Topic: Who wants to start an anarchist micronation? - page 5. (Read 7196 times)

I am only convincing those people who matter, because as Linus Torvalds explained well, "most people are morons" and thus they can never understand.

popcorn1 is apparently a prime example because he can't seem to comprehend that rewarding habitual, willful failure is a human eugenics (potentially extinction) paradigm, due to the resiliency that is only attainable with Taleb's Anti-fragility, i.e. not overcommitting to egregious error which all collectives/politics inherently do.

And actually I am not trying to convince in this thread. I am just gathering a poll and feedback on how many people rationalize similarly to myself. Also to brainstorm potential solutions and dismiss non-solutions and impractical ideas.

It is also serves to be an "in your face" middle finger to socialist pigs. I get a kick out of that, but I wouldn't start a thread just to annoy socialists. I need to have some real work achievement goal in mind. This thread is gathering data. Everyone who contributes to the thread is appreciated (popcorn1 included), despite diametrical philosophical and political views expressed.

betting 100€ that it wont work out


micronations especially one like this will for always be only a dream.

You shall avoid at all costs to become stateless, that should kill your right to travel. I like more the idea of an anonymous knowledge age. Somehow, I kinda live in it already, with my passport in my pocket. I'm physically present in a country, and I'm even working there despite not having the right to work, but there isn't the slightest link between me and that country. I shall leave before one occurs.

i do understand its you who thinks you can make a better system than our UK system
see what is stopping you from doing what you want ..go live on some island and make a new system that you think is fair..
your not looking at the bigger picture you only care for people with money other wise why say i need to buy land I GOT NO MONEY TO BUY ANY

now if you tried to build a micronation with your rules you need to invite people for free now do you get it
free house free education and a job for me to earn a crust
then i might come and live in your land of rules

see you need to think about population explosion.. will start off all good and well but as time goes on then what..
say we have a drought and my carrots don.t grow
say population rate grows how do we keep every one in a job
say i invent a robot and wipe half the jobs out
then what do the people do on our new island of new rules with not many jobs left
your not thinking about the negatives only the positives how do you cope with all the negatives
it takes 100s of years to make a good system and as time goes by you make more rules to fit the time
if life is all about money then many will suffer
some people in life are stronger and cleverer than most people they end up with the money
so what about the weak do you kill them or help them
well if you help them have you not just become a nanny state

how did USA get its people they give away land for free to farm
how did Australia  get it people they offered free land to farm

What do you mean "if"? Don't they routinely use Project Fridays / 20% time for wholesale subterfuge anyway? Somebody has to work on all those large FOSS projects that mysteriously keep-up with the likes of MS Office, Photoshop, or Google Maps. Or maybe I'm being overenthusiastic. (I'm still thinking about the economics there.)

You could... guide people in that department. As for having a sovereign island/principality, you seem to be reacting to some kind of fear. (I heard that Australia has at least one of those, so you could probably just speak with them and find out what the issues are). The fear of big bad government is controlling you. Maybe you're legitimately onto something, but you need to be able to present your story in a way will inspire and cut through the average person's scepticism. I've heard you complain along those lines before, inviting others to "do the explaining". Well, write a book. If you don't know how, try it out. Disguise it as science fiction. Why suffer trying to 'convince' people, when you could plant ideas that take on a life of their own?

But Russia are the good guys because they provided safe habor for Snowden right?

Wrong! The axis powers are in bed together.

Just do a little research on how Larry Summers was over there in Russia after fall of the Iron Curtain helping to redistribute nationalized assets to oligarchs. Follow the money trail to Goldman Sachs, LTCM, the collapse of Russian bonds, Edmond Safra, Martin Armstrong, etc...

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/armstrong-economics-behind-the-curtain-the-full-monty-0110.pdf

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/looking-behind-the-curtain4909.pdf


Btw, there was Goldman again writing derivatives to help Greece hide its fiscal negligence so it could be fully bankrupted in the coming conflagration.

It is one big 0.001% club, and you the 99% people ain't in it.

I rather instead fancy letting the Brits occupy a remote island, but unlike the Falklands where they had the support of the local population, in this case where the citizens are in absentia accused of being stateless persons and refugees in other countries (those host countries bound by a UN Convention on Stateless Persons). A standoff of sorts.

The point was let them violate the sovereignty of Pitcairn if they want to, under the watchful eye of the people of the world. Let them try to spin their propaganda on the airwaves, while the truth leaks out through 100s of anonymous blogs on the new anonymous internet. Let the Brits destroy the peaceful lives of the descendants of the original settlers.

Maybe along the way, hackers (such as Anonymous) with new untraceable drone technology that sinks every British supply ship that tries to resupply their occupying troops.

You are highly underestimating the power of programmers and math in this coming Knowledge Age.

If ever 100,000 programmers and mathematicians turn against the 0.001%, the 0.001% will be burnt toast.

I think also you perhaps ignored the part of the OP that talks about trying to negotiate treaties with the competing claimants on sovereignty, e.g. some treaty by which the Brits retain some influence if they back off from a direct confrontation. TPTB have to calculate their potential losses from a direct confrontation. The point is to make it less costly for them to accede some sovereignty than for them to try to bully their way.

Imagine the lone student standing in front of the tanks at Tiananmen Square that led to the fall of the Iron Curtain in China.

Chickenshit All talk, no action.
If self-flagellation and voluntary imprisonment, to avoid the spectre of government of course, is your thing then go for it.

What's the difference between a remote "sovereign" island, and a remote "prison" island? The name.

You're probably making it far too complicated btw. Couldn't you just sue the Brits for negligently putting Pitcairn in the path of your expensive container ship?

Then buy them out as part of the settlement.

Redecorate the ship with a landing strip. Problem solved! Until the next storm...

It would probably be a waste of your skills though. Get back to programming. Stop caring so much about imaginary monsters. Make some apps to help people. You've fallen into the trap of being an "expert", who tries to improve the world while forgetting that you're the one learning.

You talk to the Brits first, because bureaucracy is fascinating, and use your social skills with the locals later.

Please point out to the senile Noam Chomsky that he is describing democracy, where the 0.001% (the unaccountable private owners of the governments) convince the 99% to tax the 1%, which is really a tax on the 99.999%.

Any inane socialist pigheaded questions?

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/16385


http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35453


http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/23950


http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/26331

popcorn1, you didn't understand my replies, so I will not clutter this thread with more replies that you wouldn't understand. Best to you.

:-\so is that not a type of benefit system then
so you don.t like giving money to the government to pay for welfare but you will give me money if i live in another country to buy a house  
so what about all my friends they got no money will you help them too or just me 1 person
don.t you see the problem not everyone in life can make money because if it was so easy we would all be rich
there will always be more poor than rich so who helps the poor
i always say health education food and a roof over your head is what every government needs taxes to pay for if you got no money
i don,t expect a car or a holiday or money to eat out or go to the fair i don.t expect government to pay for those things if i am poor
but health shelter food yes if i fall on hard times

I did not propose to attempt to take territory from a powerful, large state. The Philippines has a population exceeding 100 million.


The Philippines ratified it in 2011 after signing it 50 years ago. So apparently they are very much willing to abide by it. In my experience, the Philippines would. You could go on TV Patrol to garnish local sympathy.


The islanders are not desperate right now. You'd have to wait for the coming economic implosion. You could migrate there by the dozens and gain enough political power to help set policy, which I think is more realistic than trying to overtly buy them out in one move. The best would be a gradual infiltration and convincing (with money galore to help in the convincing). I could not accomplish that by myself. With perhaps 5 other like-minded guys and their extended families migrating there, we could probably accomplish it. The UK would fight us, but fuck them. As I explained earlier, there are limits to what they can do. Did you see the rape case on the island? The UK couldn't even put them in prison for a long time. The governor of the island was involved.


I would go crazy there. Especially they don't have fiber optic cable so the internet is atrociously slow (Tahiti has it some 1000 miles away). There is no way to land a plane there, so it is 3 days by boat to the nearest island that has air access (the other island under their nation could handle an airport but the UN declared it a private wildlife refuge  ). The island is pretty damn small. Be okay if you like the people a lot and enjoy being around them.

I'd say if we could upgrade the infrastructure, and accomplish our goal, it might be worth trying?

We'd have to invest some time living there. We couldn't just waltz in and take over in one week. This would be a disruption to our lives. Is it worth it?

Also we'd really have to maintain the lives of the people there and what they love. I think they are essentially already anarchists, but they have some socialist needs.

One thing is the locals are not reproducing (youngest child is a 12 year old girl, next youngest is a 19 year old man) and many want to leave. So they would I think over time wither away in political control, if our offspring and immigrations were significant.

It is a lot of effort to undertake. I would not even consider it, unless I was sure we had a plan to outnumber the existing population.\

Edit: let me add that I am not interested to destroy the lives of the people there. I would only migrate there if I felt I could uplift their lives.

Read the OP of this thread again. We propose no revenue generation and no power for any leader.

The key is to destroy usury which I assert the Knowledge Age does (c.f the OP of the Economic Devastation thread). So this unproductive brat will end up destitute soon enough and his wealth will have been transferred to those who are productive.

Eliminating the high fixed capital component of production is the main reason we can now jettison democracy and socialism. The technology has changed what society can be.


By reaching out to you abroad with educational opportunities to better yourself and earn enough to join in. Donations if you really need it, to help you bridge the gap. But if you are determined to just be a leech on society's best faith attempts to help you, then yes you will be ignored and perish as it should be for any pest or parasite.

You'd have to have enough capital to begin with to purchase land otherwise you wouldn't be joining our project. Thus you'd already demonstrated the ability to be responsible and produce.

this is what you say..  so what if i got all my money of mummy and daddy and all i ever done was party
how do i grow a carrot
and i never learned at school because i am stinking rich and i want a slave to do it i throw him a few shillings to clean my pool and grow my veg is this ok in your state

What is the point of this life if you can't help and see other humans happy? Some sociopaths want all the power,

is this not you.... think about it for a 1min
if your trying to make humans lives happy well how will you make mine happy if i got no money to buy land in your eyes i am worthless
so does that not make you the same as most governments your already telling me if i got no money to buzz off

For one thing, we wouldn't interfere with your ability to grow your own food, which our modern nanny-state governments highly regulate and restrict making it too costly to do.

So there you (your wife probably while you are doing analytical work such as reengineering the barn) are growing your own food, making sex with your wife, producing offspring. You'd have to have enough capital to begin with to purchase land otherwise you wouldn't be joining our project. Thus you'd already demonstrated the ability to be responsible and produce. And assume you would thus be responsible and educate your offspring so they can produce also. Your wife might even be a home schooling mother perhaps in conjunction with other families in the neighborhood. This is what women really want to do and what really makes them happy.

I bet we'd also be donating non-compulsory educational programs as well, to encourage a literate society that can be self-reliant via production.

As for those in the world now who are stuck, we'd probably be using our great wealth to reach out and offer education and work opportunities abroad. Trade is an important aspect of commerce and productivity.

This great lie of "democracy" and "socialism" has been foisted upon the world. The main problem humans faced was protection from attacking armies and also technological and organizational (high fixed capital) problems with production (e.g. roads, problems with pandemics, etc).

We have a lot more technology now, and the question is are we going to let the 0.001% enslave us with it, or are we going to empower humanity to use it?

I think one of the key distinctions is that these days even Khan Academy (one guy making educational videos) can change the world. The information age reduces the fixed capital requirements required to help people improve.

That is not to say it would be perfect, but it would be better than the abysmal trajectory the world is headed now...

What is the point of this life if you can't help and see other humans happy? Some sociopaths want all the power, but really that is a very lonely and unnatural goal. It exists only because we empower those sociopaths with our inane foolishness to think that "democracy" and "socialism" are in our best interests.

very very hard to run a country without government
just need a leader that wont fill his own pockets
see i always used to say why don.t they pay the leader well more money because there on about 200k a year may be a bit less
compare to a actor or footballer then they might live by the book instead of taking back handers off the rich
for a policy or a contract
what we should do is say the president gets 1 million a year then he as been paid 5 million for his 5 year term
 then what we do is have a vote and if he been a good president and we all vote to say yes he as been a good president then he get another 5 million bonus so it gives him the incentive to be a good president

because i reckon we the people loose more than that in taxes of the super rich and contracts in your area
and stupid projects we know nowt about and the policies of the super rich
 lets face it as long as we need money to make are lives happy then even leaders can be bought for a price
its all about the money baby
but anyway good luck with your micronation might come for a holiday if you got any beaches

Would The Philippines respect your sovereignty if someone bought one of the islands on the "margin" (remote)?  Bet they would not, bet they would not respect UN rulez (technicalitiez) re "stateless people".

Only 56 people?  It's not Nauru (my first guess, 10,000 there (Wikipedia)).

Ahh, got it.  Pitcairn.   I wonder how much they would want (and we pay them to leave)?  It is (story link below) a British Overseas Territory, so might not be for sale.  Would guess NOT.

Here's a story with pictures for the readers of this thread on Pitcairn, no one wants to move there (wiki also has an article):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/pitcairnislands/11418280/Why-will-nobody-move-to-Pitcairn-the-Pacific-island-with-free-land.html

Looks kind of nice actually...

ok so how would your state work then if you had no welfare system how would all your people work and gain a wage so they can live happy..
don.t forget you say you cannot give welfare benefits to your people so what happens when i loose my job how do i pay the bills.... my house and food..
so who gives me this money to help me if no TAXES
plus you keep saying property what if i don.t own any property can i still live in your state..
so if you say yes well who gives me this house do i go knock on peoples doors begging because you have no government so who do i see
 micronation what would your laws be who do i see if i have a problem

OROBTC if you want to argue the position of an extreme mad max world into a bottomless pit, then I won't stand in your way. That is why we are also working on an anonymous Knowledge Age.

My point is assuming a world that still has some semblance of law, respect for international law which they explicitly ratified on a country-by-country basis, and respect for property rights then I offer a proposal.

Btw, there is an incredibly remote (no airplane service within 1000 kilometers) island nation with only 56 citizens (who will I presume likely be impoverished if cruise ships stop running in a global economic collapse) which will be ripe for buyout in the coming global economic collapse.