Topic: Who will Replace Russian Gas Supplies to Europe? - page 12. (Read 5523 times)

I will very simply answer your clarification that Maduro maintained friendly relations with Russia and China! I'll step back a little. I used to evaluate, for example, the work of a person, not because he was sweating or tired, but because - did he achieve the goal or not? Did he reach the goal at the scheduled time? He achieved his goal without exceeding the budget. So let's get back to Venezuela and Maduro - what is the RESULT of help from China, Russia? The country has come out of the crisis and the economy has stabilized? Does the population have an acceptable income? Just be honest?

Maybe this oil game is part of the plan and has been planned by the big countries at this time,
whether it's true or not but what is clear is that it greatly affects the global economy,
To make it clearer, it's better if we just see what will happen in the future

The funny thing is that Biden is making all this noise because he is butthurt that he couldn't steal those grains first. It's even funnier to see some people think that US is "helping" Ukraine.

It would be naive to play into US trap again. It is practically 100% guaranteed that as soon as the energy crisis in the West is averted, every step US took towards normalization with Venezuela would be reversed and harsher sanctions would be placed on Venezuelans making their lives 10 times worse than it is today.

Learn from Iran. We made a grave mistake in 2015 and signed JCPOA, not only they didn't remove any sanctions but they imposed more and increased their terrorism against Iranians. Today we've learned from that mistake and our economy is among the 10 biggest ones while US and EU are constantly begging Iran to come back to JCPOA and give them the much needed energy.
In fact after the shock of 2018 (start of "maximum pressure" campaign) that lasted a year and a half, the economy has been stabilizing more every day despite more than 5000 sanctions (in comparison there are only about 330 sanctions against Venezuela).

This oil game is a strange game. The whole world has been turned upside down for this oil and gas war.
But I think maybe in a few months time. Everything will be same like before. EU will be buying oil from Russia and things will be like normal. You will all see.

 

It's like in court, the words of a recidivist criminal who denies his guilt, to be taken as the truth!

"Today, we are proud and happy to announce that ... the first railway cars with grain from the Melitopol elevator went to the direction of the Crimea"
The air of the TV channel Crimea-24. You can watch it online, in your own language
I am not interested in the opinion of the UN representative. The UN, the Red Cross, and many other international organizations have completely discredited themselves. And facts are facts! Moreover, not only grain is stolen, but metal is also massively stolen and exported to the Russian Federation. I will not talk about bipedal marauders, from gangs that are called the Russian army, who steal used underwear, dishes, beds and more. In Russia, stealing is not a crime, it is a folk tradition!

By the way - where is the official document, the UN resolution for example, about the fact that Russia is not a thief? Not ? And the facts that the thief-there is! Especially if they write about it themselves

I suggest everyone evaluate the news from the Russian media

https://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2022/06/07/17889902.shtml

https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/629f96e89a794739cb9c9fbe

https://www.interfax.ru/world/845178

Let me remind you that in 2014, Ukrainian drilling gas rigs in the Ukrainian waters of the Black Sea were seized and assigned to Russia (stolen) ... Forgotten? To clarify - the Glubokaya field is located on the Prykerch shelf of the Black Sea, in the exclusive marine economic zone of Ukraine

PS Russia is the only country in the world where they proudly report that they have stolen ....

Obviously, I dont have any priviledged information about possible political movements I am just a Venezuelan in Venezuela.
But I would say that even though Nicolas Maduro now finds himself in a better position to garbain with the USA because the urgent need for energy I doubt he is considering to fully cut his diplomacy with the Klemlin or China, after all they were his closest allies these rough years, politically mostly.

Of course, he wants to capitalize the oil but maybe in a way he does not have to take sides, of course as the crisis goes on he may find himself forced to do it.

It is also noteworthy the fact we have been moving from the construction of a socialist model to a more liberal economy, to the point we are selling up to 10% of stakes in public companies, not mentioning the adoption of the USD and a taste of free market.

https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-caribbean-south-america-caracas-cbcb1aeaad2b221763ed5994d92f3207

I would not be surprised if soon USA allows private companies to extract oil here under a pact between Biden and Maduro, considering the recent events

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/17/venezuela-oil-sanctions-chevron/

A pact between them will likely upset many Venezuelans in exile and politicians of the Republican Party, they are against buying oil from us, even more against allowing private entities importing technology and infrastructure here.

The point is EU and USA has done way more in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya then what Russia is doing right now. They are raising humanity concerns just because they can be next target. It's just a conflict where interests matters for everyone. I m not from India but I support India foreign minister statement that " EU must stop portraying that there problems are worlds problem".

The President of Venezuela will gladly accept this game. Of course, he is not the best manager, but he is not an idiot to play further in "developed socialism" and be friends with world-class terrorists. After all that he has done in his country, the lifting of sanctions and the commercialization of oil on the world market is a success. And the prospects to get out of a difficult, protracted crisis. The people of Venezuela have the right and opportunity to live well, and now this can be quickly and efficiently implemented.

Where exactly are these materials, how can I get acquainted with them?

I'm tired of your baseless accusations. It would be nice if the Pope wrote from your account, but you are from Ukraine, and Ukraine has one of the highest levels of corruption in Europe, and maybe in the world. Therefore, your sweeping accusations to the right and to the left are like empty air shaking.

Democracy, developed or not, hysterical or not - all this cannot deny corruption. Corruption did not appear under Scholz or Merkel. The historical connection between Germany and the USSR / RF has been very intertwined since the beginning of the 20th century. From the October Revolution, to the Hitler-Stalinist alliance and the unleashing of the Second World War by them - this was the beginning. Then, in the 20th century, the USSR, having both agents and a very "thick" collection of compromising evidence on high-ranking officials of the FRG and the GDR, continued the "game". Realizing that in the 60s of the 20th century, Germany became the leader of Europe, not to put her on a drug in the form of gas and oil would be an omission for the USSR, which always needed currency. And it is precisely the convenient contracts that give the status of almost a monopolist, and the strongest lobbying for the interests of the USSR and then the Russian Federation, that everything was built on bribery, and it is possible to intimidate those who were compromised. Tell me - was the prime minister of Gabon offered a place at the very top of Rosneft or Gazprom? Or maybe Spanish? Or Mongolian? No. To the one who, in fact, "planted" key European countries on Russian gas. There are a lot of materials about the corruption of the German top leadership. I really hope that Frau Merkel will go to trial and will be forced to testify. Well, if she suddenly does not die unexpectedly immediately after the announcement of suspicion to her, having gone on a "business trip to the Russian Federation"
And your answer perfectly demonstrates precisely the complete dependence of Germany on Russian resources. But ... Germany will have to go through the "breaking of a drug addict" in order to become a really independent Germany, and not be a hand-me-down Kremlin terrorist!

The UN was unable to confirm Ukraine's accusations against Russia of stealing grain

Well, a little more about who is behind the global crisis in the grain market.
What you see in the pictures is #RussianHungerGames. Russia, in addition to blocking Ukrainian ports and stealing grain, is literally destroying food supplies for the world.
The city of Nikolaev and its suburbs have become regular targets for Russian terrorist missiles. The missiles hit grain terminals, residential buildings and port facilities in the city.
The impact caused a large-scale fire in a grain warehouse.
In more than 100 days of a full-scale war, the Russian terrorist army has destroyed numerous farms, food and food supplies, oil storage facilities, agricultural machinery and, out of habit, has stolen more than 400,000 tons (!) of grain crops from the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine, as of May 12.
Not to mention the robberies, the destruction of fields, the forcing of large poultry farms to stop their work and the massive loss of poultry. These were food stocks not only for Ukraine, but also export stocks of food to secure supply contracts.
Obviously, the terrorists, who are screaming about what they are for the world and want to help with the food crisis, are doing everything to make the people of the world starve.



The administration of US President Joe Biden has sent letters to authorities in at least 14 countries warning that Russia is trying to sell them grain stolen from Ukraine.
This is stated in the material of The New York Times.
The United States has received warnings, in particular, Pakistan, Turkey, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and 10 unnamed countries in Africa.
According to the US, we are talking about 500,000 tons of Ukrainian wheat worth $100 million, which was taken by land from Ukraine to the temporarily occupied Crimea, and then loaded onto ships.
According to the newspaper, at least three ships are sailing from Kerch to the Mediterranean Sea, which are engaged in the export of stolen grain.

As we speak the English premier league has suspended a TV deal worth 43 million euros that was supposed to last for 6 years, it's obvious that other European communities are working out a plan to cut off thier dependence on any russian products or services so definitely making such sacrifices means they have reached some sort of unanimous plan to be symbiotic with each other thus mitigating the debilitating impact that this russian governments decision on gas supply would have had on them....

Not that I'm defending the invasion but the time for diplomacy was more than a year ago when Russia was diplomatically asking NATO to stop expanding eastward and was warning Ukraine not to let US build terrorist bases on their soil such as the one building biological WMDs.

This is also one of the reasons why Russia is not really feeling the effects of sanctions, the team of 70 economists and politicians that traveled to Russia right after the sanctions began is a good indication. The Iran-Russia trades is expected to grow to more than $40 billion soon.

On this I have to agree. The net demand for crude oil is going up and the supply needs to come from somewhere. At this point, I won't be surprised if Iran produces and exports more crude than what they are believed to be doing. China imports most of the Iranian crude through indirect means. From what I heard, the crude is first exported to the UAE and Malaysia where they are blended and re-branded, and then imported to China. Anyway, after so many years of sanctions and embargoes, Iran by now must have found out the loopholes on how to circumvent them.

Discussion is easy - but this takes a lot of time and effect. The whole lot will again turn to Russia for their oil and gas supply.
The whole world was making sanction against Russia - without realizing the power Russia has. Let's see what crisis we see in coming days.

Basically, I read the same things... infrastructure is a problem, it's a long process before gas starts coming! It's also expensive, very expensive... some countries don't have money for that, they will have to really on EU funds and loans probably!

Anyway, winter is coming! Like in Game of Thrones! Hot days started, so I guess we will not see much in the next few months... but when winter starts I expect some crazy things to happen! I don't see the end of this conflict, strong words are coming from all sides, diplomacy is not working, or we can say that some big countries decided to close diplomatic channels! I am not sure what will happen, this is something new for all of us and I just hope that this will not grow into some world war with nukes flying above our heads! Knowing governments and politicians (and my opinion about them is not nice) they are capable to shit on everything and everyone at any moment just because they can do it, and they have their own stupid arguments for that, so bigger conflict is a real possibility!

There was a project IPI,  Iran Pakistan India gas pipeline. It was very popular in early 2000s but never kicked off because of usa pressure. Moreover Pakistan is suffering from energy crisis but due to usa influence it is not buying oil and gas from Iran.  Still EU and USA says that Russia is creating problems in this world.

I was talking about capacity not the output. Iran with 5000 sanctions is obviously exporting less oil than anybody else. Another factor to consider is that again due to sanctions and the fact that Iran doesn't use things like SWIFT for majority of trades (in hundreds of billions) the real export values are unknown and much higher than the publicly available data.

The problem is not infrastructure since it could be built, the problem is relations. In fact long time ago Iran's gas was supposed to go to EU through Turkey (if I'm not mistaken) but for certain reasons EU decided to rely on Russia alone.

That is pure propaganda, specially if you check out the first source you'll see that it is a Saudi funded propaganda machine.

First of all, as I explained above Iran's export size is unknown so there is no way anybody could make the conclusion about whether it has increased or decreased.

Secondly we have no reason to believe it has decreased since China (which they use as their reasoning) has been increasing its total import for some time, even before the Ukraine invasion.

Finally and this is more important, there has been a fixed supply and increasing demand of oil for years and so far nobody has increased production. So any market that is abandoned by one seller will be filled by another but that other seller has to reduce exports to a third buyer so like a chain they are just switching customers. For example a lot of Iranian oil finds its way to EU markets through third parties and at a higher price so any market that Russia abandoned was partially filled by Iran. Any oil that EU imports from somewhere else means that somewhere else is abandoning another market which again Iran fills. Imagine a crazy big shuffle in the market.
Iran's oil export that is publicly known in May has been 40% higher than May last year. How can it have been replaced if it is increasing?

I saw news on CNN and CNBC that in this world gas reserves are very few and controlled by only a few countries including Russia, the process of making gas pipelines takes a long time especially now that many places have become residential so it is more difficult to meet gas, something that the most likely is the import of liquefied gas and of course a longer process is required.