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Topic: Why are drugs bad? Is Marijuana killing me slowly? (whatever goes) - page 3. (Read 8024 times)

legendary
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You cannot kill love
First of all, it's a poor argument to suggest that just because some things that are more dangerous than pot are legal (e.g. alcohol) then pot should be legal too.

Second, yes, weed is addictive.  Saying something is "psychologically addictive" but not "physically addictive" is a employing a false dichotomy.  When a person uses any drug linked to dopamine transmission, that person's body will become less efficient at transmitting dopamine over time.  Basically, the body says, "I'm going on vacation!  I don't need to work anymore because something else is doing the work for me!"  So, the body gets lazy.  When that same person stops smoking weed, the body must relearn how to be as efficient as it once was.

Third, the effects of weed over time are subtle but they accumulate.  It's a poor argument to say, "Look!  I've smoked pot for 10+ years and I'm fine!  Obviously pot isn't that bad!"  It's a poor argument because you don't have anything to compare it to.  If you didn't smoke those 10+ years, who knows how much better off you would be?


Then everything is psychologically addictive, in that case.

What about those that wouldn't have made it this far in life without weed?  How much worse off would they be?


1)  Not sure how "then everything is psychologically addictive" is a defense.  That's similar to the "but other, more harmful drugs are legal!" defense.  We're not talking about everything else, we're talking about pot.

2)  If you need pot to "make it this far in life," then you sound pretty weak.  I'm not saying pot doesn't have any positive aspects, and I understand that pot can be a used for creative, spiritual, and even social means.  I don't deny this at all.  But in this way, pot is like baby food.  You can smoke pot for a little while so that you can begin to see the world in a different way.  But, if you're smart, you'll learn how it's possible to view the world in the same way without pot afterwards.  Once you're all grown up you don't need baby food anymore.  Now, if you have glaucoma or are going through chemotherapy, then pot can obviously be beneficial. 

Consider mushrooms or LSD, both of which are even less addictive than pot (though more dangerous in other aspects).  Anybody who has tried these substances at least once will likely tell you that it had a profound impact on their lives, and usually for the better.  But does that mean you need to keep consuming mushrooms or LSD?  No.  You caught a glimpse of a profoundly different perspective, and now you can implement what you've learned into your sober life.
I'm saying weed got me through a time of depression, I'm not saying I depend on it now to function.  I hardly smoke anymore.  That does not make me weak, what does not kill us only makes us stronger.

It doesn't mean you can't continue to explore your mind either.
sr. member
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That's completely correct. But cutting off a market because they smell horrible, act stupid, and are addicted is an excellent business decision.

Dealing with stupid people is always unpleasant. How do you tell how someone smells across the net?
legendary
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Sure, go ahead and smoke, smell like a retard, act like a pothead, and lose your sense of life. It's your choice. But don't expect to do business with me.

Cutting off or alienating a market just because you disagree with someone's life choices isn't a good business decision. 
That's completely correct. But cutting off a market because they smell horrible, act stupid, and are addicted is an excellent business decision.
sr. member
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Sure, go ahead and smoke, smell like a retard, act like a pothead, and lose your sense of life. It's your choice. But don't expect to do business with me.

Cutting off or alienating a market just because you disagree with someone's life choices isn't a good business decision. 
hero member
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Ive been (legally) smoking high grade marijuana on a daily basis for a few years now. I have a great job and family, and my health is immaculate (just had my physical). I'm in better shape at 32 than I was at 18 fresh out of basic training. I even quit smoking cigarettes, started working out heavily, and cut my drinking down to an almost nonexistant level after I got my licence.

So no. I'm gonna say your not killing yourself. Not saying I'm the norm, but it certainly hasn't been detrimental to my life.
legendary
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Yes, marijuana is killing you slowly.

I have no respect for alcoholics, tobacco smokers, or marijuana addicts, unless it is a medicinal use. This goes for people on other unnecessary drugs. I have negative respect for smokers of anything who do it in public and announce their fumes to every innocent person nearby. Smoke on your property and ensure no fumes reach others, and I won't complain (I'll still denounce you though).

I don't approve of restriction of drugs, but banning of public pollution is absolutely necessary.

That one remark at the end just rendered everything else you said absolutely useless.
Sure, go ahead and smoke, smell like a retard, act like a pothead, and lose your sense of life. It's your choice. But don't expect to do business with me.
sr. member
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Yes, marijuana is killing you slowly.

I have no respect for alcoholics, tobacco smokers, or marijuana addicts, unless it is a medicinal use. This goes for people on other unnecessary drugs. I have negative respect for smokers of anything who do it in public and announce their fumes to every innocent person nearby. Smoke on your property and ensure no fumes reach others, and I won't complain (I'll still denounce you though).

I don't approve of restriction of drugs, but banning of public pollution is absolutely necessary.

That one remark at the end just rendered everything else you said absolutely useless.

sr. member
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Is Marijuana killing me slowly?

YES!

That's why I'm offering a unique service. SEND ME ALL YOUR WEED. It's really bad for everyone and I know how to safely get rid of it.
legendary
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First of all, it's a poor argument to suggest that just because some things that are more dangerous than pot are legal (e.g. alcohol) then pot should be legal too.

Second, yes, weed is addictive.  Saying something is "psychologically addictive" but not "physically addictive" is a employing a false dichotomy.  When a person uses any drug linked to dopamine transmission, that person's body will become less efficient at transmitting dopamine over time.  Basically, the body says, "I'm going on vacation!  I don't need to work anymore because something else is doing the work for me!"  So, the body gets lazy.  When that same person stops smoking weed, the body must relearn how to be as efficient as it once was.

Third, the effects of weed over time are subtle but they accumulate.  It's a poor argument to say, "Look!  I've smoked pot for 10+ years and I'm fine!  Obviously pot isn't that bad!"  It's a poor argument because you don't have anything to compare it to.  If you didn't smoke those 10+ years, who knows how much better off you would be?


Then everything is psychologically addictive, in that case.

What about those that wouldn't have made it this far in life without weed?  How much worse off would they be?


1)  Not sure how "then everything is psychologically addictive" is a defense.  That's similar to the "but other, more harmful drugs are legal!" defense.  We're not talking about everything else, we're talking about pot.

2)  If you need pot to "make it this far in life," then you sound pretty weak.  I'm not saying pot doesn't have any positive aspects, and I understand that pot can be a used for creative, spiritual, and even social means.  I don't deny this at all.  But in this way, pot is like baby food.  You can smoke pot for a little while so that you can begin to see the world in a different way.  But, if you're smart, you'll learn how it's possible to view the world in the same way without pot afterwards.  Once you're all grown up you don't need baby food anymore.  Now, if you have glaucoma or are going through chemotherapy, then pot can obviously be beneficial. 

Consider mushrooms or LSD, both of which are even less addictive than pot (though more dangerous in other aspects).  Anybody who has tried these substances at least once will likely tell you that it had a profound impact on their lives, and usually for the better.  But does that mean you need to keep consuming mushrooms or LSD?  No.  You caught a glimpse of a profoundly different perspective, and now you can implement what you've learned into your sober life.

legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
You cannot kill love
First of all, it's a poor argument to suggest that just because some things that are more dangerous than pot are legal (e.g. alcohol) then pot should be legal too.

Second, yes, weed is addictive.  Saying something is "psychologically addictive" but not "physically addictive" is a employing a false dichotomy.  When a person uses any drug linked to dopamine transmission, that person's body will become less efficient at transmitting dopamine over time.  Basically, the body says, "I'm going on vacation!  I don't need to work anymore because something else is doing the work for me!"  So, the body gets lazy.  When that same person stops smoking weed, the body must relearn how to be as efficient as it once was.

Third, the effects of weed over time are subtle but they accumulate.  It's a poor argument to say, "Look!  I've smoked pot for 10+ years and I'm fine!  Obviously pot isn't that bad!"  It's a poor argument because you don't have anything to compare it to.  If you didn't smoke those 10+ years, who knows how much better off you would be?


Then everything is psychologically addictive, in that case.

What about those that wouldn't have made it this far in life without weed?  How much worse off would they be?
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
You cannot kill love
Other reasons pot is illegal

1)  It kills motivation and decreases ATP production over time

2)  Decreased blood flow to prefrontal cortex inhibiting personality growth, judgment, reasoning, and goal-oriented decision making

3)  Memory impairment

4)  Impaired motor coordination

5)  Sexual dysfunction over time

6)  Decreased testosterone production



Is pot as harmful as most other drugs?  No.  But it's nothing to snicker about, either.
I would love to see studies proving these.  I always here talk like this but I can't find the evidence other than "X told me this."
sr. member
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Other reasons pot is illegal

1)  It kills motivation and decreases ATP production over time

2)  Decreased blood flow to prefrontal cortex inhibiting personality growth, judgment, reasoning, and goal-oriented decision making

3)  Memory impairment

4)  Impaired motor coordination

5)  Sexual dysfunction over time

6)  Decreased testosterone production



Is pot as harmful as most other drugs?  No.  But it's nothing to snicker about, either.

If everyone followed this logic almost everything would be banned.
Caffeine based products too. It is possible to overdose with caffeine but not with marijuana (and the latter is not even addictive).

Not to mention alcohol and tobacco Smiley

Reasons why pot is banned are politically and economically motivated and they are outlined a few posts above.
There is plenty of substances that are legal or less regulated which inflict more damage to human health than marijuana.



Here's something that wouldn't get made by a US state-sponsored TV station:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRgb5coMXGk

Very, very interesting.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1020
First of all, it's a poor argument to suggest that just because some things that are more dangerous than pot are legal (e.g. alcohol) then pot should be legal too.

Second, yes, weed is addictive.  Saying something is "psychologically addictive" but not "physically addictive" is a employing a false dichotomy.  When a person uses any drug linked to dopamine transmission, that person's body will become less efficient at transmitting dopamine over time.  Basically, the body says, "I'm going on vacation!  I don't need to work anymore because something else is doing the work for me!"  So, the body gets lazy.  When that same person stops smoking weed, the body must relearn how to be as efficient as it once was.

Third, the effects of weed over time are subtle but they accumulate.  It's a poor argument to say, "Look!  I've smoked pot for 10+ years and I'm fine!  Obviously pot isn't that bad!"  It's a poor argument because you don't have anything to compare it to.  If you didn't smoke those 10+ years, who knows how much better off you would be?

hero member
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I used to smoke a lot more when I was younger...... Quarter ounce would last me maybe 2 days compared to the almost 2 weeks that it last me now...

There is a huge difference in quality now compared to 10 years ago.
sr. member
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There was a point in my life where I had to face the fact that I wasn't going to be successful in life if I continued to smoke pot. I do not know anyone who smokes pot daily who also has a successful career and a social network beyond other stoners. Correlation != causation, I know.

I know several very bright young men who started smoking pot out of the blue, who snowballed into daily users. They are no longer driven individuals and have become loners.

Call it what you want, and maybe lots of people do just fine smoking lots of weed all the time, but I've been happier, more  driven, and more social ever since I quit. I spent a lot of time telling myself that pot was totally fine, that lots of normal people do it, that it doesn't affect me that much...

But when it came down to it, I knew what I had to do to get on with my life. I also can't imagine being a very happy person if I was stoned multiple times a week.

To each his own, I suppose.
legendary
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Other reasons pot is illegal

1)  It kills motivation and decreases ATP production over time

2)  Decreased blood flow to prefrontal cortex inhibiting personality growth, judgment, reasoning, and goal-oriented decision making

3)  Memory impairment

4)  Impaired motor coordination

5)  Sexual dysfunction over time

6)  Decreased testosterone production



Is pot as harmful as most other drugs?  No.  But it's nothing to snicker about, either.

If everyone followed this logic almost everything would be banned.
Caffeine based products too. It is possible to overdose with caffeine but not with marijuana (and the latter is not even addictive).

Not to mention alcohol and tobacco Smiley

Reasons why pot is banned are politically and economically motivated and they are outlined a few posts above.
There is plenty of substances that are legal or less regulated which inflict more damage to human health than marijuana.

legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1020
Did you not just list what happens when you Age ?  Probably a lot of 50+ year old's with those issues that have never smoked before...

I said...

2.)  ....judgment, reasoning...
hero member
Activity: 1078
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Did you not just list what happens when you Age ?  Probably a lot of 50+ year old's with those issues that have never smoked before...
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1020
Other reasons pot is illegal

1)  It kills motivation and decreases ATP production over time

2)  Decreased blood flow to prefrontal cortex inhibiting personality growth, judgment, reasoning, and goal-oriented decision making

3)  Memory impairment

4)  Impaired motor coordination

5)  Sexual dysfunction over time

6)  Decreased testosterone production



Is pot as harmful as most other drugs?  No.  But it's nothing to snicker about, either.
hero member
Activity: 1078
Merit: 502
Whoever has the most money to sway government to legalize it to benefit them....
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