There are a lot of self proclaimed micro-nations. Apart from the United States, which is one of the most famous ones, I have found this little "Chaotic Obscure MicroNation of Torriglia, in the mountains of Italy, lead by President Kremo:
https://nazioneoscura.wordpress.com/mr-president-lukha-b-kremo/#english
Topic: Who wants to start an anarchist micronation? (Read 7141 times)
OK, a little late in the day, but...
Roger Ver - a.k.a bitcoin Jesus - and Olivier Janssens are trying to transform a long-sought after libertarian ideal into a reality. As CoinTelegraph reports, the pair has announced that they’re in the process of creating the first independent state governed by libertarian values – and they’ve invited any like-minded individuals to join them.
The pair said Friday that they’re working with a team of lawyers to try and figure out how to legally create their own independent country. Ver is a longtime advocate of bitcoin who surrendered his US citizenship and became a citizen of St. Kitts and Nevis a few years back.
The pair have yet to disclose the location, nor has indicated what entry standards would be required.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-22/bitcoin-jesus-trying-create-sovereign-libertarian-utopia
Roger Ver - a.k.a bitcoin Jesus - and Olivier Janssens are trying to transform a long-sought after libertarian ideal into a reality. As CoinTelegraph reports, the pair has announced that they’re in the process of creating the first independent state governed by libertarian values – and they’ve invited any like-minded individuals to join them.
The pair said Friday that they’re working with a team of lawyers to try and figure out how to legally create their own independent country. Ver is a longtime advocate of bitcoin who surrendered his US citizenship and became a citizen of St. Kitts and Nevis a few years back.
The pair have yet to disclose the location, nor has indicated what entry standards would be required.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-22/bitcoin-jesus-trying-create-sovereign-libertarian-utopia
The physics of that won't work.
Thank you for your highly detailed assessment.
The physics of that won't work.
Brother, not only you alone believe in the idea of an anarchist society. Nestor Makhno had tried to create the commune, but Communists did not let him develop the idea that . We must understand that in such a society do not need any money and furthermore cryptomoney. All this is described in the works of Pyotr Kropotkin.
Personally, I would like to live in Israel Kibbutz.
I also don't believe in God. Moreover, Amosov made for people more than God, but everyone is talking about God and talking about Amosov I personally knew this great surgeon. Very smart man he was. And name me one good thing that made your God. Personally, I would like to live in Israel Kibbutz.
Brother, not only you alone believe in the idea of an anarchist society. Nestor Makhno had tried to create the commune, but Communists did not let him develop the idea that . We must understand that in such a society do not need any money and furthermore cryptomoney. All this is described in the works of Pyotr Kropotkin.
Personally, I would like to live in Israel Kibbutz.
Personally, I would like to live in Israel Kibbutz.
OROBTC if you want to argue the position of an extreme mad max world into a bottomless pit, then I won't stand in your way. That is why we are also working on an anonymous Knowledge Age.
My point is assuming a world that still has some semblance of law, respect for international law which they explicitly ratified on a country-by-country basis, and respect for property rights then I offer a proposal.
Btw, there is an incredibly remote (no airplane service within 1000 kilometers) island nation with only 56 citizens (who will I presume likely be impoverished if cruise ships stop running in a global economic collapse) which will be ripe for buyout in the coming global economic collapse.
My point is assuming a world that still has some semblance of law, respect for international law which they explicitly ratified on a country-by-country basis, and respect for property rights then I offer a proposal.
Btw, there is an incredibly remote (no airplane service within 1000 kilometers) island nation with only 56 citizens (who will I presume likely be impoverished if cruise ships stop running in a global economic collapse) which will be ripe for buyout in the coming global economic collapse.
Would The Philippines respect your sovereignty if someone bought one of the islands on the "margin" (remote)? Bet they would not, bet they would not respect UN rulez (technicalitiez) re "stateless people".
Only 56 people? It's not Nauru (my first guess, 10,000 there (Wikipedia)).
Ahh, got it. Pitcairn. I wonder how much they would want (and we pay them to leave)? It is (story link below) a British Overseas Territory, so might not be for sale. Would guess NOT.
Here's a story with pictures for the readers of this thread on Pitcairn, no one wants to move there (wiki also has an article):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/pitcairnislands/11418280/Why-will-nobody-move-to-Pitcairn-the-Pacific-island-with-free-land.html
Looks kind of nice actually...
It's a floating island. The promoters are attempting to make treaties with various nations and island nations, to allow them a place near their nation to build their floating island. Once built, it could be floated anywhere.
Nice. I hope they'd be able to share the technology. Many of the larger cities here in the Philippines are near the coastline and would probably be submerged when the water level rises.
I would think that, at least to start with, they will use some standard technology that's already out there. For example, many people are ignorant of the fact that you can make boat hulls out of concrete. Yet this is standard boat-building knowledge.
OROBTC if you want to argue the position of an extreme mad max world into a bottomless pit, then I won't stand in your way. That is why we are also working on an anonymous Knowledge Age.
My point is assuming a world that still has some semblance of law, respect for international law which they explicitly ratified on a country-by-country basis, and respect for property rights then I offer a proposal.
Btw, there is an incredibly remote (no airplane service within 1000 kilometers) island nation with only 56 citizens (who will I presume likely be impoverished if cruise ships stop running in a global economic collapse) which will be ripe for buyout in the coming global economic collapse.
My point is assuming a world that still has some semblance of law, respect for international law which they explicitly ratified on a country-by-country basis, and respect for property rights then I offer a proposal.
Btw, there is an incredibly remote (no airplane service within 1000 kilometers) island nation with only 56 citizens (who will I presume likely be impoverished if cruise ships stop running in a global economic collapse) which will be ripe for buyout in the coming global economic collapse.
Would The Philippines respect your sovereignty if someone bought one of the islands on the "margin" (remote)? Bet they would not, bet they would not respect UN rulez (technicalitiez) re "stateless people".
Only 56 people? It's not Nauru (my first guess, 10,000 there (Wikipedia)).
Ahh, got it. Pitcairn. I wonder how much they would want (and we pay them to leave)? It is (story link below) a British Overseas Territory, so might not be for sale. Would guess NOT.
Here's a story with pictures for the readers of this thread on Pitcairn, no one wants to move there (wiki also has an article):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/pitcairnislands/11418280/Why-will-nobody-move-to-Pitcairn-the-Pacific-island-with-free-land.html
Looks kind of nice actually...
It's a floating island. The promoters are attempting to make treaties with various nations and island nations, to allow them a place near their nation to build their floating island. Once built, it could be floated anywhere.
Nice. I hope they'd be able to share the technology. Many of the larger cities here in the Philippines are near the coastline and would probably be submerged when the water level rises.
OROBTC if you want to argue the position of an extreme mad max world into a bottomless pit, then I won't stand in your way. That is why we are also working on an anonymous Knowledge Age.
My point is assuming a world that still has some semblance of law, respect for international law which they explicitly ratified on a country-by-country basis, and respect for property rights then I offer a proposal.
Btw, there is an incredibly remote (no airplane service within 1000 kilometers) island nation with only 56 citizens (who will I presume likely be impoverished if cruise ships stop running in a global economic collapse) which will be ripe for buyout in the coming global economic collapse.
My point is assuming a world that still has some semblance of law, respect for international law which they explicitly ratified on a country-by-country basis, and respect for property rights then I offer a proposal.
Btw, there is an incredibly remote (no airplane service within 1000 kilometers) island nation with only 56 citizens (who will I presume likely be impoverished if cruise ships stop running in a global economic collapse) which will be ripe for buyout in the coming global economic collapse.
Would The Philippines respect your sovereignty if someone bought one of the islands on the "margin" (remote)? Bet they would not, bet they would not respect UN rulez (technicalitiez) re "stateless people".
Only 56 people? It's not Nauru (my first guess, 10,000 there (Wikipedia)).
Ahh, got it. Pitcairn. I wonder how much they would want (and we pay them to leave)? It is (story link below) a British Overseas Territory, so might not be for sale. Would guess NOT.
Here's a story with pictures for the readers of this thread on Pitcairn, no one wants to move there (wiki also has an article):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/pitcairnislands/11418280/Why-will-nobody-move-to-Pitcairn-the-Pacific-island-with-free-land.html
Looks kind of nice actually...
It's a floating island. The promoters are attempting to make treaties with various nations and island nations, to allow them a place near their nation to build their floating island. Once built, it could be floated anywhere.
Call me paranoid but unless that design can float, it would be in danger of the polar icecaps melting or any number of natural disasters that occur fairly regularly...
I think the walls are pretty high.
Tbh. I think instead of building walls the city should be able to submerge but then depending on the size of the city that would be very hard to do.
It's a floating island. Look it up on the Net.
i would suggest a ring road to link the islands at the outer perimeter because you dont want the congestion of the whole island having to pass through the central bottleneck for anyone to get anywhere
only having 1 route through the centre to get from a to b
Let them know at their website - http://www.seasteading.org/. Get on their email list. They like to hear all the suggestions that they can. You might even pre-purchase a spot for when they eventually get it going.
OROBTC if you want to argue the position of an extreme mad max world into a bottomless pit, then I won't stand in your way. That is why we are also working on an anonymous Knowledge Age.
My point is assuming a world that still has some semblance of law, respect for international law which they explicitly ratified on a country-by-country basis, and respect for property rights then I offer a proposal.
Btw, there is an incredibly remote (no airplane service within 1000 kilometers) island nation with only 56 citizens (who will I presume likely be impoverished if cruise ships stop running in a global economic collapse) which will be ripe for buyout in the coming global economic collapse.
My point is assuming a world that still has some semblance of law, respect for international law which they explicitly ratified on a country-by-country basis, and respect for property rights then I offer a proposal.
Btw, there is an incredibly remote (no airplane service within 1000 kilometers) island nation with only 56 citizens (who will I presume likely be impoverished if cruise ships stop running in a global economic collapse) which will be ripe for buyout in the coming global economic collapse.
Would The Philippines respect your sovereignty if someone bought one of the islands on the "margin" (remote)? Bet they would not, bet they would not respect UN rulez (technicalitiez) re "stateless people".
Only 56 people? It's not Nauru (my first guess, 10,000 there (Wikipedia)).
Ahh, got it. Pitcairn. I wonder how much they would want (and we pay them to leave)? It is (story link below) a British Overseas Territory, so might not be for sale. Would guess NOT.
Here's a story with pictures for the readers of this thread on Pitcairn, no one wants to move there (wiki also has an article):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/pitcairnislands/11418280/Why-will-nobody-move-to-Pitcairn-the-Pacific-island-with-free-land.html
Looks kind of nice actually...
My country can't even assert its sovereignty on its own islands. Those islands the Chinese took aren't going to be retaken any time soon. If an island-nation would suddenly pop into existence within our borders (well we don't have land borders so it's easier) I'd prefer that it don't have the capability to annex more islands. Who knows, if it develop into something like Singapore, then great, we have a nearby trade partner.
Call me paranoid but unless that design can float, it would be in danger of the polar icecaps melting or any number of natural disasters that occur fairly regularly...
I think the walls are pretty high.
Tbh. I think instead of building walls the city should be able to submerge but then depending on the size of the city that would be very hard to do.
It's a floating island. Look it up on the Net.
i would suggest a ring road to link the islands at the outer perimeter because you dont want the congestion of the whole island having to pass through the central bottleneck for anyone to get anywhere
only having 1 route through the centre to get from a to b
Call me paranoid but unless that design can float, it would be in danger of the polar icecaps melting or any number of natural disasters that occur fairly regularly...
I think the walls are pretty high.
Tbh. I think instead of building walls the city should be able to submerge but then depending on the size of the city that would be very hard to do.
It's a floating island. Look it up on the Net.
Call me paranoid but unless that design can float, it would be in danger of the polar icecaps melting or any number of natural disasters that occur fairly regularly...
I think the walls are pretty high.
Tbh. I think instead of building walls the city should be able to submerge but then depending on the size of the city that would be very hard to do.
Call me paranoid but unless that design can float, it would be in danger of the polar icecaps melting or any number of natural disasters that occur fairly regularly...
People without any knowledge of anarchism equate anarchy with chaos and bloodshed, and I agree that such a thing would happen if governments just disappeared.
Anarchism is a political philosophy in which the members do away with all laws and governments. (At least, that's how I understand it.)That's right, anarchism also has its own rules that must be strictly implement. It is not chaos, but has its own system with its own rules
I hate the Australian government with every fibre of my being, good luck to the old man. They will try to bankrupt him, they don't care, they are soulless thieving pigs. I think to attempt something like this today would be an extremely expensive and stressful exercise, the government will happily waste millions of tax payer dollars attacking people who try it.
King Leonard managed this with Hutt River province in Australia... I've been there, creepy place lol. He has his own money and crown and he sells ambassadorships so people can claim ambassadorial rights abroad lol.
This is a bit like bitnation too - except that's bordlerless and quite serious :/.
This is a bit like bitnation too - except that's bordlerless and quite serious :/.
Yeah Prince of Hutt River is now in the news...
New idea is to declare independence from Australia and allegiance to the U.K. commonwealth:
The Australian government is destroying everything for money: http://www.topherfield.net/ato-takes-hutt-river-province/
Here are some prior discussion of other ideas:
New Zealand – Bucking the Trend to Move Cashless?
You can remain a non-tax resident in New Zealand by not staying there more than 183 days out of every 12 months. If you do become a tax resident, you get 2 years of tax free on worldwide income (not only domestic income). And then you can become a non-tax resident again by being outside the country for 325 days in a year:
http://www.ird.govt.nz/forms-guides/keyword/e-commerce/ir292-guide-nz-tax-residence.html
Remember Kim Dotcom has chosen NZ for his safe haven. NZ does have the north-westerlies which make some people very moody, but apparently this can be avoided seasonally and also living on the main island.
You can remain a non-tax resident in New Zealand by not staying there more than 183 days out of every 12 months. If you do become a tax resident, you get 2 years of tax free on worldwide income (not only domestic income). And then you can become a non-tax resident again by being outside the country for 325 days in a year:
http://www.ird.govt.nz/forms-guides/keyword/e-commerce/ir292-guide-nz-tax-residence.html
Remember Kim Dotcom has chosen NZ for his safe haven. NZ does have the north-westerlies which make some people very moody, but apparently this can be avoided seasonally and also living on the main island.
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One of my correspondents (and her family) was from Australia having moved there after Rhodesia became Zimbabwe. She wanted OUT of Oz for the reasons mentioned above: even greater Socialist tendencies than the USA.
She, last I heard, has settle on PARAGUAY! Paraguay (which I visited once almost 30 years ago) is a very backwater place, but I thought it was rather tranquil. I would bet it is CHEAP. Paraguay's Eastern Chaco region has the cheapest biomass for sale on the planet. Lots of big & remote places (as in no decent road access) are on sale. WATER is the main problem. Lots of sun though, good for solar power.
PY is corrupt, but they all are in S. America. Brazilians are starting to take over (by migration similar to Mexican informal invasion into the USA) the eastern part of the country.
If you want to be left alone, the Paraguayan Chaco is a place you can disappear.
One of my correspondents (and her family) was from Australia having moved there after Rhodesia became Zimbabwe. She wanted OUT of Oz for the reasons mentioned above: even greater Socialist tendencies than the USA.
She, last I heard, has settle on PARAGUAY! Paraguay (which I visited once almost 30 years ago) is a very backwater place, but I thought it was rather tranquil. I would bet it is CHEAP. Paraguay's Eastern Chaco region has the cheapest biomass for sale on the planet. Lots of big & remote places (as in no decent road access) are on sale. WATER is the main problem. Lots of sun though, good for solar power.
PY is corrupt, but they all are in S. America. Brazilians are starting to take over (by migration similar to Mexican informal invasion into the USA) the eastern part of the country.
If you want to be left alone, the Paraguayan Chaco is a place you can disappear.
OROBTC, as I wrote in my reply to you in the MA thread, Paraguay is good for residency and citizenship, but not for living. Problems with the rebels in the Chaco area. Problems with drugs and crime infestation in the cities. Perhaps it is not as bad as the stories on the internet? (I remember stories on the internet of how bad it was in Mindanao, yet I've been here on and off for 25 years)
The way to live in S.A. is Paraguay citizenship and tourist living in Argentina. Or if you prefer substitute any tax haven citizenship for Paraguay, such as Dominica, Pitcairn island, etc..
If you want a place to escape from crime and do what ever you want (including your guns), then look for a Pacific island to buy. Some of us could pool our resources to do that if we were serious.
Yeah Australia looks like it is being taken over by the Communist Chinese as well, who are buying up the land. And they turned Wikileaks founder Assange over the USA. And they highly regulate guns which is so strange for a country that is mostly wide open farms. But Australia is more first world and safer than S.A. countries (and also incredibly expensive).
Anarchist micronation? More than that is happening right now in Europe. All Europe is becoming one big Muslim anarchist "micronation" from all the Muslim immigrants coming in from the Islamic countries.
Watch this video or one of the other copies at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQkE13m8j0.
Watch this video or one of the other copies at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQkE13m8j0.
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