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Topic: When will the USA pay their debts, if ever? - page 3. (Read 20979 times)

legendary
Activity: 944
Merit: 1026
December 29, 2014, 12:26:41 PM
Why would we do that?  Our debt is the world's most popular investment.   Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
December 29, 2014, 12:21:34 PM
Why would they pay off their debt? Its a pretty sweat deal they are having going on at the moment. They will simply keep printing more and more dollars and there are more suckers out there willing to give up their products and services produced with hard work for those Benjamins.

As they go more in debt, they spend more and promise more "free" money which will be a problem when they can't deliver the money easily anymore.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
December 29, 2014, 10:23:42 AM
Why would they pay off their debt? Its a pretty sweat deal they are having going on at the moment. They will simply keep printing more and more dollars and there are more suckers out there willing to give up their products and services produced with hard work for those Benjamins.
Q7
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
December 29, 2014, 08:12:15 AM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?

yes i do, and your point being...?

The point being that if I owe you USD, and I print USD, I can ask the guy running my printing presses to print up whatever it is I owe you & give it to you.
Debt paid, easy peasy Smiley

Debt paid but it will have dire consequences.

What if bitcoin is a long term secret plan from the us government to destroy the debt? bitcoin gets mass adoption first then usd goes freefall, bye bye debt

No because it's open source, it has no backdoors, so why would the control maniacs give up the power above the currency?

It makes no sense.

Plus, the media propaganda always speaks badly about the Bitcoin, if it were a government false flag, then it would be cheered by wallstreeters and media propagandists.
He is arguing that if the government had created bitcoin, they did so to cause the value of the dollar to fall so the government can repay their debt with money that is worth much less.

I agree that this logic does not make sense because the government would give up control of their monetary policy and it would be difficulty to prevent bank runs in times of economic crisis.

It would be better for the government to have a strong Dollar while creating a lot of it.
Governments tend to want to have a weaker currency (to a point) because having a weak currency means that their country's economy has advantages over their trading partner's economies which results in higher domestic economic growth which results in higher tax revenue for the country, which results in a more of an ability to repay their national debt

You are right that right now governments in the West are looking to have a weak currency but I don't think it has the advantages they say it has.

Having a weak currency has its advantages especially for countries which are net exporters. Sometimes currencies exchange rate are manipulated in situations where they expect to have trade surplus for that month.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1070
December 29, 2014, 07:47:15 AM
they will pay them now with bitcoin, they will not be able to steal money to people
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
December 29, 2014, 07:42:38 AM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?

yes i do, and your point being...?

The point being that if I owe you USD, and I print USD, I can ask the guy running my printing presses to print up whatever it is I owe you & give it to you.
Debt paid, easy peasy Smiley

no that will only increase more debt long term... coz the money you print has no collateral ... youll get more money in circulation which will result in devaluation of the currency , which will unltimately increase the remaining debt

It has collateral, but very low, i think its 1-2% in the USA now. Really funny a the Dod-frank act that they`ve pushed actually was intended to decrease the leverage banks used to prevent any new collapses, yet the reserve requirement was lowered to 1 or 2% i dont remember.

Funny, do what i say not what i do, what hypocrites are these politicians  Cheesy

they sure are hypocrites... Did not know about that collateral in the US of A, was talking more from the general economic perspective where the known fact is that printing money only leads to devaluation of the ( any ) currency and produces an increased inflation.
More money in circulation, but its worth less, the prices then sky rocketing and the debt will only raise .
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1014
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
December 29, 2014, 07:11:05 AM
Quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius, et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius
Whatever is below is similar to that which is above.

People will imitate their leaders. The addiction to debt is destroying nations, destroying communities, and destroying families. It must be stopped before it destroys our species.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
December 29, 2014, 06:11:24 AM
the plan was'nt ever to pay it back....

Scammers borrow money with the intention of never paying it back....on a small scale that is true and on this large scale it is no different.

They borrow not thinking about repayment or thinking they will inflate the currency to repay. As a whole a nation can borrow and the children will need to reimburse which is illegal for a private citizen. Imagine if you could go to the bank, take a loan to buy a tv and ask the repayments to be maid by your unborn children.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
December 28, 2014, 06:31:49 PM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?

yes i do, and your point being...?

The point being that if I owe you USD, and I print USD, I can ask the guy running my printing presses to print up whatever it is I owe you & give it to you.
Debt paid, easy peasy Smiley

no that will only increase more debt long term... coz the money you print has no collateral ... youll get more money in circulation which will result in devaluation of the currency , which will unltimately increase the remaining debt

I do not owe gold or Japanese Yen, I owe the very same worthless paper that I print: teh Glorious USD.
Lrn 2 unit of account.
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
December 28, 2014, 06:06:18 PM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?

yes i do, and your point being...?

The point being that if I owe you USD, and I print USD, I can ask the guy running my printing presses to print up whatever it is I owe you & give it to you.
Debt paid, easy peasy Smiley

no that will only increase more debt long term... coz the money you print has no collateral ... youll get more money in circulation which will result in devaluation of the currency , which will unltimately increase the remaining debt

It has collateral, but very low, i think its 1-2% in the USA now. Really funny a the Dod-frank act that they`ve pushed actually was intended to decrease the leverage banks used to prevent any new collapses, yet the reserve requirement was lowered to 1 or 2% i dont remember.

Funny, do what i say not what i do, what hypocrites are these politicians  Cheesy
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
December 28, 2014, 06:00:45 PM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?

yes i do, and your point being...?

The point being that if I owe you USD, and I print USD, I can ask the guy running my printing presses to print up whatever it is I owe you & give it to you.
Debt paid, easy peasy Smiley

no that will only increase more debt long term... coz the money you print has no collateral ... youll get more money in circulation which will result in devaluation of the currency , which will unltimately increase the remaining debt
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
December 28, 2014, 05:34:59 PM
Educate yourself:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

The whole world is trying to scam the whole world Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
December 28, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
the plan was'nt ever to pay it back....

Scammers borrow money with the intention of never paying it back....on a small scale that is true and on this large scale it is no different.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
December 28, 2014, 05:28:04 PM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?

yes i do, and your point being...?

The point being that if I owe you USD, and I print USD, I can ask the guy running my printing presses to print up whatever it is I owe you & give it to you.
Debt paid, easy peasy Smiley

Debt paid but it will have dire consequences.

Oh?  Then I guess I'll tell my guy to stop the presses Undecided

...The problem is inherit to the system...

I keep hearing about this impending doom, mainly from the lunatic fringe.
...

hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
December 28, 2014, 05:03:59 PM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?

yes i do, and your point being...?

The point being that if I owe you USD, and I print USD, I can ask the guy running my printing presses to print up whatever it is I owe you & give it to you.
Debt paid, easy peasy Smiley

Debt paid but it will have dire consequences.

What if bitcoin is a long term secret plan from the us government to destroy the debt? bitcoin gets mass adoption first then usd goes freefall, bye bye debt

No because it's open source, it has no backdoors, so why would the control maniacs give up the power above the currency?

It makes no sense.

Plus, the media propaganda always speaks badly about the Bitcoin, if it were a government false flag, then it would be cheered by wallstreeters and media propagandists.
He is arguing that if the government had created bitcoin, they did so to cause the value of the dollar to fall so the government can repay their debt with money that is worth much less.

I agree that this logic does not make sense because the government would give up control of their monetary policy and it would be difficulty to prevent bank runs in times of economic crisis.

It would be better for the government to have a strong Dollar while creating a lot of it.
Governments tend to want to have a weaker currency (to a point) because having a weak currency means that their country's economy has advantages over their trading partner's economies which results in higher domestic economic growth which results in higher tax revenue for the country, which results in a more of an ability to repay their national debt

You are right that right now governments in the West are looking to have a weak currency but I don't think it has the advantages they say it has.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
December 28, 2014, 12:56:45 PM
What if bitcoin is a long term secret plan from the us government to destroy the debt? bitcoin gets mass adoption first then usd goes freefall, bye bye debt

No because it's open source, it has no backdoors, so why would the control maniacs give up the power above the currency?

It makes no sense.

Plus, the media propaganda always speaks badly about the Bitcoin, if it were a government false flag, then it would be cheered by wallstreeters and media propagandists.
He is arguing that if the government had created bitcoin, they did so to cause the value of the dollar to fall so the government can repay their debt with money that is worth much less.

I agree that this logic does not make sense because the government would give up control of their monetary policy and it would be difficulty to prevent bank runs in times of economic crisis.

It would be better for the government to have a strong Dollar while creating a lot of it.
Governments tend to want to have a weaker currency (to a point) because having a weak currency means that their country's economy has advantages over their trading partner's economies which results in higher domestic economic growth which results in higher tax revenue for the country, which results in a more of an ability to repay their national debt
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
December 28, 2014, 11:29:45 AM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?

yes i do, and your point being...?

The point being that if I owe you USD, and I print USD, I can ask the guy running my printing presses to print up whatever it is I owe you & give it to you.
Debt paid, easy peasy Smiley
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
December 28, 2014, 11:22:48 AM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?

yes i do, and your point being...?
full member
Activity: 127
Merit: 100
#1 Reseller
December 28, 2014, 10:08:48 AM
LOL,I myself have a debt of 100k$,I don't think I am going to repay!
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
December 28, 2014, 10:03:39 AM
the short reply would be .... Never...

they will just keep on printing money and Gov bonds, which will only increase such dept.

You know that the debt is denominated in the very same USD that's being printed, right?
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