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Topic: While people stare at Trumps Ukraine comments, Biden is let off the hook. - page 3. (Read 810 times)

legendary
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The dems are just desperate to turn this back into more Trump/Russia narrative so they can distract from the crater that will be the democrat party after this info comes out to the general public.

What info?

You've already said there's tons of evidence.  But...of what?  

I'm not trying to attack or troll you.  The Hunter Biden $50k/month thing def looks like  there's prob something shady going on there...but, what is it?

No, you are just trying really hard to confirm your bias. See the other related thread here.

Are there any theories on what specifically Joe Biden was so worried about the Ukranian government finding out about his son?  Or even general?  Like, was it just about making money?  Or political?  



Burisma Holdings seems pretty obviously corrupt. Hunter Biden's level of involvement is unknown, but what is evident is he was hired in compensation for his father pressuring the Ukrainian government to pull the lead investigator going after Burisma Holdings, who coincidentally planned to also investigate his son. I would say all three apply to some degree. Please read the other thread, I would rather not repeat myself.
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The dems are just desperate to turn this back into more Trump/Russia narrative so they can distract from the crater that will be the democrat party after this info comes out to the general public.

What info?

You've already said there's tons of evidence.  But...of what?  

I'm not trying to attack or troll you.  The Hunter Biden $50k/month thing def looks like  there's prob something shady going on there...but, what is it?

No, you are just trying really hard to confirm your bias. See the other related thread here.

Are there any theories on what specifically Joe Biden was so worried about the Ukranian government finding out about his son?  Or even general?  Like, was it just about making money?  Or political?  

legendary
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The dems are just desperate to turn this back into more Trump/Russia narrative so they can distract from the crater that will be the democrat party after this info comes out to the general public.

What info?

You've already said there's tons of evidence.  But...of what? 

I'm not trying to attack or troll you.  The Hunter Biden $50k/month thing def looks like  there's prob something shady going on there...but, what is it?

No, you are just trying really hard to confirm your bias. See the other related thread here.
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The dems are just desperate to turn this back into more Trump/Russia narrative so they can distract from the crater that will be the democrat party after this info comes out to the general public.

What info?

You've already said there's tons of evidence.  But...of what? 

I'm not trying to attack or troll you.  The Hunter Biden $50k/month thing def looks like  there's prob something shady going on there...but, what is it?
legendary
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I really am trying to approach this whole Ukraine thing as objectively as possible.  9 days ago I didn't know much about what Ukraine has been going through for the past 10 years.  Then I fell off a latter and found myself with a lot more time to read than I'm used to.

I think Ukraine is a great example of today's Democracy vs Authoritarian fight.  

America and our Allies are trying to liberate Ukraine and protect them from Russia taking over.  You seem to be sympathizing more with Russia.

As expected, "but muh Russian collusion!"

The dems are just desperate to turn this back into more Trump/Russia narrative so they can distract from the crater that will be the democrat party after this info comes out to the general public. Unlike you, I have been watching this situation develop as it happened over the past 10 years and longer. You stroll in at the last minute, regurgitate some owned corporate media talking points, and pretend you are informed. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you don't know shit.
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I would say that it is besides the point and does not exclude other corruption. For there to be competing criminal cartels is more the norm than not. After all, his testimony is by far not the only evidence against Biden.

I'm not suggesting it would make other corruption ok.

Literally just trying to figure out if you think Yanukovych was working for Russia or Ukraine. (while he was the president of Ukraine)

Considering the close historical relationship between the two nations, and that Crimea contains Russia's only strategically critical warm water harbor, I wouldn't be surprised. Again though this is just an attempt at whataboutism to create false equivalency between the two factions and distract from the exposure of the corruption that is the topic at hand. Cue your what about Russia conspiracy theory here.

I really am trying to approach this whole Ukraine thing as objectively as possible.  9 days ago I didn't know much about what Ukraine has been going through for the past 10 years.  Then I fell off a latter and found myself with a lot more time to read than I'm used to.

I think Ukraine is a great example of today's Democracy vs Authoritarian fight.  

America and our Allies are trying to liberate Ukraine and protect them from Russia taking over.  You seem to be sympathizing more with Russia.
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I would say that it is besides the point and does not exclude other corruption. For there to be competing criminal cartels is more the norm than not. After all, his testimony is by far not the only evidence against Biden.

I'm not suggesting it would make other corruption ok.

Literally just trying to figure out if you think Yanukovych was working for Russia or Ukraine. (while he was the president of Ukraine)

Considering the close historical relationship between the two nations, and that Crimea contains Russia's only strategically critical warm water harbor, I wouldn't be surprised. Again though this is just an attempt at whataboutism to create false equivalency between the two factions and distract from the exposure of the corruption that is the topic at hand. Cue your what about Russia conspiracy theory here.
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Do you think it's fair to say that Yanukovych was more interested in keeping Russia happy while he was president of Ukraine?

I do.  And the same probably goes for Shoken.  

Probably < a pile of other evidence. Furthermore the two ideas are not exclusive.

Do you think it's fair to say that Yanukovych was more interested in keeping Russia happy while he was president of Ukraine?


I would say that it is besides the point and does not exclude other corruption. For there to be competing criminal cartels is more the norm than not. After all, his testimony is by far not the only evidence against Biden.

I'm not suggesting it would make other corruption ok.

Literally just trying to figure out if you think Yanukovych was working for Russia or Ukraine. (while he was the president of Ukraine)
legendary
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Do you think it's fair to say that Yanukovych was more interested in keeping Russia happy while he was president of Ukraine?

I do.  And the same probably goes for Shoken. 

Probably < a pile of other evidence. Furthermore the two ideas are not exclusive.

Do you think it's fair to say that Yanukovych was more interested in keeping Russia happy while he was president of Ukraine?


I would say that it is besides the point and does not exclude other corruption. For there to be competing criminal cartels is more the norm than not. After all, his testimony is by far not the only evidence against Biden.
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Do you think it's fair to say that Yanukovych was more interested in keeping Russia happy while he was president of Ukraine?

I do.  And the same probably goes for Shoken. 

Probably < a pile of other evidence. Furthermore the two ideas are not exclusive.

Do you think it's fair to say that Yanukovych was more interested in keeping Russia happy while he was president of Ukraine?
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I am not sure if you are aware, but Hunter Biden does not have any experience in Ukraine, nor does he have experience in the Oil/Gas industry. The position on the companies board was very likely to be a way to purchase influence from Biden. Hunter Biden was receiving $50k/month for nearly zero (if any) work.

As I've said before I don't know what Hunter Biden was doing there other than using his last name to make big bucks.


I don’t believe Hunter Biden was ever actually in the Ukraine. I also don’t believe he was doing any actual work for the company.
legendary
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I am not sure if you are aware, but Hunter Biden does not have any experience in Ukraine, nor does he have experience in the Oil/Gas industry. The position on the companies board was very likely to be a way to purchase influence from Biden. Hunter Biden was receiving $50k/month for nearly zero (if any) work.

As I've said before I don't know what Hunter Biden was doing there other than using his last name to make big bucks.

legendary
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Do you think it's fair to say that Yanukovych was more interested in keeping Russia happy while he was president of Ukraine?

I do.  And the same probably goes for Shoken. 

Probably < a pile of other evidence. Furthermore the two ideas are not exclusive.
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Do you think it's fair to say that Yanukovych was more interested in keeping Russia happy while he was president of Ukraine?

I do.  And the same probably goes for Shoken. 
legendary
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"We have all the evidence that the DNC colluded with Ukraine, but the media is deaf dumb and stupid as they always are and corrupt"
-Hannity

Is the evidence their talking about an affidavit from Shoken?  Or am I missing something here.

When Biden told Ukraine they had to get rid of Shoken in order to get any money (money = weapons), it wasn't just something he decided on his own, and it wasn't even just American money.  The G7 (which had just kicked Russia out for literally taking over a chunk of Ukraine) all agreed on it and most other EU countries were happy to see Shoken forced out.

Shoken was not just corrupt.  He was an anti Ukranian revolutionist, that openly went after the parties that were fighting for their independence from Russia.  He was basically a less powerful version of the president that had just been ousted.

Meanwhile, the G7 (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States) agreed that it was in their best interest to not let Russia keep fucking with Ukraine.  It seems like they genuinely wanted to offer assistance, but it was pretty clear that if they did while Shoken held a powerful government position, their 'assistance' would be a waste.

Bidens son probably did do something shady to get his $600k/ year job working for a company owned by a corrupt Ukranian.  But Biden wasn't the one behind getting Shoken fired.  He just happened to be the messenger for most of the western world.

My point is - Rudy and Hannity celebrating that they got Shoken to promise something was true is just...meaningless.  All they are trying to do is rile up half the country.

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First of all, don't modify my quotes. Second, regarding the photo, there is a big difference between yours and mine. Trump never denied knowing Epstein, and he rubbed shoulders with just about everyone in  power, so a photo of them together is meaningless. My photo however exposes that he in fact did have direct contact with Burisma Holding's board members in spite of his explicit denial that he ever discussed it with his son. Regarding the affidavits Giuliani has from Shoken are quite relevant and by far not the only evidence against the Bidens and others.  

As I previously explained, factions within the US organized a coup within Ukraine, leaving anyone with a legal complaint with no one to report the evidence to, until now. These crimes have been in the public domain for some time, but law enforcement both in the US and Ukraine were owned by the perpetrators. Now that both administrations have changed, that is all coming out, and it is going  to implicate more people than any of you can imagine as well as expose Russiagate as a desperate attempt at these perpetrators trying to cover their own asses.
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"We have all the evidence that the DNC colluded with Ukraine, but the media is deaf dumb and stupid as they always are and corrupt"
-Hannity

Is the evidence their talking about an affidavit from Shoken?  Or am I missing something here.

When Biden told Ukraine they had to get rid of Shoken in order to get any money (money = weapons), it wasn't just something he decided on his own, and it wasn't even just American money.  The G7 (which had just kicked Russia out for literally taking over a chunk of Ukraine) all agreed on it and most other EU countries were happy to see Shoken forced out.

Shoken was not just corrupt.  He was an anti Ukranian revolutionist, that openly went after the parties that were fighting for their independence from Russia.  He was basically a less powerful version of the president that had just been ousted.

Meanwhile, the G7 (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States) agreed that it was in their best interest to not let Russia keep fucking with Ukraine.  It seems like they genuinely wanted to offer assistance, but it was pretty clear that if they did while Shoken held a powerful government position, their 'assistance' would be a waste.

Bidens son probably did do something shady to get his $600k/ year job working for a company owned by a corrupt Ukranian.  But Biden wasn't the one behind getting Shoken fired.  He just happened to be the messenger for most of the western world.

My point is - Rudy and Hannity celebrating that they got Shoken to promise something was true is just...meaningless.  All they are trying to do is rile up half the country.
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Eh I mean I think everything has been confirmed in the broad strokes of what is going on here.

Bidens son worked for a company that was under the scrutiny of the Ukranian government.
Biden had been involved in the pushing out of the prosecutor that was investigating his son.
That's it.

That's the conflict of interest.

But that's the thing: Shokin wasn't investigating Biden's son. He was investigating the Burisma company itself. He even says this:



The investigation started before Hunter Biden took his role at the company.

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Ukraine’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau said on Friday it was investigating activity at Burisma between 2010-2012, but that it was not looking into changes to its board in 2014, when Hunter Biden joined.

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Ukrainian prosecutors have said they are not investigating Hunter Biden, but are looking into the legality of Burisma’s activities before Biden joined its board. Burisma, which denies any wrongdoing, has faced allegations of dodging taxes and of improperly securing licenses for gas deposits.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-ukraine/ukraine-must-investigate-joe-bidens-son-says-ex-ukrainian-pm-idUSKBN1WD0PK

Has nothing to do with Hunter Biden. I really just don't think Joe Biden would be dumb enough to brag about how he had Shokin fired if his son was actively being investigated by Shokin. That's because he wasn't. Its a non-issue. If new investigations need to be opened because of Hunter Biden's involvement with the company, that's another story. But it has nothing to do with Shokin.
I am not sure if you are aware, but Hunter Biden does not have any experience in Ukraine, nor does he have experience in the Oil/Gas industry. The position on the companies board was very likely to be a way to purchase influence from Biden. Hunter Biden was receiving $50k/month for nearly zero (if any) work.
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Slightly off Topic, but the story of Ukraine from 2010, when Viktor Yanukovych was elected till 2014 when he was removed is pretty crazy.

He basically just brought in a bunch of Oligarchs from Russia to bribe the right officials and milk the government and people for every penny he could.  Apparently he was averaging close to $2m USD every single day for alost 4 years in just bribes.

When he was ousted and fled to Russia, they seized the house he was living in and couldn't believe all the money he had spent on it - he had just been literally spending as much money as possible on himself all while looting the entire government.  They turned it into a tourist attraction.  Google Mezhyhirya Residence for pictures.

Manafort was working for this guy for 4 or 5 years, spending most of his time in Ukraine as a political advisor for the future Ukrainian President/Russian Oligarch.  I think this is primarily where he got all his money, and his taste for spending all his money, which meant he had to commit bank/tax fraud to keep it up, and now he will probably die in prison.  He likely would've gotten away with all the crime if Trump lost in 2016.  Small world.

The new President of Ukraine is a Comedian and Pianist. Very Talented.


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Slightly off Topic, but the story of Ukraine from 2010, when Viktor Yanukovych was elected till 2014 when he was removed is pretty crazy.

He basically just brought in a bunch of Oligarchs from Russia to bribe the right officials and milk the government and people for every penny he could.  Apparently he was averaging close to $2m USD every single day for alost 4 years in just bribes.

When he was ousted and fled to Russia, they seized the house he was living in and couldn't believe all the money he had spent on it - he had just been literally spending as much money as possible on himself all while looting the entire government.  They turned it into a tourist attraction.  Google Mezhyhirya Residence for pictures.

Manafort was working for this guy for 4 or 5 years, spending most of his time in Ukraine as a political advisor for the future Ukrainian President/Russian Oligarch.  I think this is primarily where he got all his money, and his taste for spending all his money, which meant he had to commit bank/tax fraud to keep it up, and now he will probably die in prison.  He likely would've gotten away with all the crime if Trump lost in 2016.  Small world.

The new President of Ukraine is a Comedian and Pianist. Very Talented.






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