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Quote from: LbtalkL on November 12, 2019, 03:18:50 AM

Actually both are scary it depends on the situation, you invested on a project and the price dump and does not recover unless it is bitcoin because it will surely recover some altcoins will never recover and leave you in the dust.
Market manipulation is still scary but if you ride on the manipulation you can make it to your advantage if you made the right call but often most traders are rekt and jebaited.

in the world of trading and investment you must be able to have the courage to take the risks that exist, falling and rising and falling prices are normal and you should not be afraid when trading on cryptocurrency like bitcoin when prices fall in assets that you have only change the estimated numbers and can return when the price is already back up, so just think of it as a long-term investment that can be used for future savings.

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Quote from: TIDOVEE on November 12, 2019, 07:10:58 AM

Market manipulation can produce price dump, and not all price dump are as a result of market manipulation. Because some bounty rewards even in this period of price dump are still high because of positive manipulations which is of advantage. The price of the reward will begin to dump if you leave it over time. You rarely have any coin that is rising above the period delivered now. The both could be scary because price dump may last longer but market manipulation can still be countered

I believe it wasn't because of market manipulation cause it rarely to happen right now. The sudden ups and drops it wasn't a thing to worried about cause it normally happen all the time. What makes scary if the market will turn down straight. But surely it never happens which means that there is no need to worry about the current situation we have now. The market will surely recover sooner and see prices move back to the most satisfying price we want.

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Market manipulation can produce price dump, and not all price dump are as a result of market manipulation. Because some bounty rewards even in this period of price dump are still high because of positive manipulations which is of advantage. The price of the reward will begin to dump if you leave it over time. You rarely have any coin that is rising above the period delivered now. The both could be scary because price dump may last longer but market manipulation can still be countered

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Quote from: caffu chino on November 11, 2019, 03:51:22 AM

Hi all...
I want to ask, which of these two things is more feared by traders, market manipulation or coin dumps. both of these things always make the loss of traders from the beginning of popular crypto until now.

I'm personally very scared when the market is at an uptrend, but suddenly there is a dump that causes prices to fall very deep, even lower than when I bought the coin. that's why when prices go up high (more than 15%) I won't buy it. I better not get profit than get stuck by FOMO. while for market manipulation, this is normal. I'm not surprised by this, because I always trade coins that have a large marketcap. so the risk of manipulation is very low. and when there is manipulation I will definitely know.

how about you guys? which makes you scared?

Of the two things, in my opinion the most frightening is market manipulation. Coin dump will be able to recover if coins or tokens have projects that produce good products but tokens whose prices are the result of manipulation, it is difficult to get the trust of investors back

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Well dumps are actually part of manipulating the market, either to scare people into selling their coins or for big guys to take profit. Market manipulation is a pretty common thing in crypto, so goes with occassional dumps so i think there's no need to be afraid of any of them. As long as there are big whales who own a huge chunk of coins, they can always sway the market to their advantage or whichever way they want. We just have to learn how to adjust and to sway with these changes.

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For me I think market manipulation is better because things could still fall back on track rather than the Coin been dump which will make the trader hopeless

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I guess seeing hack news on an exchange you kept huge funds on and when trying to login you were told they have disabled login now till things are put back in place. this will even make one urinate on his body while awake because you don't know if your account was among hacked accounts or not...several thoughts would be revolving around you.

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Actually both are scary it depends on the situation, you invested on a project and the price dump and does not recover unless it is bitcoin because it will surely recover some altcoins will never recover and leave you in the dust.
Market manipulation is still scary but if you ride on the manipulation you can make it to your advantage if you made the right call but often most traders are rekt and jebaited.

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Not all the spikes are a result of market manipulation. In case a coin or a token goes up by 15% or 20% suddenly, then you should look for the reasons behind that spike. If there is a solid reason behind that rally, then you can invest in the coin (depending on your risk raking ability). But what you have said is true. In 90% of the cases, pumps are followed by dumps.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 12, 2019, 02:43:13 AM

There is no such thing as scary if you understand that its normal and you know how to play it.
Market manipulation could result to dump and pump, that is what is happening in the market, therefore you need to make some strategy to benefit on that.

Lack of confidence on this market is the reason why people are panicking and think its scary every pump and dump. The money you are playing in this market should be the buffer cash on your budget so you won't feel any regrets. I'm also scared to lose money, its normal but if you know what you are doing and you are ready to risk money then it will be fine to you because you know that you can earn that later.

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Quote from: caffu chino on November 11, 2019, 03:51:22 AM

Hi all...
I want to ask, which of these two things is more feared by traders, market manipulation or coin dumps. both of these things always make the loss of traders from the beginning of popular crypto until now.

Its important to understand the market and how it works. Market manipulation and price dump of coins are normal and been happening since before, but in my experience price dump is worse especially if this particular coin is not well-established like other coins that has a possibility to bounce back. But in crypto what matter is you know how to play every situation because there's always a way to take advantage it.

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In this kind of large market it will be difficult to manipulate the price.
You will need hundreds of thousands of bitcoins and millions with altcoins just so to make a big wave.

The sad thing though is whales could make it happen if they will do it at once. (discussed privately)
It could be dumped easily, specially if their share in a certain coin is way to large like 20 percent of it.
Somehow they could really manipulate its market in fast pace.
They love playing with altcoins though, specially the starting ones with cheap prices.
They will not go near bitcoin though for it is expensive.

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when the price of a coin has increased sharply or (15%) then you immediately sell, if you wait too long, then you will experience a loss. You have to play smart when there is a pump like that, the opportunity won't come 2x.

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There is no such thing as scary if you understand that its normal and you know how to play it.
Market manipulation could result to dump and pump, that is what is happening in the market, therefore you need to make some strategy to benefit on that.

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Which I fear when prices drop by -20% to -35%. Basically, in my opinion, market manipulation is only a slight decline and even then, for a moment, but it can harm someone so that the trend (bear) comes.

In fact I also hate FUD news, this is included in the category of market manipulation or annoying games. but buying a coin with a high marketcap I think is safe, no need to worry if it happens like this, but if the bad news is really real this is the most feared by investors. Maybe some of these traders are an opportunity to buy, if you feel the right analysis.

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Quote from: caffu chino on November 11, 2019, 03:51:22 AM

Hi all...
I want to ask, which of these two things is more feared by traders, market manipulation or coin dumps. both of these things always make the loss of traders from the beginning of popular crypto until now.

I'm personally very scared when the market is at an uptrend, but suddenly there is a dump that causes prices to fall very deep, even lower than when I bought the coin. that's why when prices go up high (more than 15%) I won't buy it. I better not get profit than get stuck by FOMO. while for market manipulation, this is normal. I'm not surprised by this, because I always trade coins that have a large marketcap. so the risk of manipulation is very low. and when there is manipulation I will definitely know.

how about you guys? which makes you scared?

Traders might worried about the market manipulation but I don't think they were afraid of since its an opportunity for them to make money in short or long term.And price manipulation and price dumps lead to the same result right?

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Market manipulators/manipulations with negative intentions.. . Manipulation does not really scare me, it's just annoying to see it happening while some pretend it does not exist.
Natural coin dumps are OK for me. They are somewhat predictable especially for the established cryptocurrencies

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Quote from: ameliana on November 12, 2019, 01:19:37 AM

both are scary, especially the coin dumping place. usually when the price of a coin rises unexpectedly like 20% above the average, chances are the coin is being pumped, as an investor or trader you must focus or continue to monitor on such coins, so you don't lose the chance to sell.

Buy coin with higher volume on exchange market to keep safety your investing and not scare with manipulation price, when you buy shit coin you have ready when price dump more than 300% because shit coin always have moment when have to pump and dump coin price, after you invest with shit coin you have sell soon although price is up.

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both are scary, especially the coin dumping place. usually when the price of a coin rises unexpectedly like 20% above the average, chances are the coin is being pumped, as an investor or trader you must focus or continue to monitor on such coins, so you don't lose the chance to sell.

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Those are just the same.
Manipulating the market is either coin pumping or dumping. As long as there is profit, the whales will do anything for it.
That is why it is difficult to trust new coins specially if the largest part of it is owned by one group of whales.
We as small buyers will be the milking cow.
It is not easy to ride with their flow because we will never know. Unless, you have some connection with one of them.

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