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Topic: Why Bitcoin is doomed to fail, and there's nothing you can do about it. - page 3. (Read 39330 times)

newbie
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I agree,

The Bitcoin/Litecoin and clone Alt Currency branches support architecture is fundamentally flawed. The block discovery difficulty and hash rate power to mine coins has increased to the point that you need a small server farm to achieve a small amount of profit.  Recent cloud farming services have moved in because they can operate more efficiently to keep mining profitable.

Lack of scalability (en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability) and future network support is Bitcoin’s and other clones “albatross around their neck.”  As of Sep 11, 2014, 13,250,900 out of the total possible 21 million Bitcoin’s are in circulation. Bitcoin’s support network is rapidly approaching a point where large scale mining will no longer be profitable.  You don’t need to be an economist to realize that when doing something is not profitable, people stop doing it. 

After coin mining is no longer profitable, the support networks processing power will shrink and verifying huge block chains will take longer making it unusable as a functional daily currency.  Bitcoin could eventually become the sole digital currency (gold standard) that others are valued against.  Observing current markets, it’s well on it’s way.

NXT’s nxt.org support architecture makes more sense, it’s eco-friendly and processing power is scaleable to achieve fast block processing times. Trust, transaction speed and security are ultimately the deciding factors that will make any digital currency viable.  Depending on peoples acceptance, it’s marketplace could eventually be a serious competitor to PayPal and eBay, due to lower transaction fees.
legendary
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legendary
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LMAO bitcoin to the moon. Hey new users one of the largest exchange just stole everyones money and is bankrupt wouldn't love to accept Bitcoin.

They didn't steal it, they lost it due to incompetence.

http://cryptolife.net/today-mt-gox-died-and-it-tried-to-take-bitcoin-with-it/

 Roll Eyes

...and you believe in every word which is spoon fed to you? LoL

Just let me remind you that in the whole Bitcoin history there is not one single entity which provided evidence to prove they lost users funds to incompetence.

The "it was hacked" excuse became the standard excuse to cover up misappropriation of customers funds.

1. It wasn't hacked. It lost the money without being hacked.
2. The explanation is sound
3. If you have a better one I would like to hear it
4. Ridiculing the "opponent" and no actual counter argument is politics not debate
5. People lose money due to their incompetence all the time. They certainly don't lose money due to being hyper competent.

Mark got the coins.
Stop making a fool of yourself.
"Geekness Greedness made me flew to Japan" Wink
full member
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LMAO bitcoin to the moon. Hey new users one of the largest exchange just stole everyones money and is bankrupt wouldn't love to accept Bitcoin.

They didn't steal it, they lost it due to incompetence.

http://cryptolife.net/today-mt-gox-died-and-it-tried-to-take-bitcoin-with-it/

 Roll Eyes

...and you believe in every word which is spoon fed to you? LoL

Just let me remind you that in the whole Bitcoin history there is not one single entity which provided evidence to prove they lost users funds to incompetence.

The "it was hacked" excuse became the standard excuse to cover up misappropriation of customers funds.

1. It wasn't hacked. It lost the money without being hacked.
2. The explanation is sound
3. If you have a better one I would like to hear it
4. Ridiculing the "opponent" and no actual counter argument is politics not debate
5. People lose money due to their incompetence all the time. They certainly don't lose money due to being hyper competent.
newbie
Activity: 23
Merit: 0
Why this thread is doomed to fail.

1. Curious Misspellings


Bitcoin can barley handle a few hundred thousand transactions a day, what happens if the transactions grow to 10 Million, 50 Million, 100 Million which are all still relativity small transaction numbers compared to the 6 Billion people in the world. It simply can't handle it.



Secondly,  it can barley handle 100k transactions in a day without bogging down. Imagine if it's doing fiat numbers for transactions, Bitcoin would destroy itself.


2. Random Capitalization

JohnyBigs:

"Yes let's hear the Credit Cards take 180 day confirms."
"Should I play some Board Games?"
"... will point out Hard Drives will keep up!!!"


MikeyVeez:

"The Government"
"And no Banks at first"
"...they are still centralized by Oracles of the world."

3. Phrasing Choices

JohnyBigs:

"...because of reason #1."

MikeyVeez:

"Reason #1 is already coming into fruitition..."


4. Username

Note the similarities between the usernames JohnyBigs and MikeyVeez (syllable count, "type" of name, etc.)

Also, the usernames were created within days of one another, and both reside in the same time zone.

5. Anger Management

The similarities of the overall writing style and tone between the two users are exceedingly clear. No direct quotes are even necessary, just choose 1 post from each and observe the anger.

5. Conclusion

JohnyBigs = MikeyVeez = troll.

I'm sure some of us (myself included) are wondering how you got to be this way. It takes quite a lot of unmanaged emotion to claim that "digital currency in general has a sinister purpose." Were you recently burned by a bitcoin transaction? Did you have some coins on Mt. Gox?

Or perhaps the wound is deeper? Recent breakup with a significant other? Is your family life doing alright?

It takes a lot of anger, at both yourself and at others, to be the way you are. I wish you the best.
full member
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CLOAKCOIN. NOBLECOIN. VERICOIN.
https://mobile.twitter.com/coindesk/status/439687819309494272

Singapore debuts bitcoin atm..

Trying to post on a smartphone is frustrating! !



sr. member
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Sentinel
It will be interesting if these events place BTC close enough to cause a spiral of effects (valuation -> mining hardware prices -> mining in general) that could lead to some form of reset (dropback of BTC valuation/usage) like we've seen a few times in the past.

On the positive side, if the Gox events were caused by classic theft motives, I see no reason the valuation in general shouldn't rebound after a classic overshoot and finding a new bottom. After that, the potential for slow re-growth exists as usual.

So far, global hashing power seems mostly unaffected (still grows with >1%/day). But should hashing power start and keep (or even accelerate) declining, then I'd look out below on valuation. Right now, seems a bit unlikely though, despite Gox being quite a big singularity.
member
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If your board go play some video games.

I think he is a human being, not a board
newbie
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Wellif you examine the block chain you can see the attacks that were being made against mt gox.  I watched it happen from my blockchain.info account where they know what they're doing. 

The reason "they" can't shut down bitcoin is because it is decentralized.  The government won't round up all the bitcoin mioners and put them into concentration camps.

Also, no one has mentioned that a mature bitcoin has a very good chance of bringing additional stability to the global economy, imagine SDR's but for people, not just central banks and nation-states, but free of corruption, an incorruptible store of value, and a huge boon to those in the third world who will finally have access to investment capital and a safe, stable currency that isn't run by a war-lord, and inflated away every time he starts a blood feud with another tribe.

I think we can all agree that bitcoin will change the world like the revolutionary innovation that it is, or it will crash and burn cause it's a flawd concept hyped by some tech nerds who don't truly understand economics and monetary theory.
legendary
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LMAO bitcoin to the moon. Hey new users one of the largest exchange just stole everyones money and is bankrupt wouldn't love to accept Bitcoin.

They didn't steal it, they lost it due to incompetence.

http://cryptolife.net/today-mt-gox-died-and-it-tried-to-take-bitcoin-with-it/

 Roll Eyes

...and you believe in every word which is spoon fed to you? LoL

Just let me remind you that in the whole Bitcoin history there is not one single entity which provided evidence to prove they lost users funds to incompetence.

The "it was hacked" excuse became the standard excuse to cover up misappropriation of customers funds.

and it surely wont be the last one.
vip
Activity: 756
Merit: 504
LMAO bitcoin to the moon. Hey new users one of the largest exchange just stole everyones money and is bankrupt wouldn't love to accept Bitcoin.

They didn't steal it, they lost it due to incompetence.

http://cryptolife.net/today-mt-gox-died-and-it-tried-to-take-bitcoin-with-it/

 Roll Eyes

...and you believe in every word which is spoon fed to you? LoL

Just let me remind you that in the whole Bitcoin history there is not one single entity which provided evidence to prove they lost users funds to incompetence.

The "it was hacked" excuse became the standard excuse to cover up misappropriation of customers funds.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
LMAO bitcoin to the moon. Hey new users one of the largest exchange just stole everyones money and is bankrupt wouldn't love to accept Bitcoin.

They didn't steal it, they lost it due to incompetence.

http://cryptolife.net/today-mt-gox-died-and-it-tried-to-take-bitcoin-with-it/

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It’s been long known that Gox is incapable of fulfilling all their USD debts ever since their main bank account was seized. On this front, they have been operating as a psuedo ponzi scheme, where new money would pay off old money. There’s been a lot of debate lately whether or not Gox had the BTC on hand to pay off all their debts, and if you read between the lines, this press release confirms that they do not. Make no mistake about it: Mt Gox is likely insolvent in BTC as well.

How, you ask? The fact that they’re complaining about this one (non)issue in particular is very telling. Since their system ran off transaction IDs, they’ve been vulnerable to attacks involving transaction malleability for god knows how long. The attack is simple: Intercept their original transaction, alter the hash of it, and rebroadcast the new transaction. If the altered transaction gets accepted into a block, you have your BTC, but it’s still marked as unreceived within the Gox system. You can then complain to support that you never got your BTC. Support would search by TXID, see that their original transaction is not included in the blockchain, and then credit your account. Congratulations, you just doubled your BTC! This is similar to how a double spend is done, but magnitudes easier to pull off.
full member
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LMAO bitcoin to the moon. Hey new users one of the largest exchange just stole everyones money and is bankrupt wouldn't love to accept Bitcoin.
hero member
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I got Satoshi's avatar!
1. IT'S A DECENTRALIZED CURRENCY
blah, blah, blah

Reason 1 is flawed for two reasons...

1990 - internet infrastructure could not accommodate for such a movement, plus secondly global penetration of the world wide web was a fraction of today..... according to your theory this would mean that Libya would still be under the regime of  Gadafi..... but correct me if I am mistaken, it was the masses that overthrew him....

Should the European banks approve and try to centralise BC, then it simplz validates, recognises and approved the cryptocurrency

And if we look deeper into history we find the fact that every movement that has gained traction sooner or later occupies the mainstream territory.  This indicates the fact the since BC is growing in popularity day in day out...it will be here for a long time....

The question remains.... what is the fair value of BC.

Finance claims that the recent value is driven by speculation hence the current high value.  If we believe the the speculative bubble stage theory, then we could assume BC to reach a fair market value of somewhere between 120 USD to 150 USD .

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jessecolombo/files/2014/02/stages_bubble.png
That all depends on resolution/scale of the graph and how long it goes off on the left of the screen... we could still be in the stealth phase... or gox just dropped us in the bear trap!

Indeed, but that being said, assuming we are in the bear trap, it still indicates that the currency has longevity and that the real value is much lower than today.....BUT it still has a monetary value.... :-)
So when the graph ends, that's it? That's the price till the end of time? I see slope on that graph. Is the red line going to do a 45o turn a run along the mean? Or perhaps after that bubble, the next one starts and up and up it goes... it's only a graph and it's grossly simplified and very generalized.

TBH after the end of the graph I think the red line goes... TO THE MOON Cheesy
newbie
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1. IT'S A DECENTRALIZED CURRENCY
blah, blah, blah

Reason 1 is flawed for two reasons...

1990 - internet infrastructure could not accommodate for such a movement, plus secondly global penetration of the world wide web was a fraction of today..... according to your theory this would mean that Libya would still be under the regime of  Gadafi..... but correct me if I am mistaken, it was the masses that overthrew him....

Should the European banks approve and try to centralise BC, then it simplz validates, recognises and approved the cryptocurrency

And if we look deeper into history we find the fact that every movement that has gained traction sooner or later occupies the mainstream territory.  This indicates the fact the since BC is growing in popularity day in day out...it will be here for a long time....

The question remains.... what is the fair value of BC.

Finance claims that the recent value is driven by speculation hence the current high value.  If we believe the the speculative bubble stage theory, then we could assume BC to reach a fair market value of somewhere between 120 USD to 150 USD .

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jessecolombo/files/2014/02/stages_bubble.png
That all depends on resolution/scale of the graph and how long it goes off on the left of the screen... we could still be in the stealth phase... or gox just dropped us in the bear trap!

Indeed, but that being said, assuming we are in the bear trap, it still indicates that the currency has longevity and that the real value is much lower than today.....BUT it still has a monetary value.... :-)
hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
I got Satoshi's avatar!
1. IT'S A DECENTRALIZED CURRENCY
blah, blah, blah

Reason 1 is flawed for two reasons...

1990 - internet infrastructure could not accommodate for such a movement, plus secondly global penetration of the world wide web was a fraction of today..... according to your theory this would mean that Libya would still be under the regime of  Gadafi..... but correct me if I am mistaken, it was the masses that overthrew him....

Should the European banks approve and try to centralise BC, then it simplz validates, recognises and approved the cryptocurrency

And if we look deeper into history we find the fact that every movement that has gained traction sooner or later occupies the mainstream territory.  This indicates the fact the since BC is growing in popularity day in day out...it will be here for a long time....

The question remains.... what is the fair value of BC.

Finance claims that the recent value is driven by speculation hence the current high value.  If we believe the the speculative bubble stage theory, then we could assume BC to reach a fair market value of somewhere between 120 USD to 150 USD .

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jessecolombo/files/2014/02/stages_bubble.png
That all depends on resolution/scale of the graph and how long it goes off on the left of the screen... we could still be in the stealth phase... or gox just dropped us in the bear trap!
newbie
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legendary
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Read my EDITED COmment above ^^^

just chill out bud, changes take time. it already reached 1200$ once so it is likely it will again soon or later.
sr. member
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Read my EDITED COmment above ^^^
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