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Quote from: ContentWriter on July 16, 2024, 08:59:55 AM

Who is the right guy to vote if it all depends on their stance on Bitcoin. Can we carefully read in-between the lines?

From the standpoint of bitcoiner, I wouldn't vote for any of them. Thank heavens, I don’t have this dilemma, because I am not a resident of their country.

Once these two candidates suddenly became supporters of bitcoin, everyone forgot what they had said about bitcoin before. Thank you for reminding of this. Politics has always been a dirty business, in which neither honesty nor decency is inherent. Politicians quickly forget words spoken before (promises). I wouldn’t be surprised if all this feigned BTC-positivity will change the vector of development to the position of BTC-opponents after being elected president. It is naive to expect the state machine to approve and accept a system (bitcoin) created as an alternative and, in fact, conflicting with the traditional financial system.

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Quote from: ContentWriter on July 16, 2024, 08:59:55 AM

Who is the right guy to vote if it all depends on their stance on Bitcoin. Can we carefully read in-between the lines?

Neither because "all doesn't depend on Bitcoin". You are living in a society with countless major issues like any other society and a president has to have some plans for each and every one of them and Bitcoin is not among the top 100. Not to mention what a politician says has absolutely no value, what they do does.

Neither one of these two are capable of addressing any of those issues. One is too old to have the mental capacity to work, the other one is almost as old but not as senile but he is too radical which is far worse.
That means the choice is between bad and worse, so either the choices aka the candidates have to change (assuming there is any democracy left in America) or you go with the bad choice instead of the worse and avoid the radical.

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Quote from: shield132 on July 17, 2024, 02:27:41 AM

Are you kidding? Yeah, Bitcoin went up 500% under President Biden this just happened automatically without his influence. Bitcoin didn't rise because of President Joe Biden, Bitcoin went up because of ETF approval and Bitcoin halving. Bitcoin would go up the same if Trump was a president today, this has nothing to do with Joe Biden.

It's not what Biden did, it's what he didn't do. He left the market alone and the price soared. Trump promises massive changes to the US economy and society. That is what he is running on: change.

A vote for Biden is a vote to keep things going great like they have been.

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Quote from: ContentWriter on July 16, 2024, 08:59:55 AM

Who is the right guy to vote if it all depends on their stance on Bitcoin. Can we carefully read in-between the lines?

No one is the right guy for the crypto, both are equally bad. Trump mentions Bitcoin lately because he wants to get more votes from people who support cryptocurrencies but at the same time his promises are terrible for real crypto enthusiasts and everything he said about Bitcoin is the opposite of what Bitcoin does and what Bitcoin community aims.
He wants to make Bitcoin centralized, Made in USA. This tells everything.

Quote from: legiteum on July 16, 2024, 09:47:46 AM

Bitcoin went up 500% under president Biden.

Trump promises massive changes to the US economy:

1. He will deport 5% of the US workforce, leading to massive labor shortages and shortfalls for things like Social Security that depends on younger workers.

2. He will make abortion illegal nationwide, which will require the largest new law enforcement effort in the US since the Prohibition (which begat the FBI, let us not forget). Such a crackdown is going to necessarily need to come after things like Bitcoin since it can be used to pay for illegal abortions.

3. He will surely manipulate the market for his own purposes, making himself and family billions of dollars, but at the expense of ordinary investors. (Trump could effectively make Bitcoin illegal with a simple order, and force Americans to replace Bitcoin with TrumpCoin, since the price into the toilet).

The safest vote, if you value your Bitcoin, is to stick with the president who saw the price appreciate by 500%.

Are you kidding? Yeah, Bitcoin went up 500% under President Biden this just happened automatically without his influence. Bitcoin didn't rise because of President Joe Biden, Bitcoin went up because of ETF approval and Bitcoin halving. Bitcoin would go up the same if Trump was a president today, this has nothing to do with Joe Biden.

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Thank you for bringing this out, I've never trusted Trump and I've been looking for a quote where Trump has condemned crypto in the past. The guy is only desperate to support cryptocurrency now for his campaigns due to the popularity of the industry. I only wonder why most people will fall for it, he has never been known for truth.

As for your question, I don't think any of them hate cryptocurrency, they do not just buy the idea of it and it is understandable. We should all respect their way of life on this, it's not everybody that will love crypto, especially with the way it is decentralised and can harbour a lot of criminality.

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Quote from: ContentWriter on July 16, 2024, 10:25:01 AM

Quote from: Majestic-milf on July 16, 2024, 09:32:03 AM

For Biden, he has been vocal about his stance on Bitcoin and that hasn't shifted but for Trump's case, we see that he's now pro Bitcoin in recent times because not only is it lucrative but it can also swing so many supporters his way as he bids for another shot at being president of the US. If you ask me, I'd say Biden really hates Bitcoin and won't be seen associating or buying it, whereas Trump can be said to be a business man who looks to thr currency that is holdinguch sway in the market. It's safe to call him an opportunist as well.
You can see in his speech that he promised to make sure Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are given free rein when he becomes president, promised to free Ross Ulbricht and also free Julian Assange.
As a crypto enthusiast, if you hear all these words, won't you be moved to cast your vote for him? But the question there will be; can he pull through with these words or will they just be that? Words.
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Trump may have shifted his stance and made some concrete statements in support of Bitcoin. That doesn't make things easy for him. It's a tough job being the president of the United States and still supporting Bitcoin because BTC's dominance in the financial sector could whittle down the influence of the USD. What's exciting about Trump is his shifting stance towards crypto. What's uncertain about him is that he may yet shift again after being elected and faced with the choice of supporting either the USD against BTC or letting BTC thrive at the expense of the USD. With countries like China, India, Russia, South Africa, and Iran seeking an opportunity to drop the USD as a reserve currency, it's the wrong time for a US president to fully back BTC.

That's exactly my point. You can't come out boldly, declaring big things that will favor Bitcoin but not the Dollar and not expect to be met with opposition in the long run and I don't see Donald Trump like the type of man to not cave under pressure. As it is, he's just using the fact that he accepts Bitcoin in his campaigns and also championing for it as a front; wait till he gets what he wants if it will still be the same thing.
If he can speak ill of Bitcoin in 2019, I don't see why he can't do it again six years later.

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Quote from: ContentWriter on July 16, 2024, 08:59:55 AM

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Biden says negative things about Bitcoin despite SEC accepting Spot Bitcoin ETFs already. I'm not from the US, but who in the hell wants a president that don't even know where to go down after a speech? Who wants a president that already has a dementia? Who wants a president who called President Zelensky as President Putin? I'm not from US, but I will not vote for him. As for Biden's stance with crypto, I believe he don't even know what he said about crypto in the past because he forgot it already. Cheesy

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I don't want Trump using Bitcoin to increase his popularity, but it is what it is, and he can use it anytime he wants to. Maybe his stance with regards to Bitcoin has changed already because of the acceptance of a Spot Bitcoin ETF, but who knows. This stance of him with regards to cryptocurrency and Bitcoin might change once he becomes a president again.

I believe Biden hate Bitcoin more than Trump because Trump is a businessman and maybe he sees the advantage of Bitcoin already. Biden might not even know the term "Bitcoin" anymore. If only I will vote based on how they support Bitcoin, I'll go for Trump.

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Quote from: snerd on July 16, 2024, 03:10:08 PM

You're a liar. The Supreme Court has already ruled it is a State's Rights issue, exactly as it should be. Do you liars ever get tired of lying?!

What are you talking about? There are already federal abortion laws on the books, and the 2025 project is very clear that a national ban is the goal. And Congress doesn't even need to approve if Trump simply fails to defend the ridiculous lawsuits against the abortion pill.

The Supreme Court's decision made it clear that any abortion ban could be state or federal.

After many decades of calling abortion "baby murder" in order to gin up the voting base, Republicans now have to pay for this rhetoric: they are the party of the abortion ban, and there's no getting away from that.

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Quote from: Zlantann on July 16, 2024, 12:17:31 PM

There are so many issues that voters should consider besides favorable Bitcoin laws. What is the candidate's plan for the economy, immigration, foreign policies, military spending, etc is also important. Crypto-friendly Americans shouldn't consider just Trump's crypto manifesto.

Exactly. This coming US election is almost entirely about one thing, which is:

* Abortion stays legal = vote for Biden

* Abortion is criminalized across the USA = vote for Trump

Everything else will just be an excuse for most people. Compared to this issue (for either side, given how polarizing this issue is), nothing else really matters.

You're a liar. The Supreme Court has already ruled it is a State's Rights issue, exactly as it should be. Do you liars ever get tired of lying?!

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Quote from: Solosanz on July 16, 2024, 09:54:39 AM

Quote from: ContentWriter on July 16, 2024, 08:59:55 AM

Who is the right guy to vote if it all depends on their stance on Bitcoin. Can we carefully read in-between the lines?

None, if you want to vote for Bitcoin, it's better to vote this guy. AFAIK he haven't talk anything bad about Bitcoin, although politician is always a politician, you can't really trust anything come from their mouths. If I could say, Trump will 100% win the election since he's always stand out than the other candidates.

It's sad he doesn't stand a chance. This guy would be the best president in my opinion.

When it comes to Biden vs Trump I've said it again and again. They're both old, but Biden is geriatric. He should be laying on a beach somewhere with a drink in his hand, telling stories to grandchildren, not trying to be a leader of a country, when he needs to be lead off the stage every single time he speaks.

It's sad, but they will both love bitcoin if it buys them votes.

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Quote from: Hazink on July 16, 2024, 09:06:00 AM

They are both indirectly not in support of bitcoin. Even if Trump is speaking positively about bitcoin now, that does not mean that he has good intentions for the technology; it's all about standing with something that can help his political agenda. That's all I see here.

So if you are casting your vote, it should be based on what you think the person can be able to do to help the country achieve more height and the citizen be more comfortable, not what they promised to do for bitcoin, which I doubt they will even keep their word once they achieve that political office.

Governments hate privacy and anonymity, so anyone standing and representing a government office, especially that of the US, can hardly stand fully with Bitcoin.

If Trump has come out in support of bitcoin, I'm not sure how that makes him not in support of it? Now if you asked me do I think that Donald Trump truly understands bitcoin and fully supports it do to the technological advances it's brought to our world, then I would say no as I don't believe either one of these guys has any clue how bitcoin actually works, what the blockchain is or anything of that nature.

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Quote from: ContentWriter on July 16, 2024, 08:59:55 AM

Who is the right guy to vote if it all depends on their stance on Bitcoin. Can we carefully read in-between the lines?

I still remember statements about Bitcoin in different years but I can't show the source.
2021 stated that if Bitcoin is a scam, the government must regulate it. In 2024, a statement emerged that the remaining Bitcoin that had not been circulated had to be mined.
Now, they continue to mention positive things about Bitcoin in every political campaign space.
I don't really believe what politicians say.

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Quote from: Zlantann on July 16, 2024, 12:17:31 PM

There are so many issues that voters should consider besides favorable Bitcoin laws. What is the candidate's plan for the economy, immigration, foreign policies, military spending, etc is also important. Crypto-friendly Americans shouldn't consider just Trump's crypto manifesto.

Exactly. This coming US election is almost entirely about one thing, which is:

* Abortion stays legal = vote for Biden

* Abortion is criminalized across the USA = vote for Trump

Everything else will just be an excuse for most people. Compared to this issue (for either side, given how polarizing this issue is), nothing else really matters.

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Quote from: Hazink on July 16, 2024, 09:06:00 AM

They are both indirectly not in support of bitcoin. Even if Trump is speaking positively about bitcoin now, that does not mean that he has good intentions for the technology; it's all about standing with something that can help his political agenda. That's all I see here.

A politician can promise to make everybody rich if he is elected. The problem is that you cannot hold them responsible for the promise they made doing politicking. They will give you many reasons why they might not fulfill the election promises. Both Trump and Biden have nothing to lose if they decide not to fulfill their campaign promises since both of them might never seek re-election if they win or lose.

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So if you are casting your vote, it should be based on what you think the person can be able to do to help the country achieve more height and the citizen be more comfortable, not what they promised to do for bitcoin, which I doubt they will even keep their word once they achieve that political office.

There are so many issues that voters should consider besides favorable Bitcoin laws. What is the candidate's plan for the economy, immigration, foreign policies, military spending, etc is also important. Crypto-friendly Americans shouldn't consider just Trump's crypto manifesto.

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Governments hate privacy and anonymity, so anyone standing and representing a government office, especially that of the US, can hardly stand fully with Bitcoin.

No politician or government will ever support decentralization. They will always want to monitor and control the financial dealings of their citizens.

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I would say no one should be believe when it comes to crypto. There are bigger issues for them to handle and your voting should not be based on just cryptocurrency.

Politicians can make thousands of promises about anything and everything under the sun. But they may not fulfill such promises after the election. We have many such examples. So focus on the bigger picture while voting.

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If you look more closely on the statement dates, they are all what have been mentioned in the past years now close to give years ago, which also tells that maybe by then, they were not interested in it and doesn't have much idea about what bitcoin could turn in the future as now what they have to require for in other for them to gain the public interest of all bitcoin enthusiast and investors in voting for them, that is why it is more difficult for us now to detect whether all these they were all saying are true or not concerning bitcoin or they are only trying to achieve their own personal agenda in politics playing games with bitcoiners.

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I believe some folks are so propagandized, they will never be able to see truth. The saddest part is they really think they’re doing the right thing! Sad indeed. Do your own homework! The information is out there.

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You don't need to lay emphasis on which of them hate it, rather which of them would help the Technology in the positive direction.

Donald Trump might not be a fan, but from his write-up I believe what he meant is running Bitcoin under a well regulated body in other to avoid criminal and illegal activities because of Bitcoin usage.

In essence both of them are standing on the ground of neutrality, except policies implemented says otherwise.

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Quote from: legiteum on July 16, 2024, 09:47:46 AM

Bitcoin went up 500% under president Biden.

The safest vote, if you value your Bitcoin, is to stick with the president who saw the price appreciate by 500%.

You keep manipulating people into believing Biden did miracles to Bitcoin.

Bitcoin went up over 3000% under president Trump.

Last time, you said you only said this about Biden because the Regulations did not negatively affect the Price of Bitcoin. I suppose this means the Regulations during the Presidency of Trump helped Bitcoin even more, considering the numbers Bitcoin made during that time?

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Quote from: dzungmobile on July 16, 2024, 10:29:08 AM

I don't support anyone, Biden or Trump, just share the figure to debunk the non-sense saying from you.

Bitcoin went up 500% under president Biden. That statement is true. Please check your numbers before calling somebody else names like that.

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