Topic: Who else is tired of this shit? (Read 4856 times)

What did you guys expect? Seriously?


It's very rare, almost non-existent that we get to see battles in the free market. And when we do, we see how ugly things get. We are witnessing a true, free market battle in Crypto-currency space right now. That's a beautiful thing!

Normally, in politics we vote and a majority imposes their will on a minority. The loser must it accept it as morally virtuous and take it up the ass. This one-size-fits-all solution called Government is imposed on a population of 350 Million and nobody finds that outrageous because they're all Socialist, flag waving, sheep.

Sure, politics gets violently ugly and usually comes to a head with mass genocide, but people quickly forget and who cares because the only possibility is Democracy, right?

We don't get to see the "alt-coins" in government because government is by definition a monopoly (lack of free choice).

When we don't get to see the market place of ideas in action, we don't even know how ugly it can be. Let me clarify: Debating and name calling can be ugly and nasty, but it sure beats a mass genocide under an authoritarian regime!

So we're all sick and tired of the squabbling, fighting, whatever. I'll admit that I am too, but we really need to change our perspective.

Things will work themselves out (provided government doesn't step in a fuck this up completely!). Miners, whales, etc. will be punished if they push their limits too far. They can get away with a certain amount because BTC is the only rock solid, store of value crypto at the moment. Don't worry, it can be dethroned, we just haven't seen things get to that point yet.

The market will work this out and who are you or I to say who's corrupt, greedy etc. or claim "the outlook is sad". Stop investing emotionally and diversify yourself so that you aren't overly attached to any one currency, including BTC!

If Bitcoin loses because of greed and corruption then that's absolutely fantastic! If you view it any other way, then I'd say you're probably holding too much BTC at the moment.

If only governments could lose because of greed and corruption... just imagine!

No way it's set up so that you can 'activate' ASICboost with a software update. Why would you allocate wafer space to equipment that isn't functional?

Recognize conspiracy type thinking and ignore it.

People (like me) who might be thinking that Bitcoin is a platform that can really transform the whole world and can really be a big push for human development can be in for a big disappointment. It is just like any other nice technology or development introduced by man and can also be corrupted along the way because Bitcoin or cryptocurrency has no power to change human nature. We are still bringing the kind of greed and selfishness we have and this is quite true with the raging debate in the Bitcoin right now. While we seem to criticize the world order as it is now and how Bitcoin can change the system, people in the Bitcoin community are sadly manifesting the same sickness and the same traits we want to avoid. This can be getting so ironic but not surprising to me.

Well if you are so tired of all of it I think you need to take a break and take a moment of silent or stop thinking about it, I think you are pretty stress out of the over and over topic and the nonsense that have been driven all people to be crazy with something about bitcoin well I will not make a rant because all of us are only human that need some rest with this kind of issues.

This has just turned into a pissing contest. Nobody is open for some compromise and everyone wants their side to win with whatever they are fighting.

I dont agree with you, because we need to make an agreement or reach a consensus to improve bitcoin.

The fundamentals are that Bitcoin's value is due to being able to trust that its laws never change. This is why whales store their reserves in BTC.

It is not pointless. And just because you are a BU shill, the reality will not change to accommodate your pathetic activity of being a pawn that Jihan Wu is using and will throw in the garbage when he is done using you.

when printed in black and white this outlook is really sad
and it is looking more and more like this to me
so much for an alternative to the FIAT system which we are all still tied to
nope it seems just as corrupt

I partially agree but was that what really caused Bitcoin to be valued so highly? Back when it started out, there were only whales, remember? And that's when Bitcoin was virtually zero cents. I think the "manipulation" is highly natural and only possible when there weren't only whales. In any case, they're like anything else: can't live with/without =)

Call me cynical, suspicious, paranoid, whatever. But it seems increasing likely to me that the Hegelian dialectic will be invoked: a major crisis will be provoked somehow, sometime. And someone will step forward, perhaps even Satoshi himself will emerge from the shadows to do it, and propose a drastic or radical change to "save" us all

And it will all have been one big trick, and the joke will be on those that blindly follow through fear.

This has just turned into a pissing contest. Nobody is open for some compromise and everyone wants their side to win with whatever they are fighting. In the past few days, I just take some breather to get out of this drama and re-calibrate my thoughts about what's happening. Hopefully, all concerned parties will come to a solution that will provide better future for BTC.

Controlling the price is one option with that setup, and exchange insiders are no doubt making that happen.




What concerns me far more is some "voice of reason" stepping in with a poisoned compromise in a situation where everyone is panicking.


This is a classic deep state/shadow government technique:

take a thesis (Bitcoin), create it's anti-thesis (XT/Classic/BU etc), then have a pre-prepared synthesis to break the deadlock (but make sure to plan the anti-thesis carefully so that the synthesis step is very appealing, but ultimately gives the deep state as much power as possible)


thesis + antithesis = synthesis was described by social psychologist Hegel in the 19th century, and is commonly referred to as the "Hegelian dialectic".



I suspect an attempt to create such an appealing compromise has long since been in the works, and some well known and very trusted figure in the Bitcoin dev community has been positioned to "break their silence" to promote such a move.


But it will be a pre-prepared trick. Part of the problem with all the fork-coups thus far is that the trolls are suspiciously obvious alot of the time. It's almost as if they want to be just distrusted enough to set up the dialectic tension. I mean, who can really take Peter Rizun and BU seriously, he was always a bit of a joke with his fanatsy gif charts and his MS Paint pictures of a "Blocked Stream". And Mike Hearn was always just that little too off-message in cypher-punk anarchist terms, no-one who caught the Bitcoin bug would realistically follow Mike anywhere.

Call me cynical, suspicious, paranoid, whatever. But it seems increasing likely to me that the Hegelian dialectic will be invoked: a major crisis will be provoked somehow, sometime. And someone will step forward, perhaps even Satoshi himself will emerge from the shadows to do it, and propose a drastic or radical change to "save" us all

And it will all have been one big trick, and the joke will be on those that blindly follow through fear.