Topic: Who else is tired of this shit? - page 2. (Read 4817 times)

It is very difficult to talk about rest, when it was not very long. Constant stress and time spent on the Internet with bitcoin trade, always get tired both physically and morally. Of course, just say that everything is tired, but when you can not do it without it, you will continue always and constantly.

Controlling the price is one option with that setup, and exchange insiders are no doubt making that happen.




What concerns me far more is some "voice of reason" stepping in with a poisoned compromise in a situation where everyone is panicking.


This is a classic deep state/shadow government technique:

take a thesis (Bitcoin), create it's anti-thesis (XT/Classic/BU etc), then have a pre-prepared synthesis to break the deadlock (but make sure to plan the anti-thesis carefully so that the synthesis step is very appealing, but ultimately gives the deep state as much power as possible)


thesis + antithesis = synthesis was described by social psychologist Hegel in the 19th century, and is commonly referred to as the "Hegelian dialectic".



I suspect an attempt to create such an appealing compromise has long since been in the works, and some well known and very trusted figure in the Bitcoin dev community has been positioned to "break their silence" to promote such a move.


But it will be a pre-prepared trick. Part of the problem with all the fork-coups thus far is that the trolls are suspiciously obvious alot of the time. It's almost as if they want to be just distrusted enough to set up the dialectic tension. I mean, who can really take Peter Rizun and BU seriously, he was always a bit of a joke with his fanatsy gif charts and his MS Paint pictures of a "Blocked Stream". And Mike Hearn was always just that little too off-message in cypher-punk anarchist terms, no-one who caught the Bitcoin bug would realistically follow Mike anywhere.

Call me cynical, suspicious, paranoid, whatever. But it seems increasing likely to me that the Hegelian dialectic will be invoked: a major crisis will be provoked somehow, sometime. And someone will step forward, perhaps even Satoshi himself will emerge from the shadows to do it, and propose a drastic or radical change to "save" us all

And it will all have been one big trick, and the joke will be on those that blindly follow through fear.

Cia did this many times 

I don't know what's going on with this wall of text thread or how the various bitcoin blocksize shit storm will play out, but I am starting to consider the following: if you had thousands of bitcoins and could create a debate within the community that divided said community.. and you had insiders on both teams.. well then you pretty much control the price. In other words, not only we're a lot of these devs involved in the original mining of bitcoins.. but now they control the shitstorm which controls the price. No wonder these guys are filthy rich 

BTC will never move on with characters like you around polluting people's minds.

OP, can you state your point of this post in 1-2 short sentences?   Too much quoting this and rambling that.   

It's maybe bleak Outlook but seen this sort of things happening many time, hard not to see the pattern  

But still need to have faith in positive outcome lol even when things seems hopeless and sucks, it's the best time to focus on positive outcome and find good solution  

I watched ares yesterday also  ( http://m.imdb.com/title/tt4216902/ ) might taint my view lol

Reminded me of this with big labs giving product to boxer to rig the match out of big interest and no matter how good the boxer is, if he is not sponsored by the good lab he has no chance , and all is around economics interest for big corps and speculators while  the boxers get all the side effect of drugs, with all corruption lol

But even italian football has good players, and can be fun to watch, but the whole betting side is rigged, and in cahoot with sponsors etc etc

But it make people think they can become rich and famous being good at football, but in fact it's just about following sponsor interest lol

Same with betting, you can  try to bet based on sport speculation, and make some win, but if you know the mafia you can get rich very quick lol

Seem the same with crypto valuation a bit, it is more indexed on knowing whales and miners moves, than on the technical or utility value of the coin.


It's always the same thing in the end https://youtu.be/Dw4rtERX0zw

Maybe segwit can improve micro economic aspect, and least move some of the current power/weight repartition, and make it more stable but hard to say

I'm going to provide a different perspective:


You're brainwashed!

What did you guys expect? Seriously?


It's very rare, almost non-existent that we get to see battles in the free market. And when we do, we see how ugly things get. We are witnessing a true, free market battle in Crypto-currency space right now. That's a beautiful thing!

Normally, in politics we vote and a majority imposes their will on a minority. The loser must it accept it as morally virtuous and take it up the ass. This one-size-fits-all solution called Government is imposed on a population of 350 Million and nobody finds that outrageous because they're all Socialist, flag waving, sheep.

Sure, politics gets violently ugly and usually comes to a head with mass genocide, but people quickly forget and who cares because the only possibility is Democracy, right?

We don't get to see the "alt-coins" in government because government is by definition a monopoly (lack of free choice).

When we don't get to see the market place of ideas in action, we don't even know how ugly it can be. Let me clarify: Debating and name calling can be ugly and nasty, but it sure beats a mass genocide under an authoritarian regime!

So we're all sick and tired of the squabbling, fighting, whatever. I'll admit that I am too, but we really need to change our perspective.

Things will work themselves out (provided government doesn't step in a fuck this up completely!). Miners, whales, etc. will be punished if they push their limits too far. They can get away with a certain amount because BTC is the only rock solid, store of value crypto at the moment. Don't worry, it can be dethroned, we just haven't seen things get to that point yet.

The market will work this out and who are you or I to say who's corrupt, greedy etc. or claim "the outlook is sad". Stop investing emotionally and diversify yourself so that you aren't overly attached to any one currency, including BTC!

If Bitcoin loses because of greed and corruption then that's absolutely fantastic! If you view it any other way, then I'd say you're probably holding too much BTC at the moment.

If only governments could lose because of greed and corruption... just imagine!

No way it's set up so that you can 'activate' ASICboost with a software update. Why would you allocate wafer space to equipment that isn't functional?

Recognize conspiracy type thinking and ignore it.

Well if you are so tired of all of it I think you need to take a break and take a moment of silent or stop thinking about it, I think you are pretty stress out of the over and over topic and the nonsense that have been driven all people to be crazy with something about bitcoin well I will not make a rant because all of us are only human that need some rest with this kind of issues.

People (like me) who might be thinking that Bitcoin is a platform that can really transform the whole world and can really be a big push for human development can be in for a big disappointment. It is just like any other nice technology or development introduced by man and can also be corrupted along the way because Bitcoin or cryptocurrency has no power to change human nature. We are still bringing the kind of greed and selfishness we have and this is quite true with the raging debate in the Bitcoin right now. While we seem to criticize the world order as it is now and how Bitcoin can change the system, people in the Bitcoin community are sadly manifesting the same sickness and the same traits we want to avoid. This can be getting so ironic but not surprising to me.

I dont agree with you, because we need to make an agreement or reach a consensus to improve bitcoin.
Bitcoin is decentralized, that is one of the reasons that it is so hard to reach consensus: some people are behind SegWit and some behind BitcoinUnlimited.

Also, both "fractions" act like they are the worst enemies, instead of calm discussion to improve the technology.
I think that in any case, we need to make transaction faster and fees might be lower (I hope so).
This year is extremely interesting for bitcoin, I think that 2017 is actually a "bitcoin" year. We hear so much about it in our country ( in regular news ) that im actually amazed.
Im glad that more and more people are going for bitcoin, but we really need to stop arguing and go for reasonable solution.

Like halving a determined distance at every step............the two points in theory bever meet,
A bit mind bending, but interesting nonetheless

when printed in black and white this outlook is really sad
and it is looking more and more like this to me
so much for an alternative to the FIAT system which we are all still tied to
nope it seems just as corrupt

"1.Introduction
Commerce on the Internet has come to rely almost exclusively on financial institutions serving as
trusted third  parties  to process electronic payments.   While the  system works  well enough for
most   transactions,   it   still   suffers   from   the   inherent   weaknesses   of   the   trust   based   model.
Completely non-reversible transactions are not really possible, since financial institutions cannot
avoid   mediating   disputes.     The   cost   of   mediation   increases   transaction   costs,   limiting   the
minimum practical transaction size and cutting off the possibility for small casual transactions,
and   there   is   a   broader   cost   in   the   loss   of   ability   to   make   non-reversible   payments   for   non-
reversible services.  With the possibility of reversal, the need for trust spreads.  Merchants must
be wary of their customers, hassling them for more information than they would otherwise need.
A certain percentage of fraud is accepted as unavoidable.  These costs and payment uncertainties
can be avoided in person by using physical currency, but no mechanism exists to make payments
over a communications channel without a trusted party.
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third  party.    Transactions  that  are  computationally  impractical  to   reverse   would  protect  sellers
from fraud, and routine escrow mechanisms could easily be implemented to protect buyers.   In
this paper, we propose a solution to the double-spending problem using a peer-to-peer distributed
timestamp server to generate computational proof of the chronological order of transactions.  The
system   is   secure   as   long   as   honest   nodes   collectively   control   more   CPU   power   than   any
cooperating group of attacker nodes."

Oh you mean like ants who work furiously but can see beyond the bark on the tree much less over the trees.

Insight will beat code every damn time.

Thanks for the insult, but frankly I think you should stay focus on your toiling away on code that has little relevance.

Those 3 lines I think are the most important.

Hello

Well not to sound harsh but ..

Yeah I think it's obvious by now what the world of crypto is coming at.

It's not going to help third world country to fight corruption in the financial world, or help micro economy.  It's just another toy millionere use to grab more millions from more people with gray area financial tactic in this unregulated world.

Crypto today are probably the most corrupt financial network. It's all about who you know rather than what you know. All about loyalty, not integrity.

If you know anything about real economics, you can say today 90% of it's value is a speculative bubble.

Can always pretend there is an hidden hand following market logic, but it's not the case, neither it's about investment in innovation, or for structueal development, it's all about clique making shady move for their own personal profits.

You can always try to understand the stake holders and mining farms and shakers and movers to put your stash on the right coin at the right moment, but it looks like italian football bet, french underground boxing bet.

All rigged up and you cant win big if you dont know who has stash involved. And it's not about knowing sport performance anymore. No more than it's about if coin is better than another.

For most people bitcoin is just a "get richer quick on the internet" scheme.

No need to beat around the bush for ever.

And im not even saying this to imply then what you do about it other than being angry about it on the Internet, or Go make your own

But need to face what crypto are today. It's not about technical innivation , or fixing financial world, developping micro economy, or any of this.

I partially agree but was that what really caused Bitcoin to be valued so highly? Back when it started out, there were only whales, remember? And that's when Bitcoin was virtually zero cents. I think the "manipulation" is highly natural and only possible when there weren't only whales. In any case, they're like anything else: can't live with/without =)

I thought programmers are very busy people they don't have time to post loads of crap all day.