Why bitcoiners are not friendly physical?

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Quote from: Zanab247 on February 04, 2023, 09:22:56 AM

Are they ashame to be a bitcoiners? or they are among the people that think Bitcoin is a scam?
Why Bitcoin users are afraid of see each other physical?

Nope, it's nothing of the first two questions there but it could fall into the third question. I used the would could because it can either of these two issues I will list.

The first is the way privacy is sermonized a lot when it comes to Bitcoin. It used to astound me when I started why those who were engaged in Bitcoin couldn't create time to meet and greet others within their vicinity apart from those they brought here or those who introduced them to this forum.

The second reason could be that most Bitcoiners are used to doing things online, their transactions and all that and will more likely feel it will be a waste of time meeting offline since they can easily achieve the same dialogue/conversations online. For instance, I find it very convenient doing my stuff from any space I find myself. I just get on my device and peruse straight away. I could even be on transit and still get something done. I believe it's same for many here.

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Quote from: summonerrk on February 14, 2023, 09:08:46 AM

I think everyone will agree that it is very useful to have a friend who is also involved in the topic of Cryptocurrencies. I am sure that for all the time there are cases when people communicate on forums and become really good friends, finding new interests. And listen to each other's opinions. Therefore, I will assume that sometimes you can find a good friend in the mine of cryptocurrencies, after which it is possible that friendship is already in real life. If their locations are not too far away.

Are you implying we should all throw away our privacy and see who matches up with our locality in the name of finding a crypto friend here, I don't think so...

Anyway I think the forum is a match maker naturally as it has provided a platform to find other people of our native language by adding local boards and for people that need help or something in IRL they have used these channels to reach out and its voluntary not a coerced undertaking .

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Quote from: Woodie on February 13, 2023, 03:58:46 PM

Quote from: Zanab247 on February 04, 2023, 09:22:56 AM

I was very happy to joined bitcointalk. org November 7 2020, but I came to discovered one thing in the community that is making me wondering, if bitcoiners don't trust themselves by seeing themselves face to face like the way church members or Muslim members love themselves by seeing themselves face to face after the service.

Cryptocurrencies were designed in such a way that people can remain anonymous while using the coins to pay for good and services without giving up your identity. But going the extra mile having to meet people in the name of bitcoin is a personal choice, and for one's safety it's best to protect your yourself by not meeting anybody face to face unless you are comfortable with it .

Quote from: Zanab247 on February 04, 2023, 09:22:56 AM

Going to three years now, am trying to see some of the bitcoiners in my area to discuss with them how to join hands together to promote Bitcoin in the society but they said they prefer discussing it online than see each other physical.

The easiest way to meet bitcoin users is to find companies that are providing crypto services and if they advertise for a meet up then you get to see locals involved in crypto.

Quote from: Zanab247 on February 04, 2023, 09:22:56 AM

Are they ashame to be a bitcoiners? or they are among the people that think Bitcoin is a scam?
Why Bitcoin users are afraid of see each other physical?

Many reasons, maybe they don't want to be stalked by others, avoiding the government money who might be interested in knowing if they pay up their tax and plenty other reasons.

I think everyone will agree that it is very useful to have a friend who is also involved in the topic of Cryptocurrencies. I am sure that for all the time there are cases when people communicate on forums and become really good friends, finding new interests. And listen to each other's opinions. Therefore, I will assume that sometimes you can find a good friend in the mine of cryptocurrencies, after which it is possible that friendship is already in real life. If their locations are not too far away.

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Quote from: worle1bm on February 13, 2023, 12:37:19 AM

Quote from: Wapfika on February 04, 2023, 09:35:59 AM

Do you even understand the whole point of Bitcoin before you do such move? Clearly you don’t that Bitcoin main goal is a full privacy for finances. Bitcoin is decentralized and it doesn’t need our full details to process our transaction so government can’t watch us. Why the heck people that advocates privacy will be willing to meetup others while they can do all the conversation anonymously on forum like Bitcointalk.org.

The bitcoin transactions are not anonymous and they can track you as all records are maintained on blockchain which is why people use mixing service to cove their digital footprints or if you are using exchange for KYC then government can easily track you but yes on forum you can have your privacy maintained in good manner.

It is not anonymous because it will help to trace transactions so that there will be no atom of lies so that the network will look very frank and on point. There are many projects these days that have go for a secret transactions so that it will be very hard to trace. They claim to have anonymous transactions so that no one can know who you are and from where the transaction takes place.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on February 13, 2023, 12:17:02 AM

So let's say introverted people? They can't talk much face-to-face, but online they can talk a lot. Though I haven't experienced this kind of meet-up, for sure most of us are shy at first because even though we know each other online, face-to-face is different, but still, there are people who want to meet up physically, and there are also people who want to meet up online. Whatever the reason, the goal is the same: to discuss bitcoin, have fun, and also the plans of oneself about bitcoin.

As an introvert I can say that I can talk face-to-face a lot, I just need to have a rest a lot after. Roll Eyes

So no I mean you think about what you talk more if you see someone in front of you: anyone can follow you if they'll think something wrong and criminals can visit bitcoin meetings purposefully.

Quote from: Ayers on February 13, 2023, 04:02:48 AM

This not only happens when you own bitcoin, if you have a lot of money and brag, you will also still be attacked by robbers. In this case, I find bitcoin more secure, I don't think the robbers know about bitcoin. They are addicts, I don't believe they take the trouble to update technology news daily to serve their theft. The area I live in has never heard of any bitcoin-related robbery, what they need is cash, phone, gold...I also don't like talking about bitcoin in public, simply because I like it private.

Yes, problems happen not with bitcoin holders only, but there are several things why we should be at least not less cautious: first bitcoin transactions are irrevocable so criminals expect we won't return anything; second criminals expect we will have problems with proving that we owned those assets they steal and so they expect that in less cases bitcoin holder will visit police. So IMO we should be more cautious then by default.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on February 13, 2023, 12:24:57 PM

Quote from: summonerrk on February 13, 2023, 12:09:11 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 12, 2023, 02:27:48 PM

^^^ But that's the point. You can't easily steal someone else's bitcoins, even if you shoot the guy dead.

In Bitcoin meetings, nobody has to tell anybody about the intricate details of how many bitcoins they have. In fact, nobody expects anybody to tell this stuff. All they would be doing is one-on-one discussing about bitcoin strategies, and general strategies for financial planning.

Church meetings do similar things, without people always being forced to divulge the intricacies of their family life (their bitcoin passwords).

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You can't show anyone the balance of your application where you keep the balance of cryptocurrencies, even to friends. Of course, it is impossible to talk about specific amounts with strangers - even if only you have the password to your wallet, but for a lot of money people can harm you. You will easily find stories where Bitcoin millionaires were tortured, kidnapped, and the like. It is better to keep a distance, and limit communication via the Internet.

Also, mostly those hackers, if they find out that you have that huge amount of bitcoin, they will start to hunt you, and you are the target until you get baited, no matter how cautious you are. That is why it is better to keep it secret, but I think there is no one boasting about their holdings if it is true. Even I won't be saying anything about my holdings to strangers, even if it is in the bitcoin community, as it is for our safety. Stay lowkey, and you'll be safe for sure.

Stay lowkey and be humble and dont boast up your current holdings and assets because we do know that hackers and criminals are everywhere.If you dont like for yourself to be that putting in danger then its better to shut up your mouth and continue on what you are doing.Its better to be silent but you do have tons of money or on what ways you are getting some income.It isnt really that shocking that people would really be that
cautious when it comes into their identity since we do know on what would be the risk and we do know on how people would be taking up some advantage into those opportunities just to scam out people
or do really make out that advantage.

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Quote from: Zanab247 on February 04, 2023, 09:22:56 AM

I was very happy to joined bitcointalk. org November 7 2020, but I came to discovered one thing in the community that is making me wondering, if bitcoiners don't trust themselves by seeing themselves face to face like the way church members or Muslim members love themselves by seeing themselves face to face after the service.

Cryptocurrencies were designed in such a way that people can remain anonymous while using the coins to pay for good and services without giving up your identity. But going the extra mile having to meet people in the name of bitcoin is a personal choice, and for one's safety it's best to protect your yourself by not meeting anybody face to face unless you are comfortable with it .

Quote from: Zanab247 on February 04, 2023, 09:22:56 AM

Going to three years now, am trying to see some of the bitcoiners in my area to discuss with them how to join hands together to promote Bitcoin in the society but they said they prefer discussing it online than see each other physical.

The easiest way to meet bitcoin users is to find companies that are providing crypto services and if they advertise for a meet up then you get to see locals involved in crypto.

Quote from: Zanab247 on February 04, 2023, 09:22:56 AM

Are they ashame to be a bitcoiners? or they are among the people that think Bitcoin is a scam?
Why Bitcoin users are afraid of see each other physical?

Many reasons, maybe they don't want to be stalked by others, avoiding the government money who might be interested in knowing if they pay up their tax and plenty other reasons.

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Quote from: bmwister on February 13, 2023, 03:53:25 AM

I don't think it depends on whether people are friendly or not. Sometimes, people want to enjoy being alone and don't want to leave the house. In this case, it is easier for them to discuss everything online.
And there are people who don't want to share their opinions about Bitcoin at all, and it's easier to refuse something or discuss it online.
In fact, there can be many reasons. Do not rush to make any conclusions.

When a trade deals with you from inside you won't be friendly outside even when you force yourself to be happy and forget about it,
This most of them are also used to been alone with their phone , so you been alone with your phone will make you loose Interest in people to and extent and if not corrected you might not be a friendly person,
Bitcoiners are readers and readers don't really talk much or associate much with people because they are always thinking about something anytime you see them.

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Quote from: summonerrk on February 13, 2023, 12:09:11 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 12, 2023, 02:27:48 PM

^^^ But that's the point. You can't easily steal someone else's bitcoins, even if you shoot the guy dead.

In Bitcoin meetings, nobody has to tell anybody about the intricate details of how many bitcoins they have. In fact, nobody expects anybody to tell this stuff. All they would be doing is one-on-one discussing about bitcoin strategies, and general strategies for financial planning.

Church meetings do similar things, without people always being forced to divulge the intricacies of their family life (their bitcoin passwords).

Cool

You can't show anyone the balance of your application where you keep the balance of cryptocurrencies, even to friends. Of course, it is impossible to talk about specific amounts with strangers - even if only you have the password to your wallet, but for a lot of money people can harm you. You will easily find stories where Bitcoin millionaires were tortured, kidnapped, and the like. It is better to keep a distance, and limit communication via the Internet.

Also, mostly those hackers, if they find out that you have that huge amount of bitcoin, they will start to hunt you, and you are the target until you get baited, no matter how cautious you are. That is why it is better to keep it secret, but I think there is no one boasting about their holdings if it is true. Even I won't be saying anything about my holdings to strangers, even if it is in the bitcoin community, as it is for our safety. Stay lowkey, and you'll be safe for sure.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 12, 2023, 02:27:48 PM

^^^ But that's the point. You can't easily steal someone else's bitcoins, even if you shoot the guy dead.

In Bitcoin meetings, nobody has to tell anybody about the intricate details of how many bitcoins they have. In fact, nobody expects anybody to tell this stuff. All they would be doing is one-on-one discussing about bitcoin strategies, and general strategies for financial planning.

Church meetings do similar things, without people always being forced to divulge the intricacies of their family life (their bitcoin passwords).

Cool

You can't show anyone the balance of your application where you keep the balance of cryptocurrencies, even to friends. Of course, it is impossible to talk about specific amounts with strangers - even if only you have the password to your wallet, but for a lot of money people can harm you. You will easily find stories where Bitcoin millionaires were tortured, kidnapped, and the like. It is better to keep a distance, and limit communication via the Internet.

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Quote from: jokers10 on February 12, 2023, 11:24:53 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 12, 2023, 02:27:48 PM

^^^ But that's the point. You can't easily steal someone else's bitcoins, even if you shoot the guy dead.
...

But well we know that there are cases with torturing to get bitcoins. And unfortunately no one knows that you don't have millions, they will torture for long expecting to get sometimes even what you don't have. So I'd prefer that others know that I don't have that much! But if I will go to the meetings just to say that I'm a beggar that would be suspicious: who will believe the one attending bitcoin meetings and saying he has nothing? Grin

This not only happens when you own bitcoin, if you have a lot of money and brag, you will also still be attacked by robbers. In this case, I find bitcoin more secure, I don't think the robbers know about bitcoin. They are addicts, I don't believe they take the trouble to update technology news daily to serve their theft. The area I live in has never heard of any bitcoin-related robbery, what they need is cash, phone, gold...I also don't like talking about bitcoin in public, simply because I like it private.

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I don't think it depends on whether people are friendly or not. Sometimes, people want to enjoy being alone and don't want to leave the house. In this case, it is easier for them to discuss everything online.
And there are people who don't want to share their opinions about Bitcoin at all, and it's easier to refuse something or discuss it online.
In fact, there can be many reasons. Do not rush to make any conclusions.

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Quote from: jokers10 on February 12, 2023, 11:24:53 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 12, 2023, 02:27:48 PM

^^^ But that's the point. You can't easily steal someone else's bitcoins, even if you shoot the guy dead.
...

But well we know that there are cases with torturing to get bitcoins. And unfortunately no one knows that you don't have millions, they will torture for long expecting to get sometimes even what you don't have. So I'd prefer that others know that I don't have that much! But if I will go to the meetings just to say that I'm a beggar that would be suspicious: who will believe the one attending bitcoin meetings and saying he has nothing? Grin

There are definitely cases in which bitcoin holders were targeted for their bitcoin holdings. That's why in my opinion, it’s never safe to disclose your finances or your exact bitcoin holdings to anyone so someone out there won’t be motivated to come and try to get their hands on my finances.
If at any point in time, I’m invited to go for a Bitcoin conference or a meeting of some sort, I wouldn’t disclose my finances to anyone. I’ll probably come on as a newbie with no investment but eager to learn. It’s better and safer to keep everyone guessing.

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Quote from: Wapfika on February 04, 2023, 09:35:59 AM

Do you even understand the whole point of Bitcoin before you do such move? Clearly you don’t that Bitcoin main goal is a full privacy for finances. Bitcoin is decentralized and it doesn’t need our full details to process our transaction so government can’t watch us. Why the heck people that advocates privacy will be willing to meetup others while they can do all the conversation anonymously on forum like Bitcointalk.org.

The bitcoin transactions are not anonymous and they can track you as all records are maintained on blockchain which is why people use mixing service to cove their digital footprints or if you are using exchange for KYC then government can easily track you but yes on forum you can have your privacy maintained in good manner.

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Quote from: jokers10 on February 12, 2023, 12:24:00 PM

Quote from: sad-error on February 12, 2023, 10:58:41 AM

I don't think it's true that bitcoiners don't like meeting face to face. There are weekly meetups (of ~10-20 people) in the city I live in - however from my personal experience with these, it's just a giant circlejerk, there's no added value from those conversations. Every meaningful discussion happens online, imho.

Well we all have fun different ways and to meet to discuss an interesting topic has no less sense than lots of other forms of entertainment. But in offline meetings most would hardly say something exact because it can be unsafe, so I guess main topics would be abstract. And anyway IMO it is good to meet, to know that bitcoin becomes more popular, etc.

So let's say introverted people? They can't talk much face-to-face, but online they can talk a lot. Though I haven't experienced this kind of meet-up, for sure most of us are shy at first because even though we know each other online, face-to-face is different, but still, there are people who want to meet up physically, and there are also people who want to meet up online. Whatever the reason, the goal is the same: to discuss bitcoin, have fun, and also the plans of oneself about bitcoin.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 12, 2023, 02:27:48 PM

^^^ But that's the point. You can't easily steal someone else's bitcoins, even if you shoot the guy dead.
...

But well we know that there are cases with torturing to get bitcoins. And unfortunately no one knows that you don't have millions, they will torture for long expecting to get sometimes even what you don't have. So I'd prefer that others know that I don't have that much! But if I will go to the meetings just to say that I'm a beggar that would be suspicious: who will believe the one attending bitcoin meetings and saying he has nothing? Grin

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^^^ But that's the point. You can't easily steal someone else's bitcoins, even if you shoot the guy dead.

In Bitcoin meetings, nobody has to tell anybody about the intricate details of how many bitcoins they have. In fact, nobody expects anybody to tell this stuff. All they would be doing is one-on-one discussing about bitcoin strategies, and general strategies for financial planning.

Church meetings do similar things, without people always being forced to divulge the intricacies of their family life (their bitcoin passwords).

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I'll ask you a question OP. Imagine a situation when someone asks you where you work, how much you make a month, how many savings you have and in which bank. Would you be fine answering this?
Asking people if they are bitcoiners is very similar to asking all these questions in one go because most of us self custody, so if we own bitcoin, we have it at home. It's rare for people to hold a million dollars at home, but not for bitcoiners, many of us hold large amounts of money, therefore we don't like to talk about it in public. I don't want people to get the wrong idea that I'm some money launderer with a lot of untraceable electronic currency.

When I was a kid there was a physical currency exchange near my home and one day, in the evening, the owner was closing down and leaving with a suitcase of bills. Some guys knew he was armed so they didn't bother reasoning with him, they shot him on the spot and took the money. It was much less than I have on my desktop wallet and probably 100 times less than the coins on my hardware wallet is worth.

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Quote from: sad-error on February 12, 2023, 10:58:41 AM

I don't think it's true that bitcoiners don't like meeting face to face. There are weekly meetups (of ~10-20 people) in the city I live in - however from my personal experience with these, it's just a giant circlejerk, there's no added value from those conversations. Every meaningful discussion happens online, imho.

Well we all have fun different ways and to meet to discuss an interesting topic has no less sense than lots of other forms of entertainment. But in offline meetings most would hardly say something exact because it can be unsafe, so I guess main topics would be abstract. And anyway IMO it is good to meet, to know that bitcoin becomes more popular, etc.

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OP, you should check out videos from bitcoin conferences. There's so many of them like Swan Bitcoin. Pomp is organizing a conference right now and it's free, you just have to sign yourself up.
There's a lot of people coming to these events. You probably would like it to work like a magnet that you wear a bitcoin t-shirt and random people come to say hi.

If you asked me in a public place if I hold bitcoin I would think it's some kind of a survey and be cautious. I'm friendly but there's so many scammers that you can never be sure of people's intentions.

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