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So is "Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded" or not?

Remember, if you still think so that would mean the guy with the "Russia killed Skripal bc of the phony dossier" theory is a retard.






Trump: I don't think Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack.
TECSHARE: Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded!

Conspiracy Blog: Russia killed Skripal to cover up the truth behind the Steele dossier
TECSHARE: More proof! Libtards!, Witch Hunt!, Lock her up!

Twitchyseal: Both those things can't be true.
TECSHARE: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



You should try to be more objective.  Treating politics the way die hard fans treat their favorite football team just makes all your arguments in bad faith.
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So is "Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded" or not?

Remember, if you still think so that would mean the guy with the "Russia killed Skripal bc of the phony dossier" theory is a retard.




"Ukraine 'Anti-Corruption' Director Bragged About Helping Hillary Clinton In 2016: Leaked Audio"

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
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So is "Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded" or not?

Remember, if you still think so that would mean the guy with the "Russia killed Skripal bc of the phony dossier" theory is a retard.
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These are the main points I disputed to begin with.  I'm not trying to do anything slick.  You're the one posting stuff that contradicts what you said at first so I'm not even sure what your point is now, other than Hillary is Bad - Trump is good.  (You haven't contradicted the last one, but I found a report of a scientist that came in contact with Novichok and survived).

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

If he had information dangerous enough worth killing him over, they would have done it before he left Russia.

Furthermore he had a trip planned to visit Russia shortly before the incident. Why the fuck would they attack him on UK soil and create a very public international incident when they could have just waited a week and quietly do it on their own turf?

Finally, if you know anything about Novichok, you would know if it was that, he would be dead 100%, along with first responders and bystanders.


Well you dispute them, I am very proud of you. And?

My point is that these current events relating to Ukraine and the never ending attempt to reverse the results of the 2016 election tie all the way back to these attempts to cover up the illicit source of the Steel dossier, as well as the illegal FISA warrant that was based on it. This demonstrates a pattern of attempts to cover up this coup attempt by all involved parties including the UK, Russia, as well as elements within the US government itself. I am sure Russia attempted to manipulate the election process as well, the problem is more that there are factions within our government also doing so, and they have far more motive and ability to coverall of this up with endless frivolous investigation, media hype, and attempts at impeachment. This has all been crafted to cover their own asses.
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These are the main points I disputed to begin with.  I'm not trying to do anything slick.  You're the one posting stuff that contradicts what you said at first so I'm not even sure what your point is now, other than Hillary is Bad - Trump is good.  (You haven't contradicted the last one, but I found a report of a scientist that came in contact with Novichok and survived).

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

If he had information dangerous enough worth killing him over, they would have done it before he left Russia.

Furthermore he had a trip planned to visit Russia shortly before the incident. Why the fuck would they attack him on UK soil and create a very public international incident when they could have just waited a week and quietly do it on their own turf?

Finally, if you know anything about Novichok, you would know if it was that, he would be dead 100%, along with first responders and bystanders.
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That's literally the premise of the entire blog.  Did you even read it? 

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The Kremlin considered the nonexistent Steele-Miller-Skripal link as a convenient and timely combination of circumstances, an opportunity that it could not pass up.  Putin's regime had to prove that it was not Russian intelligence services who composed the "Russian dossier."  The Kremlin needed to send the investigation on the wrong track — ostensibly, this Skripal was the very "source close to the Kremlin" of Christopher Steele.  Moreover, supposedly, this is precisely why the buyers of the "Russian dossier" decided to eliminate Skripal.

In other words, the Skripal poisoning was a cover-up operation of the Kremlin, the purpose of which was to send the "ObamaGate" investigation in a false direction.

For the Kremlin, killing Skripal looked like a pretty attractive move that would explain much, if not all, to the court of public opinion.  It would explain the fact that the "author of the dossier" sufficiently "knew Russian material" and the fact that the linguistic analysis of the "dossier" showed that the text was written grammatically correctly and formatted according to MI6 reporting standards but that the author is not a native English speaker.

The fate of Skripal was decided — the agent "Forthwith" had to be terminated immediately.

That was a slick little juxtaposition you did there. I don't see the statement "the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016." anywhere in that quote, or the article in general. I do however see that it says "Christopher Steele is known to be an extremely left-wing mind, and he quite aggressively tried to help his transatlantic ideological soulmate, Hillary Clinton, to win the presidential election. "

No, not the premise of the entire blog, just the parts you want to cherry pick and distort to fit your bias. The fact is, even if true, the UK had just as much if not more incentive to attack Skripal. None of this explains why it was done in such a blatantly obvious and visibly "Russian" way. There are plenty of ways to kill people that attract much less attention if your goal is to cover up their connection.
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Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

I mean, the blog you posted claims that the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016.  Would that qualify the author as a retard in your book?




Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

Try picking your nose. It would be a good break from all the cherry picking you do.

That's literally the premise of the entire blog.  Did you even read it? 

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The Kremlin considered the nonexistent Steele-Miller-Skripal link as a convenient and timely combination of circumstances, an opportunity that it could not pass up.  Putin's regime had to prove that it was not Russian intelligence services who composed the "Russian dossier."  The Kremlin needed to send the investigation on the wrong track — ostensibly, this Skripal was the very "source close to the Kremlin" of Christopher Steele.  Moreover, supposedly, this is precisely why the buyers of the "Russian dossier" decided to eliminate Skripal.

In other words, the Skripal poisoning was a cover-up operation of the Kremlin, the purpose of which was to send the "ObamaGate" investigation in a false direction.

For the Kremlin, killing Skripal looked like a pretty attractive move that would explain much, if not all, to the court of public opinion.  It would explain the fact that the "author of the dossier" sufficiently "knew Russian material" and the fact that the linguistic analysis of the "dossier" showed that the text was written grammatically correctly and formatted according to MI6 reporting standards but that the author is not a native English speaker.

The fate of Skripal was decided — the agent "Forthwith" had to be terminated immediately.


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Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

I mean, the blog you posted claims that the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016.  Would that qualify the author as a retard in your book?




Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

Try picking your nose. It would be a good break from all the cherry picking you do. Also, no it doesn't. More expansive and selective interpretation to fit the confirmation bias of TwitchySeal.
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Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

I mean, the blog you posted claims that the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016.  Would that qualify the author as a retard in your book?




Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded
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Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.
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If he had information worth killing him over, he would never have been traded. Even assuming he did, how does it make sense to let him wander around the UK for years before killing him, giving him plenty of time to spill the beans? Why not kill him in Russia? Do you really believe spies don't  know governments are willing to kill them? That premise is retarded and more based on TV and movies than reality.
After the spy swap he was known to meet with intelligence officials in other countries.  He may not have known any big secrets that could damage Russia, but a former Russian spy willing to share all he knows would be valuable to any country.  

Do you really believe spies don't  know governments are willing to kill them? That premise is retarded and more based on TV and movies than reality.
No, I'm sure they know that.  Both in real life and the movies.



Your reasoning doesn't follow any logic. Either he has information that is dangerous to Russia and is worth killing, or not. If they know their lives are at stake, "sending a message" is not a valid or logical motive.

Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.
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If he had information worth killing him over, he would never have been traded. Even assuming he did, how does it make sense to let him wander around the UK for years before killing him, giving him plenty of time to spill the beans? Why not kill him in Russia? Do you really believe spies don't  know governments are willing to kill them? That premise is retarded and more based on TV and movies than reality.
After the spy swap he was known to meet with intelligence officials in other countries.  He may not have known any big secrets that could damage Russia, but a former Russian spy willing to share all he knows would be valuable to any country.  

Do you really believe spies don't  know governments are willing to kill them? That premise is retarded and more based on TV and movies than reality.
No, I'm sure they know that.  Both in real life and the movies.



Your reasoning doesn't follow any logic. Either he has information that is dangerous to Russia and is worth killing, or not. If they know their lives are at stake, "sending a message" is not a valid or logical motive.

Video of Russia sending a message to any defecting spies.
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If he had information worth killing him over, he would never have been traded. Even assuming he did, how does it make sense to let him wander around the UK for years before killing him, giving him plenty of time to spill the beans? Why not kill him in Russia? Do you really believe spies don't  know governments are willing to kill them? That premise is retarded and more based on TV and movies than reality.
After the spy swap he was known to meet with intelligence officials in other countries.  He may not have known any big secrets that could damage Russia, but a former Russian spy willing to share all he knows would be valuable to any country. 

Do you really believe spies don't  know governments are willing to kill them? That premise is retarded and more based on TV and movies than reality.
No, I'm sure they know that.  Both in real life and the movies.

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If he had information dangerous enough worth killing him over, they would have done it before he left Russia.
Russia traded 3 spies (including him) for 10 spies from the UK.  This could be a reason not to kill him.

Furthermore he had a trip planned to visit Russia shortly before the incident. Why the fuck would they attack him on UK soil and create a very public international incident when they could have just waited a week and quietly do it on their own turf?
I hadn't read that, do you have a link?
Maybe there was something he was planning on doing before coming to Russia that they didn't want him to do?

Finally, if you know anything about Novichok, you would know if it was that, he would be dead 100%, along with first responders and bystanders.

A reported case of accidental exposure of a Russian physicist to Novichok in 1987 described the following events:

He staggered out of the room, his vision seared by brilliant colors and hallucinations. He collapsed, and the KGB took him to a hospital.

By the time he arrived his breathing was labored. In another hour, his heart would have stopped. His entire nervous system was gradually ceasing to function.

The physicist was lucky. The hospital he was taken to, the Sklifosovsky Institute, includes the nation’s top center for poison treatment.

There, Dr. Yevgeny Vedernikov saved his life.

But the scientist was at the edge of death, unaware of his surroundings, for 10 days. He couldn’t walk for six months. He was dogged by depression and an inability to concentrate. He found it difficult even to read. To this day his arms are still weak, and he has never been able to return to work.

Although he survived, the gas left him with permanent disabilities.


If he had information worth killing him over, he would never have been traded. Even assuming he did, how does it make sense to let him wander around the UK for years before killing him, giving him plenty of time to spill the beans? Why not kill him in Russia? Why use a rare neurotoxin almost exclusively used by Russia forming an obvious link? This is what investigators call "an orgy of evidence" and is indicative of a frame up.

Do you really believe spies don't know governments are willing to kill them? That premise is retarded and more based on TV and movies than reality. Spies enter into their line of work knowing full well they are at risk of assassination or execution, meaning killing him to "send a message" is completely asinine. The key word in your scientist's exposure example is "accidental". None of this narrative adds up, except to people that think they are Ethan Hunt.

There are however clear motives for the UK to attack Skripal, and make it look like the Russians did it.

"At the time when Pablo Miller was recruiting spies for Great Britain, Christopher Steele was the head of MI6 in Moscow.  After returning to London and retiring in 2009, Christopher Steele founded private intelligence corporation "Orbis Business Intelligence."  Allegedly, Pablo Miller, a former recruiter, curator, and now one of Skripal's friends and neighbors, got a job at Orbis.

Therefore, when Christopher Steele received an order for fabrication of the "dossier" on Trump, the fate of an unsuspecting and innocent Skripal was sealed."

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/the_trump_dossier_and_the_poisoning_of_sergei_skripal.html

As we now know, the FISA warrant which was used to start the Trump Russia collusion investigation was completely based on the fabricated dossier created by Steele. Given their relationship, this is a glaringly obvious motive to attack him and frame it as a Russian attack. Using this method, they not only get to cover up embarrassing fabricated evidence from one of their own spies, but have a damned good excuse to ratchet up Russian sanctions.

Related: https://qz.com/1224822/a-linkedin-bio-reportedly-connects-sergei-skripal-donald-trump-and-christopher-steele/
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If he had information dangerous enough worth killing him over, they would have done it before he left Russia.
Russia traded 3 spies (including him) for 10 spies from the UK.  This could be a reason not to kill him.

Furthermore he had a trip planned to visit Russia shortly before the incident. Why the fuck would they attack him on UK soil and create a very public international incident when they could have just waited a week and quietly do it on their own turf?
I hadn't read that, do you have a link?
Maybe there was something he was planning on doing before coming to Russia that they didn't want him to do?

Finally, if you know anything about Novichok, you would know if it was that, he would be dead 100%, along with first responders and bystanders.

A reported case of accidental exposure of a Russian physicist to Novichok in 1987 described the following events:

He staggered out of the room, his vision seared by brilliant colors and hallucinations. He collapsed, and the KGB took him to a hospital.

By the time he arrived his breathing was labored. In another hour, his heart would have stopped. His entire nervous system was gradually ceasing to function.

The physicist was lucky. The hospital he was taken to, the Sklifosovsky Institute, includes the nation’s top center for poison treatment.

There, Dr. Yevgeny Vedernikov saved his life.

But the scientist was at the edge of death, unaware of his surroundings, for 10 days. He couldn’t walk for six months. He was dogged by depression and an inability to concentrate. He found it difficult even to read. To this day his arms are still weak, and he has never been able to return to work.

Although he survived, the gas left him with permanent disabilities.


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Trump told Theresa May he doubted Russia was behind Skripal poisoning

Guys we need a doctor here. I mean srsly an old man gone wild.


Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded, for several reasons. If he had information dangerous enough worth killing him over, they would have done it before he left Russia. Furthermore he had a trip planned to visit Russia shortly before the incident. Why the fuck would they attack him on UK soil and create a very public international incident when they could have just waited a week and quietly do it on their own turf? None of this narrative makes any sense, except to people who watch too many movies. This is not how intelligence agencies and assassinations work.

Attention is the opposite of what these people want, and if they get attention it is to serve a purpose. What effect did the large amount of attention generated by this incident have? Cui bono? Finally, if you know anything about Novichok, you would know if it was that, he would be dead 100%, along with first responders and bystanders. Once again, what narrative did this attack serve? It certainly didn't serve Russia.
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Trump told Theresa May he doubted Russia was behind Skripal poisoning

Guys we need a doctor here. I mean srsly an old man gone wild.
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But Im more concerned about your double spaces at the beginning of sentences. Dare explani?
If it is a constant double space, then don't worry. No secret messages are contained therein.

I would look very closely at the patterns of one who seemed to randomly vary single and double spaces at the beginnings of sentences, of course.

Smiley

Just kidding...
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The dems are just desperate to turn this back into more Trump/Russia narrative so they can distract from the crater that will be the democrat party after this info comes out to the general public.

What info?

You've already said there's tons of evidence.  But...of what?  

I'm not trying to attack or troll you.  The Hunter Biden $50k/month thing def looks like  there's prob something shady going on there...but, what is it?

No, you are just trying really hard to confirm your bias. See the other related thread here.

Are there any theories on what specifically Joe Biden was so worried about the Ukranian government finding out about his son?  Or even general?  Like, was it just about making money?  Or political?  



Heres my guess: Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in this Universe. When it comes to working in a large company, especially if its connected with the state there is always a reason to start worry, because you can dig up a lot of interesting things (if/when needed).

But Im more concerned about your double spaces at the beginning of sentences. Dare explani?
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Also -- the prosecutor had been forced out because of his investigation??? Isn't that what we're all saying here.

Yes, that's what you're all saying here because this is an echo chamber outside of my opinion. I'm glad you at least framed it as a question, because that's what it is: a question. We don't know the answer. Of course its easy to assume that's the case if you don't like Biden.

I do agree with you about the "conflict of interest" part. As I've said before I don't know what Hunter Biden was doing there other than using his last name to make big bucks. I'm not going to say Biden's conversation was "perfect" when he bragged about having the prosecutor fired. Perhaps that will become its own investigation, if its not already. However, I don't see him being destroyed over this. If he slips in the polls, perhaps it will just be a better entrance for my man Bernie, so I actually wouldn't mind it. I just don't see that happening, however. I think there's a 90% chance he'll still be the dem nominee.

Here's where I have a problem with the Biden thing and the accusatory, retaliatory Trump attack.

Just think for a moment about the underworld of diplomacy. Many things going on there between the world's secret agencies, frantkly a lot of it for the good. Biden worked for Obama, and there was stuff going on with the Ukraine, and in the middle of it, Hunter sits on a board and gets payments. We know the public side of the story, but we don't know what was under the table.

Reality may have been very, very different than the appearances. So we should given Biden the benefit of the doubt, because of these real world factors.

And that applies 120% to Trump, also.

Wait - No it doesn't !!! Not according to the Dems !!!

Really?
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