Topic: Which countries allow HIV positive people to work into? - page 3. (Read 5069 times)

I don't think that it is possible to conceal your HIV status from your employers, as most of them provide medicare to their employees. Your medicare will become null and void if you conceal your health status.

Aaaaaah, so now you are giving an argument from emotion, to an argument of rationality. Very honest debating tactics.

You try to emotionize a pretty simple concept: Life has consequences, so deal with it.

It's not like there aren't 9999999999 dangers humans face every single day. Why should 1 person externalize his own dangers to others, that is the real evil thing to do.




That is the punishment, it is the consequence of their poor actions. It's nature's way of punishing people for bad behavior.

Just as a smoker getting lungh cancer is a selfish hypocrite for running to the government and asking for free healthcare, for making his own poor bad decisions, but want others to pay for it. In other words they dont want to assume responsibility for their actions.



YES.

I dont know: an investigation. A court. It's not like things cant be proven or debated in modern society.

Besides HIV can be probably cured one day, so this is not like it's a permanent punishment, but until that day, people should be not incentivized to pursue foolish actions.

This is a temporary threat management to say, in order to limit the bad behavior and incentivize the good.


No. I believe that people have to hold personal responsibility.

I do want to help people who have became victims that have not been through their own fault. (Rape victims, sick children, etc...)

But I don't want to help idiots, who have caused the problems for themselves (Smokers getting lungh cancer, Fat people getting diabetes, etc...)

You're not only terribly wrong you're also a terrible human being.

3 main reason why all you're saying is worse than false.

1/ Don't you think that getting the aids in enough for punishment?

2/ We agree on the fact that in many cases people who got the aids aren't responsible. How do you decide when one is responsible then?

3/ And the most important, you believe that it should be "survival of the strongest" no?
That's more or less what you're saying.

Anyone can hire you. Even if you got hiv. Just dont tell them. Lol.
Serously. You can still have job even if you have hiv. Some companies dont require any screening. But ofcourse it depends on job that you are going to apply. If you want to apply on for example hopitals. They are not requiring you to screening. But do you want to infect others? Dont apply on obvious job that is not for you. Theres so many jobs there. Just choose what is good for you and for others.

My argument is perfectly valid. We should not incenticize irresponsible people. How can people learn if not from their own mistakes, so that other people can see them and learn from them. It is how nature makes stupid people suffer and rewards intelligent people.

If people fall down the stairs because they are too careless , why should I pay for their hospital bills? If people drive without a seatbelt, get in an accident and survive but become disabled, why should I pay for them? You get the idea.

Why do people have to externalize their responsibility to society? It's because they are socialists, that is why.



Getting the flu is random, but it can also be reduced if people follow proper sanitary precautions and eat healthy.

Getting STD is totally their fault, if they have done it voluntarly (obviously I am not referring to rape victims)


Yes. Maybe become monogamous, you know fucking around, and then complaining, wont help you.

Monogamy can reduce STD by 100%. So that should give some ideas to promiscuous people.


Sue the fuck out of them, and send them to jail. Yes in that case the victim is not responsible and the liar is.

It's still bad luck though, but if the liar gets punished, then they hopefully become deterred in doing such evil things.



Indeed, their fucking parents are scum, that they know they have STD's and they still decide to have children. Maybe they should have done abortion.

But to bring a child to life who they know will have a shitty life, is just selfish scumbag parent behavior.



In this case they are not responsible, obviously. But again the criminals has to be punished to avoid this stuff.



Well these are the real idiots. Because we live in a 21 century world with 2 second access to Google. If people are too dumb to do 10 min Google search on sex and sexual questions, then they are reaaaaaaaaaaaally dumb, and deserve fully what is coming for them.



Hey it's not my fault that the world is full of idiots. Don't blame the messenger. I am just pointing out that people are irresponsible idiots.

You are right OP done mistake and create this thread which have no sense because in many countries peoples doing jobs even they are HIV positive just very few countries have problem with this but still many opportunities for these peoples available

Lol.
Just Lol.
Do you even understand how terrible your argument is?
1/ you're actually saying someone ill should be put aside society. Great. So if you got the flue we put you outside of society?
2/ You're SLIGHTLY FORGETTING that condoms protect you at 98% not more! so if you're in the last 2% it's just "bad luck"?
3/ You're also forgetting about all people who trusted their partners even though they finally ended having aids
4/ You forget about all people who were born with it
5/ You forget about rapes victims
6/ You forget about people with low education or simply irresponsible parents. If your parents never took the time to explain what aids were and how you must protect yourself, you're still responsible for catching a mortal disease you had no clue about?

OH AND BY THE WAY! You're incredible idea would only make people with aids hide from the rest of the world, potentially contaminating more people and slowing the research.

Really what could be wrong in what you say?

Use fucking condoms, how can people be so idiots?

If they fucked up and got HIV it's their fault, of course you should separate them from healty people, it's their punishment.

If they got it from blood transfusion, then they should sue the hospital and the doctor/nurse who was responsible.

WTF?
What is this question??

I'd like the other question: "Which countries don't allow HIV positive people to work into"?
I mean there is 0 reasons to not let HIV positive people work!

All countries.

Are there really countries that screen for HIV before taking a job? That's crazy. An extreme intrusion of Government in our personal lives. Our health is none of the Government's business, unless (of course) they want to pay for our health care.

Here's a link that answers some of your question: http://www.thebody.com/content/art2244.html

It is a test that must be done in order to get a residence permit in some countries. These uncles shake your health, whether you are a cancer patient or not, it does not matter to them. But without this test they will not approve your health check.

In almost all the countries around the world, it is illegal to deny employment to anyone based on his HIV status. However, there are a few exceptions such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. These countries will deport the foreign workers, if they test positive for HIV.

Well people sometimes don't actually tell the truth because they really want to get the job but people are putting it on the medical info when they apply in here in my country they will accept a person that requires the HIV but really they are not to eat with us or share somethings with them but we truly accept him but not his HIV. Philipines is a very secure country and here i thought that country same as this also 10% people has a HIV and i am afraid to get one its uncured its very scary. People now a days are really earning cancer from one person and the case is having sex with a stranger that you no nothing about. Now that is very scary i really don't want to have HIV >.< i heard it will kill you slowly and surely die >.<

In my opinion, many countries accepting hiv positive person but its depends on their work field like if you are working abroad some agencies especially in Philippines it requires  HIV screening.

I believe in Philippines, you are not required HIV screening for your pre-employment. Are there any countries that allow you to work if you are HIV positive?