2019, 05:24:01 AM
Stop dreaming bro. No one can ascertain that the crypto market is somehow attached to the movement of the stock market and even if it is, you think machines are the ones controlling the market? You and I as well as every other humans including the whales and institutions are, and in this case, if the stock market is going down, the next phase for most people is to look for where to hedge their funds for more increase. The crypto space looks blown out already to me, so I wonder where you are seeing your own death from?
January 03, 2019, 09:36:07 AM
The previous btc price crashes were due to the crypto market being very small and very manipulated.
Now the market is still manipulated,but it's way harder than before.Bitcoin isn't old and rusty.BTC transactions aren't that expensive.All the comparisons between bitcoin and myspace,shitty dot-com companies and tulips are nonsense.Bitcoin will recover,because the crypto whales will pump it again.
Now the market is still manipulated,but it's way harder than before.Bitcoin isn't old and rusty.BTC transactions aren't that expensive.All the comparisons between bitcoin and myspace,shitty dot-com companies and tulips are nonsense.Bitcoin will recover,because the crypto whales will pump it again.
I somewhat agree to this one, but partially. Bitcoin is not dependent to real world stuff perfectly because it’s decentralsied and regardless of other changes in Fortune 500 companies (example) it doesn’t matter to bitcoin at all. Bitcoin is also not controlled by whales now a days as its use is more conventional now than before.
So yup I do agree to you that it somehow independent of those X markets out there. 
January 03, 2019, 08:48:33 AM
it seems that it will not be possible and the traditional market will still remain because not everyone who understands cryptocurrency or other digital currencies so that until the end of this earth revolves, there will still be traditional exchange places in various countries.
You may right but actually, it is very impossible for bitcoin/cryptocurrencies to be dead, it is still young and there are still lots of things cryptocurrency can be developed. There were lots of people told that the bitcoin would go dead when it was in its very low amounts when it went high, the people say it will die, and then now that it is in its neutral price, people also, tell that it will die. It is very pointless though there will always be some people who are not an optimist we will see what will happen and let's just be ready. January 03, 2019, 05:35:51 AM
it seems that it will not be possible and the traditional market will still remain because not everyone who understands cryptocurrency or other digital currencies so that until the end of this earth revolves, there will still be traditional exchange places in various countries.
January 03, 2019, 05:31:33 AM
when the crypto market falls down alternative market like cryptocurrencies and commodities market to face the heat mostly technology related assets or shares are badly efforted we can expect the bounce back once the market recovers
January 03, 2019, 04:02:04 AM
This drop in bitcoin didn't started out when the markets fell, that is what people are missing. I mean october was the time nasdaq started to fall whereas bitcoin was already at around 6500 or so by summer, after october the only fall happened after Craig and Jihan all sold their coins to fuel their war on bitcoin cash and that had nothing to do with the markets.
Basically there is no relation between alternative markets and traditional markets, there is nothing that combines them or ties them together. Hence, they can go up together, they can go down together, one can go up while the other goes down, anything could happen and we can't be really surprised because they have no connection, no matter what happens all would be just coincidence. Until markets open up for crypto of course, if nasdaq lists bitcoin than there could be a connection.
Basically there is no relation between alternative markets and traditional markets, there is nothing that combines them or ties them together. Hence, they can go up together, they can go down together, one can go up while the other goes down, anything could happen and we can't be really surprised because they have no connection, no matter what happens all would be just coincidence. Until markets open up for crypto of course, if nasdaq lists bitcoin than there could be a connection.
January 02, 2019, 09:18:01 PM
we do not see an indication that everything is manipulation. but in fact when the bitcoin as the number 1 coin in crypto falls, the altcoin below falls even deeper. it is a fact in the market and we cannot deny it.
January 02, 2019, 07:52:02 PM
so a better example could be a comparison between currencies and bitcoin and we have seen that whenever a currency crashes the price of bitcoin in that country begins to go up because the demand increases.
I haven't seen that, could you point me to an example where a fiat currency crashed and Bitcoin actually went up as result of that? If you refer to what's happening in Venezuela and Turkey, then I have to disagree.The volumes there are so low, that there is no way they can even remotely affect the price in any shape or form. People assume it affects Bitcoin because news outlets make it seem like that, but it's not true.
News outlets have been spreading nonsense around Bitcoin adoption in various countries while there isn't much happening on that front at all. Most people have no way to verify what news outlets publish so they believe it.
January 02, 2019, 04:59:13 PM
It is a nice theory but you failed to prove that there is any correlation between the stock market and the market of cryptocurrencies, you are forgetting something very important cryptocurrencies are not assets but currencies, so a better example could be a comparison between currencies and bitcoin and we have seen that whenever a currency crashes the price of bitcoin in that country begins to go up because the demand increases.
January 02, 2019, 11:18:49 AM
This is not always true and solely depends on region.
Take for example Venezuela or other problematic regions. When their economics are collapsing, the Bitcoin price is bulling and the 'local' Bitcoin price is skyrocketing. I think if we see another 2008 like crisis, the Bitcoin will hit new AHT very very quickly.
Take for example Venezuela or other problematic regions. When their economics are collapsing, the Bitcoin price is bulling and the 'local' Bitcoin price is skyrocketing. I think if we see another 2008 like crisis, the Bitcoin will hit new AHT very very quickly.
January 02, 2019, 09:26:03 AM
I don't think that this inevitable death you are talking about will happen to Bitcoin just because we are somehow in a recession with other markets. Market cycles like this are bound to happen and the cryptocurrency market being a much weaker market compared to the stock market is just merely coincidental brought to us by the crazy price jump we had last December 2017 which causes us a massive sell-off waiting to happen. The cryptocurrency market is already a established market and I just don't see the whole market going down because the stock market is bearish right now.
January 02, 2019, 09:13:33 AM
Bitcoin has experienced several bear markets including ones that last for over a year. In fact the one we just suffered from and are still suffering from has been for longer than a year. There is a slight correlation between the two so hopefully when the s&p makes a comeback so will bitcoin
January 02, 2019, 09:10:01 AM
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January 02, 2019, 07:07:24 AM
I'm not surprised by other people's judgments, when the bitcoin price drops sharply then the bitcoin's said to be dead, but when the bitcoin growth signal comes with a better price, they argue that bitcoin is alive again. So the death of bitcoin's never permanent, and this only applies temporarily just the same as the decline that is happening at the moment, it's only temporary.
I read some article that bitcoin was died 10 or 30 times since it was created,the word dead denotes how many times the prices fell too bearish not considerable time so when this happen the people will start to say bitcoin is died but later when the prices increase they will forget about it and start predicting the prices for the next months and year this is just human behaviour so don't get much of it which can confuse us.The crypto market was already on huge correction while the stock market was still growing until recently, and I see no way the two are connected unless by just basic assumptions of someone who just want to come up with another reason to experience a crypto market death and even if they are connected, I really would not see how at this stage, investors would not be looking for where next to feed on and this looks like a pretty good market for that course. While people are thinking of a dead market, this might just be a long year of accumulation.
January 01, 2019, 03:04:22 PM
Agreed that we never have seen a bearish stock market condition yet, so I think it's quite wrong to assume that the alternative markets--in this case the cryptomarket--would fall so hard than its stock counterpaarts. Experts are actually clinging on the assumption that bitcoin and crypto would excel when traditional assets fail to push forward, as cryptoassets would be seen as hedges should there be another financial crisis in the making.
January 01, 2019, 09:40:02 AM
December 27, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
I'm not surprised by other people's judgments, when the bitcoin price drops sharply then the bitcoin's said to be dead, but when the bitcoin growth signal comes with a better price, they argue that bitcoin is alive again. So the death of bitcoin's never permanent, and this only applies temporarily just the same as the decline that is happening at the moment, it's only temporary.
I read some article that bitcoin was died 10 or 30 times since it was created,the word dead denotes how many times the prices fell too bearish not considerable time so when this happen the people will start to say bitcoin is died but later when the prices increase they will forget about it and start predicting the prices for the next months and year this is just human behaviour so don't get much of it which can confuse us. 
December 27, 2018, 11:59:50 AM
The main issue in this regard with the crypto market is that the only channel to investing is through FIAT such as USD.
I read about a football club, which opted to pay its employees using cryptocurrency, if this could be adopted by more organizations. It would boost adoption and would also separate the stock and cryptocurrency market.
It would be something of a start, the crypto market doesn't need to be separated from the stock market, that is already largely the case, it needs to be separated from FIAT. Paying employees is a start but having places they can actually spend their funds and it be beneficial for them is when real adoption will come.
December 26, 2018, 04:01:39 PM
Your assumption will only be true if and only if the stock market won't never be back to being bullish again which I doubt will happen. All this phases including the 10 year bull run of the stock market are just cycles that is bound to happen again, market phases like this are only happening in a long period but it doesn't mean we are stuck in a bearish market for all eternity. Just so you know even if we are in the bear market the gains this cryptocurrencies are yielding are all outperforming stocks in the market making it more appealing to be traded that is why prices are so volatile as a lot of people are taking profit out from it.
Theres no such market that would able to retain for bearish runs. There would be always price reversals or bull run.I don't see a reason why stocks and crypto would be compared nor connected.Each market do have its cycle but same as being said there are still people who do make money on crypto market since they do saw that earning percentage and opportunities is way better than on stocks.
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