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popcorn1, I've been more poor than you. I wrote software from a Nipa Hut and ate rice and beans. Go feel sorry for yourself.
legendary
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popcorn1, maybe it seems like I am a callous person. Rather it is incredulous to me that you would demand that someone who is suffering from Multiple Sclerosis and who has never taken a dime in aid from health insurance, should somehow be responsible for you being too fucking lazy to work hard and build your own life.

That is why I say, "fuck you"!

Do you have any idea what I am suffering? But do I put that burden on you?

You are the callous, communist, coward thief hiding behind the charade of equality and social justice.

point 1 i am not a communist i am socialist a capitalist and a communist all 3
point 2 i am not lazy
point 3 what work do you do that makes you look down on the weak poor
was your mum and dad good to you if yes
what about the kids whos mums and dads where ass holes
trust me i know everything about life the ups and downs so because i have suffered in my life i am more helpful than you could ever be
i know you say you suffer from  Multiple Sclerosis sorry to here that Cry Cry
PUT YOUR BODY AGAINST YOUR SCREEN AND I GIVE YOU A INTERNET HUG Grin
plus if you feel the need to use your med insurance  why not use it there fast enough taking your money to pay for med bills
all med care should be free to all humans and animals  Wink
there trying to get rid of the NHS here in uk but we will never let that happen NEVER
 YOUR LIKE HITLER
EAT SOME WEED AND CALM DOWN IT WILL HELP YOUR PAIN
because you suffer with an illness and do well still gives you no write to look down on the poor
i do respect you for getting on with your life despite your illness but some people do fall on hard times threw no fault of there own
so have a bit more hart for the poor and it will set you free Wink Wink
plus recycle always recycle as much as you can Wink Wink


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If cornered by Satan, I'd lock and load and say my final words, "you can take my cold dead body, but you will never own my soul". Now here's some hot metal coming your way bitch. I'd probably charge so as to take as many rounds as possible.

Pussies.
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Why The Deep State Always Wins: The Zero-Sum Game of Perpetual War

http://cryptome.org/2014/08/deep-state-wins.pdf

1/ IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
2/ WAR IS PEACE
3/ SLAVERY IS FREEDOM

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“Like it or lump it, we’ll do what we like. So just get used to it, world.”

And note Michael Ruppert recently shot himself in the head too just like my only sibling sister did in 2006 (yet why didn't the police observe that she couldn't have possibly held the gun at that angle and pulled the trigger)  Roll Eyes
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so what have you done for mankind that is so good that makes you so special

That is irrelevant. The only reason you could possibly need this information is so you can measure what you think I owe or deserve, as if what I deserve should be judged by you. The only person I need to answer that question to is myself. I receive what I have earned in life and it is none of your business.


ONLY THE STRONGEST SURVIVE so deal with it

Correct (although "strong" should be construed in terms of the value of diversity, entropy, and degrees-of-freedom).

Our disagreement is I don't want to allow you to make me perish with your preference of stealing from the collective.

Btw, the technology that has improved your standard-of-living came from people who were motivated to accomplish goals, i.e. being capable of producing enough for themselves (in trade with others) and not promoting a collective theft society which feeds the sociopathic 0.001%.

I take issue with MA's repetitive insistence "we are all in this together".

If I tie my shoelaces to a mountain, who can achieve anything  Huh

Armstrong sees from his cyclical models that the masses must perish in megadeath every 80 years or so. So why can't he acknowledge that is natural and that is the upswelling of innovation from the few that propels humanity forward  Huh

All those cows in Greece and the EU who believe in the EU dream, unfortunately deserve exactly what is happening to them. It is entirely natural. Those who are offended by my words, as if I could even change what is natural  Huh

Bottom line is if you trust your life to the herd, then you benefit while the lamb is fattened, and then you die when the lamb is harvested. Rather if you trust your life to your individual endeavors, then you suffer from your own failures and profit from your own achievements. Of course trading with others to benefit from the collective, serendipitous, chaotic, accretive advance of knowledge (technology).
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these are your words above

Yes they are. And it will be clear for those who are astute, that you and your cohort blahblabla deserve your collective fate.

Thanks for helping to prove my point that we couldn't save the majority. You are indeed useless eater blobs of flesh. Cows.
so what have you done for mankind that is so good that makes you so special
 
plus its only you that needs to worry because your an anarchist.. its you going in the gas chambers Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
stop wasting your life away being a NUT JOB its the NWO its here Wink Wink
 life was much worse 100 years ago
now we got double glazing windows in our council houses Grin Grin
plus i could not care less who thinks what about me as long as my children love me and my wife does then i am on top of the world

the earth as programmed all living things
ONLY THE STRONGEST SURVIVE so deal with it and move on or your life will become 1 big conspiracy
 
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these are your words above

Yes they are. And it will be clear for those who are astute, that you and your cohort blahblabla deserve your collective fate.

Thanks for helping to prove my point that we couldn't save the majority. You are indeed useless eater blobs of flesh. Cows for harvesting.
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OH come on steve jobs got lucky his friend was the thinker and brought him on board

You are clueless and blind. Steve Wozniak is a mid-level geek, nothing spectacular (great engineer, but not a world changing personality). Jobs had all the vision. He massaged Woz to get what he needed out of him in terms of engineering.

That you think the world is unfair and undeserving people get enormous wealth because they are lucky and that all real value is created by the underlings who slave away, is indicative of why you demand socialism to steal for you.
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No, this is me:

I appreciate his ability to speak frankly and have clear thinking on the generative essence of an issue. For example:

http://www.ted.com/talks/steve_jobs_how_to_live_before_you_die

Edit: Perhaps I am a collage of Jobs with an education from Superman.
OH come on steve jobs got lucky his friend was the thinker and brought him on board
legendary
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The owners of this world have a plan for the future of the world where small businesses don't exist and you work as a slave for them. This is what will happen to people who think they have rights and do not take matters into their own hands in the coming Knowledge Age.

Democracy is a fucking lie for retards and or cowards.

these are your words above

your the retard ITS THE NWO we are the power
i will send the men in black Cool after you
 your life is being watched we will own the world your every move will be watched
 you are a potential threat to our thinking you must be sent to jail you are danger to our way of life
WE OWN YOU BITCH
now say sorry and i will pardon you

its ok its only me you can come from behind the couch i was only joking  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
where do you live tell me to see if your country is bad

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By saying things like "actually, you have no rights -- check out all these loopholes with which the evil authorities could screw you", you're unwittingly playing into the hands of bad actors, getting people to expect evilness and to feel powerless and oppressed. Much like "bad news" could be clever PR to raise expectations about increased prices, the same applies to PR about "more government mischief on the way".

The look the other way and hope it won't happen to me delusion. We've been there and done that megadeath over and over in history.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion...

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants
..."— Thomas Jefferson

It is better to stand up and fight losing a some patriots along the way, than cower and be steamrolled en masse with bulldozers into gas chambers and open pits.




For your owners, you are only a useless eater cow to be harvested.
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No, this is me:

I appreciate his ability to speak frankly and have clear thinking on the generative essence of an issue. For example:

http://www.ted.com/talks/steve_jobs_how_to_live_before_you_die

Edit: Perhaps I am a collage of Jobs with an education from Superman.
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so do you see anyone can get rich if you put your mind to it
so its a good job we live in a democracy

The owners of this world have a plan for the future of the world where small businesses don't exist and you work as a slave for them. This is what will happen to people who think they have rights and do not take matters into their own hands in the coming Knowledge Age.

Democracy is a fucking lie for retards and or cowards.

P.S. username18333, yes democracy is a plutocracy and usury is symbiotic with the Industrial Age economics. Both are what I believe will be eliminated by the Knowledge Age, as I have already explained ad nauseum in this thread and in the Economics Devastation thread. This thread is supposed to be about practical solutions to the coming totalitarianism...

macsga, indeed my theory as to why MA doesn't believe in the existence of TPTB is because he is only motivated by data and what he can model. He has often reiterated that opinion is bullshit. So he sees that such conspiracy isn't necessary to describe the system. My counter argument is that he can't fully understand without incorporating that conspiracy into the model, which is why I believe he doesn't grasp the importance of bottom-up (grassroots) exploration of new frontiers, e.g. geographical escapes of lore and perhaps crypto in this current technological unemployment shift to post-industrial, non-fixed capital age (which of course threatens the interests of the old world capitalists who run the current industrial world).

1. Having the "blessed" opportunity to live in a country that has been devastated by TPTB the last 5 years, I can assure you, when something is so carefully designed and/or a long line of random events looks like a "conspiracy theory", it usually is. I've often been in front of Greek government officials the last 5 years that were mumbling about "conspiracy theories" when they had to cover up a dirty work of theirs. It's the "reverse psychology" trick that you deny the obvious because it's too obvious to accept it.

Also there is often this argument that a conspiracy can't hide in plain sight and it can't remain unified. Well it is visible for anyone who researches and unification for cartelization is a fact. So I am dismayed to see someone such as Eric Raymond (progenitor of the term "open source") who claims a 150-160 IQ using such excuses. Yet I also agree to some extent with Eric, that the vested interests are symptom of a systemic effect of the Logic of Collective Action and thus the term "prospiracy" is apropos.

2. Don't get smart people wrong because of their disability to acknowledge something that it's conspicuous to you.
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Why do people love to convince themselves that they are okay? Is it because most people can't deal with the painful realities?

You are not okay. You are not prepared. You are a sitting duck waiting to be harvested.

Rights are bullshit. You have no rights.

Your only insurance that you can travel is your preparations to be sure you can travel even without a passport.


This is where I think you're being foolish.

If, in an ideal world, rights would be a nice thing to have, then why do you feel the need to burst people's bubbles and 'inform' them that they have no rights? Even if you think something is the complete truth, it's still no reason for be motivated to tell it. Motivation is a separate thing. Have you considered that rights "exist" on condition that a collective illusion (of their existence) is maintained?

By saying things like "actually, you have no rights -- check out all these loopholes with which the evil authorities could screw you", you're unwittingly playing into the hands of bad actors, getting people to expect evilness and to feel powerless and oppressed. Much like "bad news" could be clever PR to raise expectations about increased prices, the same applies to PR about "more government mischief on the way".
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betting 100€ that it wont work out

micronations especially one like this will for always be only a dream.

They certainly are a dream in terms of the ways I've seen people attempt them. I haven't seen anyone actually attempt a viable plan. Sealand may be the most successful, except the problem was there was no economic incentive. Who wants to go live on an oil platform  Huh

First and foremost, I think you'd need to be actually interested to plant a residence on the island. And you'd need to be actually interested in carrying a big stick and offering a big carrot at the same time, while dealing with the claiming authorities.

I agree it is unlikely for the authorities to recognize the sovereignty of a nation formed within its own boundaries, because it sets a precedent and TPTB would rush in to make sure such a precedent can't be attained.

Again however, I think there is nothing TPTB could do if for example Pitcairn Island had an democratic referendum with the vote count overwhelmingly favoring a declaration of increased sovereignty. Well actually Pitcairn is already sovereign. There are no taxes even if you travel outside the island, for as long as you remain a resident of Pitcairn. One issue is that the citizenship and passports for Pitcairn are apparently issued by the British Overseas Territories. If Pitcairn declared that it only would decide citizenship per its new constitution and that it would also issue passports as well as allowing the British Overseas Territories to continue to issues passports as well, then not that much has really changed. I don't think Britian has a case to attack Pitcairn for those issues.

It actually seems potentially workable, but again the best interests of the existing citizens of Pitcairn are paramount because they are the current owners of Pitcairn. We can't be talking as if we would violate their property rights and then expect anyone else to respect our principles.

Thus it is a bit complicated to envision reaching our political goal. But not impossible, especially if we had say 10 guys and their families that were really serious about it and wanting to help Pitcairn. Pitcairn needs investment to improve its access to the outside world (otherwise its youth will always leave for New Zealand).

I am undecided on the Pitcairn option. I wouldn't do it alone. I'd need a group interested in giving it a try. We wouldn't necessarily have to go for the stateless persons extreme. We could just go for Pitcairn citizenship and improve the access to the island then we could spend much of our time off the island and just return there to maintain our residency. But in all fairness to what the citizens of Pitcairn want, we would have to invest in being good islanders that give back to the island also in terms of our presence there (they get lonely) and also to plant children there to liven up the place (the ladies there I am sure miss having children around).
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your not looking at the bigger picture you only care for people with money other wise why say i need to buy land I GOT NO MONEY TO BUY ANY

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how did USA get its people they give away land for free to farm
how did Australia  get it people they offered free land to farm

The "free"[1] land was useless to those who didn't work 16 hours a day to make sure they survived the first winter, in Australia's case the droughts.

Nature culls those who are not willing to make their best effort.

It is not the responsibility of the minority to solve every problem for the majority.

Each person has to be responsible for his or her own life, otherwise you end up with complete failure of the human race which is exactly the result of all that socialism bullshit you are doing over on your side of the pond. You don't tie your shoelaces to a mountain when you try to walk!

Notwithstanding that rich anarchists would be proud to provide many opportunities for education, commerce, and apprenticeship to the less fortunate who are willing to work hard. But we won't be giving shit to whining lazy ass prima donnas who deserve to perish.

[1] The government didn't pay your transportation, costs of security, etc.. One can argue the land was worthless and the migrants added all the value.
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You shall avoid at all costs to become stateless, that should kill your right to travel. I like more the idea of an anonymous knowledge age. Somehow, I kinda live in it already, with my passport in my pocket. I'm physically present in a country, and I'm even working there despite not having the right to work, but there isn't the slightest link between me and that country. I shall leave before one occurs.

And in the coming global economic conflagration when your citizenship country cancels your passport to force you home to stop you from avoiding taxation?

And proceeds to quarantine you in a detention camp due to the global pandemic:

Note according to MA's computer models of repeating cycles, we may see a pandemic starting in 2017 and peaking 2018, and this is a wild card because TPTB may not be able to entirely control the effects of a rapid spread. The severity, death rate, speed of death, and mode of transmission are unknown, so we can't yet estimate the effects. However, maybe we can look to the Spanish Flu epidemic in the early 1900s for clues. The government did not lose control. People became more dependent on the government to enforce quarantines and isolation wards (warehouses filled with sick). You see the government has been building detention camps all over the USA, so maybe they are prepared.

Why do people love to convince themselves that they are okay? Is it because most people can't deal with the painful realities?

You are not okay. You are not prepared. You are a sitting duck waiting to be harvested.

Rights are bullshit. You have no rights.

Your only insurance that you can travel is your preparations to be sure you can travel even without a passport.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants
.
It is its natural manure."— Thomas Jefferson
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