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Gas becomes a Russian force to suppress Europe, many European countries are very dependent on Russian gas supply, I still remember when Russia built a pipeline that reached thousands of kilometers and certainly not an easy thing to replace gas supply.

Of course! Why not? And Europe should not forget about it. If European leaders do not want to stay in the winter in the cold. There is very little time left to find alternative energy sources..... which do not exist. Russia has a strong president to benefit from this situation and that would be the right thing to do.
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The situation is actually very funny. The Germans are making a laughing stock of themselves. They were actually making a good amount of money for themselves, by milking Russia. The Nord Stream 1 meant that Germany receives Russian gas at dirt-cheap prices. The German industries were flourishing with this cheap gas, and the operator was making a lot of profit by reselling some of this gas to neighboring nations such as Poland. Also, Germany was receiving large quantities of Urals crude through the Druzhba pipeline, and the refineries in the former GDR were making billions of Euros in profit every month. Then the Germans started acting like retards. They imposed sanctions on Russia and ended up giving all the luxuries they were enjoying before.
Noone care for anyone. They only care for themselves. Russian were adment that they will attack Ukraine. They did it despite of the fact - on the same day Pakistani PM was on the visit to Russia. This is brought so much political instability in Pakistan too - now the people of Pakistan start believing that their PM should not have visited Russia.
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What alternative? The two countries that have almost half of the world's gas supplies (Russia and Iran) are not going to export anything to EU since they already have their customers and both are sanctioned by EU Cheesy
The rest of the countries don't have enough to start replacing Russia.

Neither one have enough gas to start major exports! Egypt has 1% and Zioterrorists have less than 0.1% of global gas reserves.
The fake news posted above was only a hope to steal Iraq's gas (which isn't that much to begin with) with the help of Kurdish separatists and Zioterrorists then transfer it through Syria and Turkey to EU but the plan failed the moment Turkey's plans failed with the botched invasion of Northern Syria.

OPEC countries like KSA, UAE and Kuwait are puppets of USA and they do what the master says since all of there money is residing in USA banks, Russia and Iran are rich in gas and both under sanctions but Russia is strong enough to by pass these sanctions and sell it to countries of its choice. While Iran neighbor like Pakistan are weak enough to buy gas from Iran due to USA pressure rather prefer buying expensive LNGs from Qatar. The world must end this dual face character.
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Should Germany should actually start a new Nuclear energy program to meet their energy needs? I'm a mere pleb, I don't know. The obvious answer, yes. I believe the United Kingdom has already started.

One of the problems with nuclear power is that everything is very slow there, it will take years, if not decades, to fully resume the European nuclear program. Another problem is with the source of enriched uranium supplies, which is approximately 40% controlled by Russia. There are also difficulties with unenriched uranium, it simply does not exist in Europe, and Africa does not seem to have the necessary enthusiasm to be a cash cow for its former colonialists.


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Germany might have believed too much in its Renewable Energy program, that they might have thought they were not coming back to Nuclear Energy. Plus can Uranium be stored? Or can Russia use their Uranium exports to punish Europe/the U.S. again?
It's strange that this is surprising to you. Russia is a very strong player in the energy market, and in many aspects (including uranium enrichment). And of course, in the context of sanctions and the actual economic war between the West and Russia, Russia will use all its weighty arguments to secure victory or at least an advantage. The United States also cannot do without the supply of enriched uranium from Russia, it provides approximately 20% of all electricity generation at nuclear power plants in the United States.


Shower thought. Black Swan = World War III?

I believe if Germany and the restof Europe is pushed enough, they might strike back and use Ukraine as the entry.
Germany now does not have a combat-ready army capable of resisting Russia. No one in NATO, including the United States, has a combat-ready army capable of resisting Russia (which is why NATO is so diligently distancing itself from direct participation in the conflict in Ukraine). Don't be fooled, most European armies are decorative, like the Vatican Guards.

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The scheduled annual maintenance of the Turkish Stream will take place from 21 to 28 June.

Gas transportation along both strings of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline will be temporarily suspended from 21 to 28 June 2022 due to scheduled preventive maintenance.

The suspension of gas transportation was agreed upon by all interested parties in advance.
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Germany seems to have forgotten that they have been aggressively embargoing Russia all this time and now they are actually making a joke if Russia raises oil prices Grin, it seems they are now starting to get cornered by the consequences of what they did to Russia, now Germany is reportedly starting to cooperate with Senegal to reduce dependence on gas from Russia, cooperation between Senegal and Germany is expected to be an alternative in supplying gas to the country.

The situation is actually very funny. The Germans are making a laughing stock of themselves. They were actually making a good amount of money for themselves, by milking Russia. The Nord Stream 1 meant that Germany receives Russian gas at dirt-cheap prices. The German industries were flourishing with this cheap gas, and the operator was making a lot of profit by reselling some of this gas to neighboring nations such as Poland. Also, Germany was receiving large quantities of Urals crude through the Druzhba pipeline, and the refineries in the former GDR were making billions of Euros in profit every month. Then the Germans started acting like retards. They imposed sanctions on Russia and ended up giving all the luxuries they were enjoying before.
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In Germany, the government is crying over Russia's further cuts of gas supplies, accusing that Russia is doing it to drive up price, WHILE the same German government is telling other European countries to stop imports of Russian Natural Gas. Hahaha.

Should Germany should actually start a new Nuclear energy program to meet their energy needs? I'm a mere pleb, I don't know. The obvious answer, yes. I believe the United Kingdom has already started.

This could take some pressure off, however there must be done more. I think liquid gas can help salvage the problem. And yes invest hard in green energy will make us whole/ no more depence from Russia. Or other countries for that matter.
Germany seems to have forgotten that they have been aggressively embargoing Russia all this time and now they are actually making a joke if Russia raises oil prices Grin, it seems they are now starting to get cornered by the consequences of what they did to Russia, now Germany is reportedly starting to cooperate with Senegal to reduce dependence on gas from Russia, cooperation between Senegal and Germany is expected to be an alternative in supplying gas to the country.
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Should Germany should actually start a new Nuclear energy program to meet their energy needs? I'm a mere pleb, I don't know. The obvious answer, yes. I believe the United Kingdom has already started.

One of the problems with nuclear power is that everything is very slow there, it will take years, if not decades, to fully resume the European nuclear program. Another problem is with the source of enriched uranium supplies, which is approximately 40% controlled by Russia. There are also difficulties with unenriched uranium, it simply does not exist in Europe, and Africa does not seem to have the necessary enthusiasm to be a cash cow for its former colonialists.


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Germany might have believed too much in its Renewable Energy program, that they might have thought they were not coming back to Nuclear Energy. Plus can Uranium be stored? Or can Russia use their Uranium exports to punish Europe/the U.S. again?

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Another problem is the dramatic drop in the level of competence of European engineers in nuclear power. France's attempt to build a nuclear power plant in Finland in the early 2000s ended in complete failure, exceeding the original budget by three times. In general, there are a number of serious difficulties for Europe in this direction. And given that the most powerful Zaporozhye NPP in Europe actually left the European energy system and moved into the Russian energy system, there are already difficulties with load balancing in Europe, because windmills and solar panels are an unstable source of electricity, energy generation at night and in the absence of wind (or on the contrary, if the wind is too strong), it can drop to zero on them.

I don’t know what is in the head of European politicians who are overly enthusiastic about the green agenda, but there is a suspicion, turning into confidence, that there is burnt porridge.


Shower thought. Black Swan = World War III?

I believe if Germany and the restof Europe is pushed enough, they might strike back and use Ukraine as the entry.
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In Germany, the government is crying over Russia's further cuts of gas supplies, accusing that Russia is doing it to drive up price, WHILE the same German government is telling other European countries to stop imports of Russian Natural Gas. Hahaha.

Should Germany should actually start a new Nuclear energy program to meet their energy needs? I'm a mere pleb, I don't know. The obvious answer, yes. I believe the United Kingdom has already started.

This could take some pressure off, however there must be done more. I think liquid gas can help salvage the problem. And yes invest hard in green energy will make us whole/ no more depence from Russia. Or other countries for that matter.
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It is true that the EU will still find other alternatives, as Russia is not the only country that can produce oil and gas.
What alternative? The two countries that have almost half of the world's gas supplies (Russia and Iran) are not going to export anything to EU since they already have their customers and both are sanctioned by EU Cheesy
The rest of the countries don't have enough to start replacing Russia.

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But if the EU imports from Egypt and Israel,
Neither one have enough gas to start major exports! Egypt has 1% and Zioterrorists have less than 0.1% of global gas reserves.
The fake news posted above was only a hope to steal Iraq's gas (which isn't that much to begin with) with the help of Kurdish separatists and Zioterrorists then transfer it through Syria and Turkey to EU but the plan failed the moment Turkey's plans failed with the botched invasion of Northern Syria.
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Should Germany should actually start a new Nuclear energy program to meet their energy needs? I'm a mere pleb, I don't know. The obvious answer, yes. I believe the United Kingdom has already started.
One of the problems with nuclear power is that everything is very slow there, it will take years, if not decades, to fully resume the European nuclear program. Another problem is with the source of enriched uranium supplies, which is approximately 40% controlled by Russia. There are also difficulties with unenriched uranium, it simply does not exist in Europe, and Africa does not seem to have the necessary enthusiasm to be a cash cow for its former colonialists. Another problem is the dramatic drop in the level of competence of European engineers in nuclear power. France's attempt to build a nuclear power plant in Finland in the early 2000s ended in complete failure, exceeding the original budget by three times. In general, there are a number of serious difficulties for Europe in this direction. And given that the most powerful Zaporozhye NPP in Europe actually left the European energy system and moved into the Russian energy system, there are already difficulties with load balancing in Europe, because windmills and solar panels are an unstable source of electricity, energy generation at night and in the absence of wind (or on the contrary, if the wind is too strong), it can drop to zero on them.

I don’t know what is in the head of European politicians who are overly enthusiastic about the green agenda, but there is a suspicion, turning into confidence, that there is burnt porridge.
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In Germany, the government is crying over Russia's further cuts of gas supplies, accusing that Russia is doing it to drive up price, WHILE the same German government is telling other European countries to stop imports of Russian Natural Gas. Hahaha.

Should Germany should actually start a new Nuclear energy program to meet their energy needs? I'm a mere pleb, I don't know. The obvious answer, yes. I believe the United Kingdom has already started.
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There is nothing irreplaceable in this world. It would be desirable to look for other options. And such a desire among the EU countries appeared because of the direct blackmail of Russia.

It is true that the EU will still find other alternatives, as Russia is not the only country that can produce oil and gas. But if the EU imports from Egypt and Israel, it is certain that gas from the two countries will be cheaper than from Russia and the import will not increase the cost too much or will they import oil from India while India is a big customer of Russia. Honestly, it would be impossible to find a better alternative than Russia. All of this will be a burden on EU governments and citizens, this will not make the EU better and more comfortable.
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Gas becomes a Russian force to suppress Europe, many European countries are very dependent on Russian gas supply, I still remember when Russia built a pipeline that reached thousands of kilometers and certainly not an easy thing to replace gas supply.
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BTW, from what I heard the reason for the latest supply cut is not political. One of the pumping stations for Nord Stream 1 had to be shut down, since Siemens refused to repair it (they can't, as a result of the sanctions). So this particular section had to be shut down and it directly impacted the overall capacity of the pipeline.
The Siemens turbine was taken to Canada for repairs and cannot be brought back due to sanctions. Gazprom stopped another turbine "due to the impossibility of safe operation." As a result, in two days, the volume of gas through Nord Stream fell from 170 to 67 million tons per day, and the price of gas in Europe increased by 40%.

ps Canada reports talks with Germany on Siemens-made Nord Stream 1 equipment
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There is nothing irreplaceable in this world. It would be desirable to look for other options.
Well, walk around the market, look for other options. It looks like Nord Stream will close completely soon and gas in Europe will rise in price even more, if +40% to the price in a couple of days seems not enough for you. Surely, for such a good price, there are other gas suppliers to Europe, except for Russia. Grin

I just checked the spot prices for European natural gas and as soon as the news came up, it increased from around $1,200 per kcu.m to $1,550 per k.cu.m. The Europeans continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Russia is not directly impacted. Any shortfall in revenue from the decreased volume will be made up with the increasing prices.

BTW, from what I heard the reason for the latest supply cut is not political. One of the pumping stations for Nord Stream 1 had to be shut down, since Siemens refused to repair it (they can't, as a result of the sanctions). So this particular section had to be shut down and it directly impacted the overall capacity of the pipeline.
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Africa looks like the favorite client in the deal, gas pipes are already planted under the sea some time back but I don't know how effective that could be to offer some gas back up I have read a lot of unfriendly environments within that region too. So gas supply from that region cant is guaranteed.
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There is nothing irreplaceable in this world. It would be desirable to look for other options.
Well, walk around the market, look for other options. It looks like Nord Stream will close completely soon and gas in Europe will rise in price even more, if +40% to the price in a couple of days seems not enough for you. Surely, for such a good price, there are other gas suppliers to Europe, except for Russia. Grin
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Russia has already partially or completely cut off gas supplies to six European countries, including Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Bulgaria and Poland. Russian media report that Gazprom is shutting off supplies to companies that refuse to violate the terms of previously signed contracts and pay Russia for gas supplies in rubles. Deliveries to these companies amount to approximately 17.5 billion cubic meters. m of gas per year. This is slightly less than 13% of all deliveries to Europe via pipelines.

This forces the EU countries to look for a replacement for Russian gas, and they are already doing it successfully.
On June 15, representatives of Egypt, Israel and the European Union signed an agreement that supplies of liquefied gas from the Middle East to Europe will increase. Thus, another source of blue fuel supply will allow the EU countries to be less dependent on Russian gas. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El Sissi, Egyptian Energy Minister Tarek El Molla and Israeli Energy Minister Karin Elharrar signed the agreement at a Cairo hotel.

Egypt will ship the gas from Israel to Europe, liquefying it and exporting it by ship. According to Von der Leyen, this historic agreement is part of a program to diversify energy sources from Russia and find ways to import hydrocarbons from other countries. The European Union, in turn, will invest in the gas industry of Egypt and Israel, so that they increase production, conduct exploration of gas fields in territorial waters.

The volumes of gas supplies according to the agreement were not disclosed. In 2021, European countries imported 40% of gas from Russia. Earlier it was reported that exploration is being carried out on the shelf near Romania, there are also agreements with Norway for the supply of gas and the construction of the Baltic Pipe pipeline in 2020 across the sea.

There is nothing irreplaceable in this world. It would be desirable to look for other options. And such a desire among the EU countries appeared because of the direct blackmail of Russia.
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There are suspicions that Russia might fight back by shutting gas supply to the West. Some sources confirmed that the US is already in talks with Qatar to become Russia’s substitute.  
 
But Qatar and other oil and gas producing nations confirmed that they will not be able to provide substantial amounts of gas to replace Russia’s supply.
 
African countries have been tipped as the best option because the continent has some of the world’s deepest gas reserves. But Africa might not replace Russia because of insecurity and lack of infrastructures.

Who will replace Russia?

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/3/1/analysis-can-african-gas-replace-russian-supplies-to-europe

Nobody.
This topic has been discussed more than once and I don't understand why this topic has been brought up again. No one can replace Russian gas for European countries. If you deliver it from any other country in the world, except Russia, it will be very expensive and there is no point in doing it. This must be accepted as a fact. And all alternative energy sources go to the wastebasket.
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Maybe Europe can always look for another alternative but I think it's hard for the European countries to boycott Russia when it comes to oil and natural gases. The europe need Russia oil Wich is a vital means for most European countries to survive. I think we have other african countries and Asia countries that sell oil too. They can be getting oil from those countries too to boycott the Russian oil.

I think it will be challenging for Europe to find an alternative source and seller of oil to them given that majority of the supplies really come from Russia. It will be hard to scout a country to offer such because oil is a natural resource which is only abundant in specific areas just like Russia and middle east. Perhaps they could find one but the price and transportation fees won't be the same just like what Russia offers.

The current conflict is still one of the main reasons why oil's price is continuously increasing. Majority of the world is affected and hopefully it won't be that long because every commodities and services are now also increasing in price which results to fewer things to be availed with the same amount of salary received.
The oil and gas disaster which has been created in the world has left us in the middle of nowhere.
The sensation over sanctioned by EU to please USA has now left us in so much trouble - on the other side IMF is asking to increase prices and put more burden on the people. There is hue and cry everywhere.
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