Topic: Who created the god - page 2. (Read 4579 times)
An extremely egocentric person with an idea to get millions/billions of people to follow and worship his/her personal beliefs to make people speak, act, dress, talk etc the way he/she wants everybody else to. The same way a snob looks down their nose at people and judges everyone that isn't like them. My 2 cents. *Casually walks away*
Now that He is risen and ascended into Heaven, His role as God is to remain patient with you for a time.
But isn't he omnipresent, so he was already in heaven? Also, "we are all god's children" but god sent his only son down to earth, which was also himself, so your god considers us all girls. 
Nature is a design in perfection.
...
When mankind destroyed the perfection,
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When mankind destroyed the perfection,
If it were perfection then obviously mankind wouldn't be able to destroy the perfection, because it would be perfect. It was clearly never perfect in the first place.
Come on BADlogic, this is beginners level 1 stuff your struggling with here.
Be glad that God doesn't show Himself in person to you. You would have far better chance at remaining alive in a Fukushima meltdown - or in the hottest part of the sun - than you would in the presence of God... at least in the imperfect form in which you are existing right now.
God could snap his fingers and fix that. You're just making desperate excuses. Weak ones at that.
The same as he could fix other problems in the world but chooses not to.
There's only two remaining options:
1) God doesn't exist.
or
2) God exists, but simply doesn't care.
Take your pick.
and
Wake up!
How much good stuff does God have to give you before you realize the reality of things? We have no source for the complexity in life except God. Evolution is an impossible lie. And we don't have anything else. Yet there are marvels of machinery built into all of nature.
God is a serious Guy. He built nature in a serious way. He put Himself into nature. He pushed with all His might to make nature happen as it is. The principle of nature is more than simply snapping fingers. Nature is a design in perfection.
When mankind destroyed the perfection, God maintained the perfection through His Son Jesus, Who died on the cross to give us salvation. And now you want God to snap his fingers and destroy the perfection Himself? Gain the perfection for yourself through the perfect Jesus-method that god gave. If you don't, you will simply receive the imperfection that you are asking for.
Wake up before it is too late for you.
What? You think that talking against Jesus like this is anything? Jesus took a lot more punishment when He went to the cross.
Now that He is risen and ascended into Heaven, His role as God is to remain patient with you for a time. But He won't always hold your self-curse away from you, so that it doesn't harm you. Change your ways, now, before your self-curse starts to do real damage to you.
Be glad that God doesn't show Himself in person to you. You would have far better chance at remaining alive in a Fukushima meltdown - or in the hottest part of the sun - than you would in the presence of God... at least in the imperfect form in which you are existing right now.
God could snap his fingers and fix that. You're just making desperate excuses. Weak ones at that.
The same as he could fix other problems in the world but chooses not to.
There's only two remaining options:
1) God doesn't exist.
or
2) God exists, but simply doesn't care.
Take your pick.
and
Wake up!
How much good stuff does God have to give you before you realize the reality of things? We have no source for the complexity in life except God. Evolution is an impossible lie. And we don't have anything else. Yet there are marvels of machinery built into all of nature.
God is a serious Guy. He built nature in a serious way. He put Himself into nature. He pushed with all His might to make nature happen as it is. The principle of nature is more than simply snapping fingers. Nature is a design in perfection.
When mankind destroyed the perfection, God maintained the perfection through His Son Jesus, Who died on the cross to give us salvation. And now you want God to snap his fingers and destroy the perfection Himself? Gain the perfection for yourself through the perfect Jesus-method that god gave. If you don't, you will simply receive the imperfection that you are asking for.
Wake up before it is too late for you.
Be glad that God doesn't show Himself in person to you. You would have far better chance at remaining alive in a Fukushima meltdown - or in the hottest part of the sun - than you would in the presence of God... at least in the imperfect form in which you are existing right now.
God could snap his fingers and fix that. You're just making desperate excuses. Weak ones at that.
The same as he could fix other problems in the world but chooses not to.
There's only two remaining options:
1) God doesn't exist.
or
2) God exists, but simply doesn't care.
Take your pick.
and
Wake up!
How much good stuff does God have to give you before you realize the reality of things? We have no source for the complexity in life except God. Evolution is an impossible lie. And we don't have anything else. Yet there are marvels of machinery built into all of nature.
God is a serious Guy. He built nature in a serious way. He put Himself into nature. He pushed with all His might to make nature happen as it is. The principle of nature is more than simply snapping fingers. Nature is a design in perfection.
When mankind destroyed the perfection, God maintained the perfection through His Son Jesus, Who died on the cross to give us salvation. And now you want God to snap his fingers and destroy the perfection Himself? Gain the perfection for yourself through the perfect Jesus-method that god gave. If you don't, you will simply receive the imperfection that you are asking for.
Wake up before it is too late for you.
Be glad that God doesn't show Himself in person to you. You would have far better chance at remaining alive in a Fukushima meltdown - or in the hottest part of the sun - than you would in the presence of God... at least in the imperfect form in which you are existing right now.
God could snap his fingers and fix that. You're just making desperate excuses. Weak ones at that.
The same as he could fix other problems in the world but chooses not to.
There's only two remaining options:
1) God doesn't exist.
or
2) God exists, but simply doesn't care.
Take your pick.
and
Wake up!
He created himself, out of nothing. Like a big bang.
Yeah I also believe in that. That everything that we saw is a creation and of course there is someone who created it. I believe in God the Creator. I believe that He is the genius in everything that we saw, feel, taste, and smell in this world. Everything is uniquely made.
Be glad that God doesn't show Himself in person to you. You would have far better chance at remaining alive in a Fukushima meltdown - or in the hottest part of the sun - than you would in the presence of God... at least in the imperfect form in which you are existing right now.
God could snap his fingers and fix that. You're just making desperate excuses. Weak ones at that.
The same as he could fix other problems in the world but chooses not to.
There's only two remaining options:
1) God doesn't exist.
or
2) God exists, but simply doesn't care.
Take your pick.
and
Wake up!
Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
There's no such thing as two choices when your omnipotent. There are only infinite choices.
Unless of course your god (the Jesus thingymajig one) isn't omnipotent, which renders it another one of these silly false ones.
Why do you keep contradicting yourself. Now you suggest that the Almighty is omnipotent, and yet He can't make it so that He has only two choices.
Also, your god creates people so that they have two options after death? Losing their free will forever and spending eternity praising him, or burning in hell for eternity? All I know is that the flying spaghetti monster has way more balls than your god. Why not just show himself?
What part of "God" didn't you see? God has the ability to be almighty in two choice or any choices or no choices.
God created people to be similar enough to Himself that they had many options. Then people threw it all away by choosing the devil over God. Then God sent His Son, Jesus, to open up the choices for people again. Now God Himself gives people the results of their choices by manipulating the universe according to the faith in Him that they have. And more than that, He further activates their faith for them in the direction they want their faith to go.
Regarding Heaven or Hell... God made people to last indefinitely when He made this universe, maybe even to never die. Then people threw it all away. God still wants people to live indefinitely, but the operation of the universe changed when the people threw away there God likeness. So, God is making a New Universe for people where things will be different in such a way that people will never throw their God likeness away again.
God is holding the choice open for people, as long as they live this life. Either choose God and the New Universe, or choose to remain here when this universe is dissolved so God gets His energy back from it, that He put into it.
Be glad that God doesn't show Himself in person to you. You would have far better chance at remaining alive in a Fukushima meltdown - or in the hottest part of the sun - than you would in the presence of God... at least in the imperfect form in which you are existing right now.
Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
There's no such thing as two choices when your omnipotent. There are only infinite choices.
Unless of course your god (the Jesus thingymajig one) isn't omnipotent, which renders it another one of these silly false ones.
Why do you keep contradicting yourself. Now you suggest that the Almighty is omnipotent, and yet He can't make it so that He has only two choices.
Also, your god creates people so that they have two options after death? Losing their free will forever and spending eternity praising him, or burning in hell for eternity? All I know is that the flying spaghetti monster has way more balls than your god. Why not just show himself?
Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
There's no such thing as two choices when your omnipotent. There are only infinite choices.
Unless of course your god (the Jesus thingymajig one) isn't omnipotent, which renders it another one of these silly false ones.
Why do you keep contradicting yourself. Now you suggest that the Almighty is omnipotent, and yet He can't make it so that He has only two choices.
Oh dear you are getting yourself in a pickle this evening.
He (according to you) has only two choices, meaning he narrowed them down from all the other infinite ones.
Do you even know what the word omnipotent means?
Well, it's obvious that you don't.
Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
There's no such thing as two choices when your omnipotent. There are only infinite choices.
Unless of course your god (the Jesus thingymajig one) isn't omnipotent, which renders it another one of these silly false ones.
Why do you keep contradicting yourself. Now you suggest that the Almighty is omnipotent, and yet He can't make it so that He has only two choices.
Oh dear you are getting yourself in a pickle this evening.
He (according to you) has only two choices, meaning he narrowed them down from all the other infinite ones.
Do you even know what the word omnipotent means?
Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
There's no such thing as two choices when your omnipotent. There are only infinite choices.
Unless of course your god (the Jesus thingymajig one) isn't omnipotent, which renders it another one of these silly false ones.
Why do you keep contradicting yourself. Now you suggest that the Almighty is omnipotent, and yet He can't make it so that He has only two choices.
Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
There's no such thing as two choices when your omnipotent. There are only infinite choices.
Unless of course your god (the Jesus thingymajig one) isn't omnipotent, which renders it another one of these silly false ones.
If God is so great and really exist why he does not stop all the nature disasters and let people die because they have nothing to eat?
This list could be endless i personally do not believe in god
You answered your question yourself. Here's what I mean.
Imagine that you were rich. You found a beggar on the street who was near starvation. You took him home in your Rolls, you fed him, you gave him new clothes, you gave him his own house to live in, you bought him some land where he could grow his own food, you gave him gardening equipment, you gave him a harem with some of the most beautiful gracious women around, you gave him, The list could be endless.
Then, the former beggar said, i personally do not believe in the rich guy who gave this all to me.
How would YOU feel?
That's an extremely good analogy. I would feel extremely used and angry, and certainly wouldn't repeat my generosity.
However.....
Old BADlogic hasn't been playing fair ball with us. What he conveniently failed to mention was that the rich guy was omnipotent, meaning he knew exactly what the beggar would do, even before the beggar was born. The rich person could of snapped his fingers and never let the beggar be born. But he didn't. Why? Because he was quite happy how it would all turn out. He was quite happy the beggar would eventually never believe in him. If he wasn't he would never let it happen.
Oh ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake, it was a delibrate deceitful omission by BADlogic. It was certainly not an oversight on his part that the key component that decides if his analogy was a good one or a traincrash fireball failure was missing.
It was a traincrash fireball of failure. (The same as 99% of his other analogies and arguments.)
The thing about this is that it fits everyone. All people die within a short period of time when compared to how long God designed them to live... forever.
Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
God made people to give them life. God made children. Take your pick. Use the little bit of free will you have to accept God and be on His side, and ultimately find salvation. Or reject God and His salvation for you.
Even if God seems to be unjust in your eyes, nobody can tell how unjust you are by blaming God for our choices.
Choose God and life... or don't.
I'm pretty sure my parents made me, not God
I have to ask my mum
If God is so great and really exist why he does not stop all the nature disasters and let people die because they have nothing to eat?
This list could be endless i personally do not believe in god
You answered your question yourself. Here's what I mean.
Imagine that you were rich. You found a beggar on the street who was near starvation. You took him home in your Rolls, you fed him, you gave him new clothes, you gave him his own house to live in, you bought him some land where he could grow his own food, you gave him gardening equipment, you gave him a harem with some of the most beautiful gracious women around, you gave him, The list could be endless.
Then, the former beggar said, i personally do not believe in the rich guy who gave this all to me.
How would YOU feel?
That's an extremely good analogy. I would feel extremely used and angry, and certainly wouldn't repeat my generosity.
However.....
Old BADlogic hasn't been playing fair ball with us. What he conveniently failed to mention was that the rich guy was omnipotent, meaning he knew exactly what the beggar would do, even before the beggar was born. The rich person could of snapped his fingers and never let the beggar be born. But he didn't. Why? Because he was quite happy how it would all turn out. He was quite happy the beggar would eventually never believe in him. If he wasn't he would never let it happen.
Oh ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake, it was a delibrate deceitful omission by BADlogic. It was certainly not an oversight on his part that the key component that decides if his analogy was a good one or a traincrash fireball failure was missing.
It was a traincrash fireball of failure. (The same as 99% of his other analogies and arguments.)
The thing about this is that it fits everyone. All people die within a short period of time when compared to how long God designed them to live... forever.
Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
God made people to give them life. God made children. Take your pick. Use the little bit of free will you have to accept God and be on His side, and ultimately find salvation. Or reject God and His salvation for you.
Even if God seems to be unjust in your eyes, nobody can tell how unjust you are by blaming God for our choices.
Choose God and life... or don't.
If God is so great and really exist why he does not stop all the nature disasters and let people die because they have nothing to eat?
This list could be endless i personally do not believe in god
You answered your question yourself. Here's what I mean.
Imagine that you were rich. You found a beggar on the street who was near starvation. You took him home in your Rolls, you fed him, you gave him new clothes, you gave him his own house to live in, you bought him some land where he could grow his own food, you gave him gardening equipment, you gave him a harem with some of the most beautiful gracious women around, you gave him, The list could be endless.
Then, the former beggar said, i personally do not believe in the rich guy who gave this all to me.
How would YOU feel?
That's an extremely good analogy. I would feel extremely used and angry, and certainly wouldn't repeat my generosity.
However.....
Old BADlogic hasn't been playing fair ball with us. What he conveniently failed to mention was that the rich guy was omnipotent, meaning he knew exactly what the beggar would do, even before the beggar was born. The rich person could of snapped his fingers and never let the beggar be born. But he didn't. Why? Because he was quite happy how it would all turn out. He was quite happy the beggar would eventually never believe in him. If he wasn't he would never let it happen.
Oh ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake, it was a delibrate deceitful omission by BADlogic. It was certainly not an oversight on his part that the key component that decides if his analogy was a good one or a traincrash fireball failure was missing.
It was a traincrash fireball of failure. (The same as 99% of his other analogies and arguments.)
No, no, don't forget! Free will and all that crap, right? That's why non-believers exist! That's why they absolutely deserve to burn in hell, which wouldn't affect you because your soul doesn't have nerves.
Best you don't mention the freewill thing around BADlogic. Sore subject for him. He's still smarting from that one.
We don't even have free will.
Even the giving of free will to mankind...
We MAY have free will
When speaking within the context of people who don't believe in God, or people who think that we have lots of free will, we don't have any.
When speaking in the context of God's point of view, we have free will to some of the extent of how much we believe in Him.
Remain ignorant if you wish. I'll accept God so that I have free will with power.
If God is so great and really exist why he does not stop all the nature disasters and let people die because they have nothing to eat?
This list could be endless i personally do not believe in god
You answered your question yourself. Here's what I mean.
Imagine that you were rich. You found a beggar on the street who was near starvation. You took him home in your Rolls, you fed him, you gave him new clothes, you gave him his own house to live in, you bought him some land where he could grow his own food, you gave him gardening equipment, you gave him a harem with some of the most beautiful gracious women around, you gave him, The list could be endless.
Then, the former beggar said, i personally do not believe in the rich guy who gave this all to me.
How would YOU feel?
That's an extremely good analogy. I would feel extremely used and angry, and certainly wouldn't repeat my generosity.
However.....
Old BADlogic hasn't been playing fair ball with us. What he conveniently failed to mention was that the rich guy was omnipotent, meaning he knew exactly what the beggar would do, even before the beggar was born. The rich person could of snapped his fingers and never let the beggar be born. But he didn't. Why? Because he was quite happy how it would all turn out. He was quite happy the beggar would eventually never believe in him. If he wasn't he would never let it happen.
Oh ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake, it was a delibrate deceitful omission by BADlogic. It was certainly not an oversight on his part that the key component that decides if his analogy was a good one or a traincrash fireball failure was missing.
It was a traincrash fireball of failure. (The same as 99% of his other analogies and arguments.)
No, no, don't forget! Free will and all that crap, right? That's why non-believers exist! That's why they absolutely deserve to burn in hell, which wouldn't affect you because your soul doesn't have nerves.
Best you don't mention the freewill thing around BADlogic. Sore subject for him. He's still smarting from that one.
We don't even have free will.
Even the giving of free will to mankind...
We MAY have free will
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